EPTi havnt seen a good one at all, either in normal or ranked
[Champion] Vayne - Page 5
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Morphx2
147 Posts
i havnt seen a good one at all, either in normal or ranked | ||
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Soloside
United States1238 Posts
On September 03 2011 11:03 Morphx2 wrote: i bought vayne, and asking for a refund. She is just sooo bad now i havnt seen a good one at all, either in normal or ranked elo bro? taric vayne real terror bot. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 03 2011 11:03 Morphx2 wrote: i bought vayne, and asking for a refund. She is just sooo bad now i havnt seen a good one at all, either in normal or ranked What? You do realize that alongside Ashe and Cait, Vayne has been one of the most-picked carries in competitive events in the last month? | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Soloside
United States1238 Posts
On September 03 2011 11:09 NeoIllusions wrote: Vayne is still very popular. The AD that disappeared was Kennen. Fixed. lawl. | ||
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courtpanda
866 Posts
On September 03 2011 10:36 Liquid`Tyler wrote: First BF Sword item is really between BT and BC, never IE. why not IE? i never get BC, for armor pen i always go LW | ||
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NIIINO
Slovakia1320 Posts
If your opponents have a lot of HP max W and PH into BT. if they are squishy go for E with BT and BC. I think that best support is taric or ali. (when u are playing with ali try to push from the start really fast so u can get lvl2 faster and then them.) | ||
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Akash
Romania113 Posts
Why i don't like them? Because Vayne is ,if not the best,one of the best range AD carries in game. The way i play her is pure burst.The games i play her in are normal pubs or ranked 1100+ ELO,so don't think i have a really high ELO  .I go doran blade->2x Doran Blade->boots->into either boots of speed or zerkers(depending on the mood and enemy setup)->BF sword->Black Cleaver->IE (by this time pubs usually end).If not i sell 1 doran blade for Bloodthirster.If the game is not done i add Triforce followed by Last Whisper.If the game last more then 45+ min (rare case scenario) i sell boots for Phantom Dancer. I get Black Cleaver first,because if provides one of the best early dmg items.45 arp added to my 21 arp (from glyphs) ,that's 67 arp.Which is the armor of most mid game champs which didnt bought a armor item yet.I get 3 doran's blade because without them Vayne is really squishy and you will die several times.Also they provide you with 9% lifesteal which is almost what the Vamp Scepter gives you.And i keep them for a very long time and they off in the end.Sometimes i get Triforce after IE,sometimes Bloodthirster.Depends on game.Most of the times i get Bloodthirster because i sell 1 doran blade and my lifesteal drops to 6% which doesnt allows me to quickly heal after im wounded.And i can also stack the Bloodthirster pretty fast. The reason i don't rush Triforce like most players,is that is a really expensive and little result in early game.Yes ,it stacks with tumble atk dmg bonus and it has slow.But triforce is the "jack of all trades,master of none item",it provides a little of everything but doesn't greatly improves a praticular stat.But once u have Black Cleaver/IE with/without Bloodthirster ,then the Triforce really starts to shine.Now you have the dmg necessary and NOW you need the slow,not the other way around  .Most players build the slow first and the dmg later .I get Last Whisper as last item,but on rare ocassions,like the enemy team not getting armour (it happens alot on pubs),i can skip it for Phantom Dancer sometimes. As summoner abilities i get Cleanse/Flash.Why Cleanse? It frees me up from making merc threads and will SAVE your life 10k times.Vayne cannot be caught easilly without CC.The only thing that Cleanse doesn't dispel are supressions like Malz ulti or WW ulti,so look out for those. Getting away from your team and then one of those 2 ulti's on you means certain focus from enemy and death.Flash is for emergency escape once your Final Hour/Tumble combo fails (used for escaping) or Condemn failed to deter that pesky champ who wants to slow you and then ripp you a new one .I've seen Exhaust/Flash combo aswell.But Vayne is not Tristana or other AD carry.Unlike other AD carries,if a phisical melee comes to you,you're not instantly dead,you have 2 escape mechanisms .So i rather have cleanse to dispel his slow/CC so i don't get caught by the rest of the team ,then Exhausting him and trying to run away.The CC will still be there and his team will be even closer. Let me explain the reasoning behind my build.From the AD carry like Ashe/Corki/Caith/Ez and herself only Corky/Ez have long range chasing abilites (Valkyrie for Corki and the blink from Ez).Ashe,aside from arrow,if u manage to get a little range from her and your not slowed,your pretty much saved.Same goes for Caith,unless she ulti you). This is not the case with Vayne.She is a assasin/chaser.Even if he tries run a little from range ,activating your ulti (and assuming he hasn't chosen a unpredictable route in the jungle,you can pretty much catch anyone).So you need as much dmg/crit/armour penetration as possible.I don't rely much on atack speed stacking because the basic tumble/basic atack/condemn procs Silver Bolts anyway and Zerkers/Zeal(made into trifoce) gives me sufficient mid-game atack