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[Champion] Kayle - Page 4
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Morphx2
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so easy and you outrange his grab | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On June 11 2012 00:41 Morphx2 wrote: I tried Kayle top against a Darius so easy and you outrange his grab Ah Darius v Kayle is a really hard match up for Kayle. Sure your ult can counter his pretty well, but he doesnt even need his ult to kill you. It's like Kayle vs Pantheon but more difficult. You can only harass with Q, if you ever try to auto him you are in grab range. If he grabs you, you are now slowed and have to run your ass off. Very mana intensive matchup for Kayle which is not good because Darius doesnt use mana until he has to chain ulti's. On June 10 2012 17:54 HughMyron wrote: I play Kayle with some frequency (1500s, Solo Top, so I'm not that great), and I know I might get some flak for this, but I run a sorta weird setup. AD Marks (obvious) Flat Armor Seal (obvious) AS Glyph (compensate for Kayle's low IAS) Movespeed Quint (help kite and dodge skillshots huehue) For builds, I go 2xDBlade/Zerkers, and after that it usually depends. Against annoying dudes like Vlad I'll go for a fast Bloodthirster before PD. I usually go Zeal, then IE/PD/GA or QSS or LW/etc. Vlad is a really easy matchup. He is so weak early just start E and zone him level 1. Your ult completely negates any damage from his ult and if he doesnt troll pool your Q he cant escape without flash. | ||
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Soloside
United States1238 Posts
Boots 3 pot double dorans vamp stinger zerk greaves finish zekes or nashors tooth finish zekes or nashors Cleaver IE 40% cd gives you 100% uptime on E. Too stronk. | ||
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HughMyron
297 Posts
He got an early Wit's End though, I think that will hurt his transition to lategame. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14103 Posts
Kayles ult just has so much tactical value its incredible no one used her professionally before recently. noct, kennen morgana karthus can just dive straight into the enemy team and just be alright until the hyper carry (either full ad kayle or kog or the ad bot) gets focused so much and can win the fight in 3 seconds. Edit: Yeah wits end phantom dancer into bt and probably an ie after that. ap damage into ad damage when ad becomes better then ap. remember kayle is in the cheapest teir of champ in lol. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On June 04 2012 13:34 obesechicken13 wrote: It pretty apparent that kayle with wits end, greaves, and 2 dblades has the same dps as one with phantom dancer, greaves, and 2 dblades for 700 less gold, and has up to 48 more mr to survive a mage's burst in the midgame. https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9ekUM_l-4IzQm8xNTZpalN0WjA I'm not saying AD kayle isn't stronger late game. Just that on hit kayle has her strengths. One that shouldn't be overlooked is that most of her damage is magic. So, in other words, Wit's > PD without considering any other big items or unique effects. We all know wit's end is the most undercosted awesome OP piece of gear in the game but that doesn't really mean "onhit" kayle has certain strengths over AD kayle. Most of Kayle's damage is magic early on but building onhit doesn't do anything to scale that damage, and her ratios are terrible for actual AP stacking (Q has 1.0 AD AND AP scaling, everything else is crap). I only really build onhit Kayle in the jungle because it require less gold all around. With solo lane farm AD is just better | ||
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HughMyron
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Sermokala
United States14103 Posts
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
Damn you Dyrus! | ||
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Soloside
United States1238 Posts
On June 11 2012 09:50 Sermokala wrote: the reason why kayle is doing so good is because of her basic ability to bully out the jungler type solo tops. nerfing her damage isn't going to change that. a bunch of solo tops do just fine and I don't think she'll be nerfed. dyrus doesn't even play kayle that well/correctly imo. doubt kayle will be seeing nerfs. | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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Soloside
United States1238 Posts
On June 11 2012 13:25 Jaaaaasper wrote: Man, i had no idea that kayle had the potential to be that good, and people are saying dyrus isn't even playing her that well. I wonder how much better kayle can be played before she is nerfed and or figured out (if she is nerfed ofc) Also at the lowest price point, riot will be seeing increased sales after this. nobody gives kayle enough love. still uber underplayed at high elo imo. edit: protop: she's pretty good against riven  | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
