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Re: SotD - I find that with SotD vayne can explode someone who gets out of position extremely briefly, whereas she can't really threaten high priority targets as much in fights due to her low range. I may just be playing with bad players, but being able to explode an AP/AD carry for a moment of bad positioning that would otherwise be an auto or two can really swing fights.
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sotd is fine. just not first item. maybe second item, and only in situations where you feel like you can get away with burst.
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On December 23 2012 07:01 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:55 arb wrote:On December 23 2012 01:39 heroyi wrote:
wtf is up with all the vayne players rushing SOTD? I keep seeing them going for boots then vamp scept, sotd...I mean looking at the price and stat I would rather get a PD then that piece of shit mid game item..
different topic:
to play vayne you literally just sit in the back and wait. This may sound counter productive but she is wayyy too squishy and doesnt have any strong safety nets in comparison to other adcs (kog has his super range for example). Let everyone waste their CCs (especially the apc) then dive in. Her dps is so damn good that losing one team member isnt a big deal (unless someone got caught and no cooldowns were thrown).
zeross:
You should try to finish an item quickly (dont have a bunch of unfinished items) especially the BT just to get the stacks flowing (and i hope the LW isnt on your mandatory list but rather an optional and flexible option).The lifesteal runes dont add up much especialy when you dont have any dps to make up the percentage aspect of them. Also the AD quints help out A LOT with the last hitting which is usually why people put it up (considering there isnt any other strong option other than MS and defensive quints).
For the last hit:
Just get better. Honestly as long as you have one AD then anyone can last hit. What I use to do in the beginning is I would click on an minion that I would try to last hit and pay attention to the rate the hp is lowering. As soon as I see drop within the hp limit, I take a memory photo of what the hp bar looks like and last hit. Keep doing that so that you can easily recognize simply by the visual hp bar to know when to hit (melee minions are a bit tankier then range so keep that in mind). Just play enough and I promise it will come to you either way. It just takes time. Also using tumble to last hit easier isnt a bad idea although you can go oom and be vulnerable if you do it recklessly (they have a cc nearby).
I personally do boots if I see someone I need mobility against (blitz and leona come to mind) and mainly start with it considering vayne has a SHITTY SHITTY early game (pre-6). But going boots, 2 dorans, scept isnt a bad early item setup. its pretty funny if youre way ahead, the 3 auto crits is like 100% a kill on their ad carry or support really I am guessing R + Tumble + Guaranteed crit -> instant death.
Ya, its actually pretty funny to watch if youre really fed. I'd get like PD or something if i was even/behind tho(which is more likely)
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On December 05 2012 05:14 zeross wrote:
hi, i'm a fairly new lol player (hiting 30 soon), and i mostly play adc.
i tried a lot, and i'm thinking of maining vayne.
i usualy start of my game with boots, bf sword, vamp scepter, zeal, IE, phantom dancer, last whisper, GA, BT
i know its not the greatest build, but it was working well vs bots and was good for most adc
i've buyed my runes as folow :
mark : 1 crit chance (for better then 0, it still crit sometimes :p), then only armor pene
seal : only armor
glyph : only magic res per level
quint : life steal
i know there is absolutly no guide (none that i've seen) that suggest life steal quint, but i thought they would be cool and bought them.
are those atk dmg very so powerful that every build recomand them ? i thought 6 .75 wouldn't change so much and life steal seemed more attracting.
now, because of this, and because i'm still a noob, i have some problems last hiting.
should i change my mark+quint to atk dmg ? or should i buy a doran blade or two after my boots ? (or should i just get better at last hitting without changing anything :p)
This is strictly better:
Quints: Flat AD
Marks: Flat AD
Seals: Flat Armor
Glyphs: Flat MR or MR/lv
21/9/0
Your build is 100% gimping your ability to win early game with the mindset of "surviving" the lane phase, and Vayne already has one of the toughest early games. Flat AD is to make it easier to last hit early and to give you some harass power with q. Think about how much damage one shot from Vayne does, then think of how much in actual healing 6% of that is. It's probably like under 3 hp an attack. You'd be better off running flat HP regen quints.
Take our word for it and set yourself up right. Don't try to be fancy until you have the basics down and understand the game a bit more.
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I feel like I'm a very bad person for laughing while reading through the OP...
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On December 23 2012 11:40 Tatari wrote:
I feel like I'm a very bad person for laughing while reading through the OP...