speed.I follow up with Phantom Dancer if the game is absurdly long (but that is very rare,but its good to have a build who takes note of those long long games). As runes i got Arp reds,magic resist per lvl blues,armor per lvl yellows and health quints.It's my basic AD carry setup ( i don't have a runepage for every hero yet ,so i'm using general based rune builds ).I only time i had so much fun with a hero,as much as with Vayne,was when i use to play Twitch ,many many nerf patches ago at lvl 15+. As long as you have at least 2 semi-competent team mates you should win most pubs.By semi-competent i mean basic knowledge of his/her champ and doesn't feed  .If u sometimes a encounter a good 5 man premade with balanced heroes and lots of CC and your team isn't on par, you will die.Fortunately ,many champs can 1v1 vayne provided they are on par gear and not underlvled and maybe with the help of Exhaust. From anti-carries like Akali ,with her insane AP burst,to a equally geared Gankplank who exhaust you,to team with lots of CC,Vayne is not invincible,especially with this build :D. But with this build,she is the champion which will make you regret you left her run away with 30 hp.Not because missed the gold,but that you let her live a little longer.So everything relies on your team keeping you alive as possible. As laning partners,anything works for her,provided that the lane partner has a CC ability.From Ali to Nasus/Taric or any other tank.I don't like having a support on my lane.The only advatange of having a support is that you get all the gold usually.But the problem is that you're both squishy .Yes,Sona can heal you and Janna can shield you and slow.But i prefer a beefy tank or Taric who can take the brunt of the dmg while i focus one of them. Hopefully i covered most of the aspects and that my mini-guide didn't bored you.It's my first guide attempt . | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
the only thing i'd change now is phantom dancer before wit's end, or at least zeal first | ||
NonY
8748 Posts
On September 03 2011 13:26 alexlw92 wrote: why not IE? i never get BC, for armor pen i always go LW Attack speed helps get W procs, so once you have BC + Boots, your AS is good enough to pop those W's out easily. Also BC is such an insane mid-game item in general because carries melt under the armor shred and even tanks often haven't built much armor yet. In general, AD synergizes with AS and vice versa. Vayne gets an AD boost from her ult, and she gets no natural AS boosts, so it's natural for her to build some AS. And of course her W benefits from AS. IE is better for champs that are going for crit or have natural crit steroid or champs that have attack speed steroids. You have to try BC to really feel it. I think 2 dorans, zerker greaves and BC and maxing W gives an insanely strong mid game. IE takes longer to get and isn't as strong until you can get some more +crit chance. Pick up red buff and call for a team fight at dragon or baron or something and then just attack whoever is closest to you. Even if it's a tank, you kite and kill so fast and then clean up everyone. Also I find that grabbing dagger for an extra 15% AS, until you can afford the full BC, is really nice. It can really make the difference between getting a W off in lane and not getting it off. If you have boots and dorans blade, and you buy boots 2 and 2nd dorans blade and a dagger, you just got a huge boost in power, while the other guy probably just went triple dorans blade and didn't change much. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
IE scales better in general though for lategame, because once you get PD as well the crits get insane. But for midgame dominating BC is #1. | ||
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GhostOwl
766 Posts
In my build, I almost always build BC and Phantom Dancers. That's 55+40 = 95 attack speed. And then I focus on AD and get IE and Bloodthirster. Should I go for more than 95? | ||
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rwrzr
United States1980 Posts
On September 05 2011 16:37 GhostOwl wrote: How much attack speed do you guys think is good enough for Vayne? In my build, I almost always build BC and Phantom Dancers. That's 55+40 = 95 attack speed. And then I focus on AD and get IE and Bloodthirster. Should I go for more than 95? Attackspeed is for crit and stacking BC + W. I don't really feel that there is one answer for every situation. If you are not being focused: IE If you are being focused: Banshees If you are just eating some of the AOE: BT I don't know this is probably wrong, but IE gives the most damage and synergizes well with the items you are currently building. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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unichan
United States4223 Posts
On September 07 2011 00:53 Brees wrote: really need a new OP for vayne, current one is so bad. lol i hope no one is following that item build it still says double philo | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Psyonic_Reaver
United States4333 Posts
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On September 07 2011 02:29 Psyonic_Reaver wrote: I always have built W>E>Q and gone pure attack speed. W proc is just too good. your signature here is very fitting :3 all kidding aside though, W is a one point wonder. | ||
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unichan
United States4223 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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