[Champion] Kayle - Page 3

On May 25 2012 05:35 storkfan wrote:
how about going back to the basics and using bt+pd for damage? i mean that is what does the most damage for the least money

On May 25 2012 05:39 greggy wrote:
This applies to jungle kayle only.
I actually toyed with fast stinger+vamp instead of full on wriggles on kayle since she wants both AS and cdr but the fact that you can't build the stinger into anything worthwhile kinda ruins that. I don't build wriggles anyway and go for zekes instead.


Malady is shockingly bad. Like, it's damage increase is not noticeable at all. Don't get it. Bloodrazor is the standard AD item against hp stacking.. but you're not AD, you're jungle.

On June 04 2012 10:33 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I used to think E added 40% of AD in damage towards your intended target. Now that I know that's not true I've been trying to stack attack speed to make use of the 60 on hit damage. I do much more damage compared to when I used to go phage first. Kayle has much more fighting ability. Still not enough IMO to fight the big bruisers like olaf toe to toe, but enough to punish them during your ult.

Wit's end, Phantom Dancer. Perhaps Madreds would be better than PDancer since I get IE so late.

On June 04 2012 11:10 Bladeorade wrote:

Sigh...

On hit/Attack Speed Kayle does a ton less damage then AD Kayle. Perhaps you cannot fight olaf toe to toe when building on hit, but AD Kayle certainly can. Your Q already allows you to kite and as long as you dodge Olaf's axes when he ults he has no chance to ever kill you. Not to mention your build makes no sense. Wits End -> PD? Why would you ever do that :/

I really think people are stuck in the past in regards to Kayle. Try out full AD like the build i describe in the OP.

On June 04 2012 11:10 Bladeorade wrote:

Sigh...

On hit/Attack Speed Kayle does a ton less damage then AD Kayle. Perhaps you cannot fight olaf toe to toe when building on hit, but AD Kayle certainly can. Your Q already allows you to kite and as long as you dodge Olaf's axes when he ults he has no chance to ever kill you. Not to mention your build makes no sense. Wits End -> PD? Why would you ever do that :/

I really think people are stuck in the past in regards to Kayle. Try out full AD like the build i describe in the OP.

On June 04 2012 13:41 Sermokala wrote:
IE/PD/LW/BT/GA/QSS

Infinity edge phantom dancer and bloodthirster I get but what are the other items there?

I've been getting roaming boots instead of as boots starting out and I'm really likeing the speed control I get rolling into other lanes.

On June 04 2012 13:34 obesechicken13 wrote:

You're so dismissive to every one of my posts.

I do try full AD kayle. It was one of the first things I tried. I like it, and I like adding some slow to it, but I feel like getting the aspd earlier is pretty big too.

Kayle's dps can be defined in a simple formula. Obviously it's not the only thing that's important, but since I like to not get hit at all by bruisers in top lane, it's sometimes useful to just bring them down as fast as possible.

Aspd * (physical_attack_damage + onhit_magic_damage)
Physical_attack_damage = (((base_damage_+rune_damage+item_damage)*crit_chance)*crit_damage+((base_damage_+rune_damage+item_damage)*(1-crit_chance)))
Base_damage = damage_at_level_0+levels*damage_increase
onhit_magic_damage=E_damage+on_hit_items_damage

This is just a listing of a bunch of variable but it's useful when trying to determine points where kayle does more damage with on hit than with AD.

It pretty apparent that kayle with
wits end, greaves, and 2 dblades has the same dps as one with
phantom dancer, greaves, and 2 dblades
for 700 less gold, and has up to 48 more mr to survive a mage's burst in the midgame.
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9ekUM_l-4IzQm8xNTZpalN0WjA

I'm not saying AD kayle isn't stronger late game. Just that on hit kayle has her strengths. One that shouldn't be overlooked is that most of her damage is magic.

On June 10 2012 01:09 sylverfyre wrote:
How are people building Kayle from the jungle? It doesn't seem like there's going to be enough gold available for AD-carry builds to be viable.

It feels like a Cleaver as a core dps item would be good for it, since you don't have to commit as much to your offensive kit. Beyond that, phage and

Thinking:
Dorans
Greaves
Cleaver
Phage (can be gotten before cleaver)
Whatever

I mean, I guess you can get an IE if you get really fed... but it feels like otherwise you'd be putzing around without your core for too long.

Avarice seems not awful either, ghostblade isn't bad. (Or does it no longer extend duration when you have your E on?) The CDR helps you keep E up in addition to the stats being pretty decent for you.

On June 10 2012 05:16 Bladeorade wrote:
What level are you playing at?

Under "what to do" when pushed to tower you should including diving as Kayle. It's really easy to poke and secure kills when they are under tower. If you really want to do this Malady build you should consider sorc boots.

I really don't understand what you have against AD Kayle lol.

Do not buy boots of swiftness on Kayle, Ghostblade does not extend duration with her E on.

That build you said you do out of jungle is exactly what I recommended earlier in this thread. Zerkers - 2 dorans - Cleaver - Phage. Cleaver is the best BFS item out of jungle as it costs the least and you get more bang for your buck faster. You just will not scale as well into late game.