1 d. blade, greaves, wriggles, BC, Triforce, Zeke's. Seems alright I guess. Maybe throw in a Ghostblade or something, not sure. edit: Also first time sitting down and actually watching competitive LoL play (I can play this but watching is such a bore), but really happy at the amount of Kayle usage over the weekend. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On June 12 2012 03:01 wei2coolman wrote: Though AD kayle has proven to be the best, I think Hextech gunblade first is still the superior choice in build. 2dblade->bilgewater->gunblade, just seems almost too good not to use on kayle. It probably offers more dmg with kayle, along with more utility. Maybe gunblade instead of BT? So IE+PD+Gblade+LW new core kayle items? Kayle only gets 60*.2 = 12 damage from gunblade's AP on her E with every swing and also 60*1 = 60 damage on her Q With just pure AD, she can get (pickaxe and amp tome as standards)(60/20*420/975*25=35) 35 damage on her E and 35 on her Q for the same price as the 60 AP on gunblade. So in I can't argue with the utility of gunblade though, and I can't say it's wrong to build her like that. | ||
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Berailfor
441 Posts
Also the only thing that is really OP in my opinion about Kayler is her ult. Level 6 tower dives with a good jungler is ridiculous. You can abuse the crap out of her ult tower diving after tower diving after tower diving every single time it's up. And that allows you to snowball. Sure her earlygame before 6 is fairly good too. But it isn't good enough that you can't lane against her. And junglers can cause lots of problems for her pre-6. If anything is going to be nerfed I'd think it's her ulti time because like I was saying it literally means even right at lvl 6 you aren't safe under your turret. Even if you have 80% health. And that is why Kayle is so strong. | ||
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HughMyron
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On June 11 2012 13:25 Jaaaaasper wrote: Man, i had no idea that kayle had the potential to be that good, and people are saying dyrus isn't even playing her that well. I wonder how much better kayle can be played before she is nerfed and or figured out (if she is nerfed ofc) Also at the lowest price point, riot will be seeing increased sales after this. Dyrus played her okay. He had some awful ults and his laning phases seemed kind of meh but he did okay. She won't get nerfed and she is pretty straight forward so not much to figure out. On June 12 2012 08:14 Berailfor wrote: Kayle is just such a strong champion. Wits end was only bought by Dyrus because he was against a Vladimir and there was another strong mid AP champion. So it provided lots of quality stats. All other items are also based on the game and progression of the game. If you watched Dyrus top he built his high tier items in different orders almost every game. Also the only thing that is really OP in my opinion about Kayler is her ult. Level 6 tower dives with a good jungler is ridiculous. You can abuse the crap out of her ult tower diving after tower diving after tower diving every single time it's up. And that allows you to snowball. Sure her earlygame before 6 is fairly good too. But it isn't good enough that you can't lane against her. And junglers can cause lots of problems for her pre-6. If anything is going to be nerfed I'd think it's her ulti time because like I was saying it literally means even right at lvl 6 you aren't safe under your turret. Even if you have 80% health. And that is why Kayle is so strong. I didn't like Dryus' Wriggles, 2 dblades, cleaver build. Was pretty crap and he did practically no damage that game. When he went BT -> PD it worked better for him (I think he went 2 dblades zerkers vamp BT ->PD) Her ult isn't OP, your opponents just need to play with it in mind. Her early game is more powerful than her ult so I disagree with you there. Against the popular top champions it IS good enough you can't lane against her. The jungler bit applies to every top laner in the game. If your getting camped your own team has an advantage everywhere else, and Kayle is great in small skirmishes so if your jungler counter ganks it can turn into a double kill. Her ulti time shouldn't get nerfed IMO. It is also not the reason she is so strong, I went over why I think she is. On June 12 2012 14:45 HughMyron wrote: What do people think about Kayle vs. Olaf? Early on I got kinda messed up by one because his Axe moves stupidly fast. I didn't really know what to do so I just bought lots of wards, maxed E and shoved the wave. I ended with 150 cs in 20 min, which is ok I guess. Kayle should wreck Olaf. Don't get hit by an axe, period. Harass the hell out of him early and if he ever hits an axe Q him and run away. You need to dodge the axes. They don't move that fast but if he hits 1 and is able to chain axes and true damage you will die. Just deny him early and then you can 1v1 him later. You can even get a kill before 6. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On June 12 2012 14:45 HughMyron wrote: What do people think about Kayle vs. Olaf? Early on I got kinda messed up by one because his Axe moves stupidly fast. I didn't really know what to do so I just bought lots of wards, maxed E and shoved the wave. I ended with 150 cs in 20 min, which is ok I guess. Kayle's advantage but its a total farm farm fest. You can't really kill Olaf if he's playing right and Olaf certainly can't kill you, but you can CS way easier. | ||
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