I don't XD
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On December 23 2012 11:05 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 05:14 zeross wrote:
hi, i'm a fairly new lol player (hiting 30 soon), and i mostly play adc.
i tried a lot, and i'm thinking of maining vayne.
i usualy start of my game with boots, bf sword, vamp scepter, zeal, IE, phantom dancer, last whisper, GA, BT
i know its not the greatest build, but it was working well vs bots and was good for most adc
i've buyed my runes as folow :
mark : 1 crit chance (for better then 0, it still crit sometimes :p), then only armor pene
seal : only armor
glyph : only magic res per level
quint : life steal
i know there is absolutly no guide (none that i've seen) that suggest life steal quint, but i thought they would be cool and bought them.
are those atk dmg very so powerful that every build recomand them ? i thought 6 .75 wouldn't change so much and life steal seemed more attracting.
now, because of this, and because i'm still a noob, i have some problems last hiting.
should i change my mark+quint to atk dmg ? or should i buy a doran blade or two after my boots ? (or should i just get better at last hitting without changing anything :p) This is strictly better: Quints: Flat AD Marks: Flat AD Seals: Flat Armor Glyphs: Flat MR or MR/lv 21/9/0 Your build is 100% gimping your ability to win early game with the mindset of "surviving" the lane phase, and Vayne already has one of the toughest early games. Flat AD is to make it easier to last hit early and to give you some harass power with q. Think about how much damage one shot from Vayne does, then think of how much in actual healing 6% of that is. It's probably like under 3 hp an attack. You'd be better off running flat HP regen quints. Take our word for it and set yourself up right. Don't try to be fancy until you have the basics down and understand the game a bit more.
I've seen a few games from our own Entenzwerg playing Vayne with LS quints (during season2), and I believe he has the adc basics down more than any of us here.
If Vayne has such a hard time early it makes no sense for me to take 21/9/0 masteries every game. What's wrong with 17/13/0? Vayne doesn't need the last 4 points in offense to do ridiculous damage once she has items and the damage reduction is clealrly helpful early.
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The difference between 3 shotting someone and 4 shotting someone is huge, and let's be clear about what you're taking LS for--are you using it to sustain in lane, or are you using it because you're not planning on getting a vamp scepter?
If you're using it to survive lane, then A) work on laning and B) take hp regen instead because it's more healing.
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Fellow Vayne players:
How do I deal with Ez/Sona botlane as Vayne? When I play with a support player that I know, I can somewhat handle it. But with rando soloQ supports it's difficult to get the same level of coordination. Are there any good lane combos that can handle the harass and/or straight up kill them, or should I just pray they let me farm?
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On January 01 2013 02:30 Mondeezy wrote:
Fellow Vayne players:
How do I deal with Ez/Sona botlane as Vayne? When I play with a support player that I know, I can somewhat handle it. But with rando soloQ supports it's difficult to get the same level of coordination. Are there any good lane combos that can handle the harass and/or straight up kill them, or should I just pray they let me farm?
Bot lane is determined by support match ups. AD carry picks, not as much.
Get a Taric or Leona and initiate on the Sona. You aren't ever going to catch the Ezreal unless both of his blinks are down.
Or just passive farm. Picking Nunu into a Sona is just flat out retarded.
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So, since ADs are somewhat disadvantaged until the very lategame, my thought was like "If ADs suck right now, I might as well try some Vayne again for the lategame". Surprisingly, I had decent succes with 9/21/0, Doran's Blade, +15 AD runes start. Even former nightmares like the Corki matchup are doable if your support is not completey retarded.
Does someone know what Doublelift run in yesterday's LCS NA?
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I think he was running Lifesteal quints. He was definitely getting noteworthy lifesteal mid/lategame off minions with no vamp scepter and 1 doran.
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I don't see him getting any lifesteal until Vamp. Are you positive you didn't just miss it in his inventory?
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I'm so pumped for the next patch^^;;
BoTRK (if it hits live servers unchanged^^). will be my first itemI think, AS+Lifesteal+self-peel active ^.^
On top of that: Base AS buff and Q mana cost buff and mana / lvl buff :o
ill be hunting so many bad guys if thoses changes hit :D
edits: im tired as fuck <.<
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Just wondering if any experienced Vayne players can help me out with Vayne vs Caitlyn laning if your support is somewhat of a liability.
In 5's I just rely on my support to protect me until I have ult, and can slam her. But in soloq if I have a good support its great, but if I have a bad support I'm totally lost in that matchup.
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On March 04 2013 11:11 RagequitBM wrote:
Just wondering if any experienced Vayne players can help me out with Vayne vs Caitlyn laning if your support is somewhat of a liability.
In 5's I just rely on my support to protect me until I have ult, and can slam her. But in soloq if I have a good support its great, but if I have a bad support I'm totally lost in that matchup.
ehhhh
I'm pretty sure there's nothing you can do. I don't play Cait or Vayne OFTEN but if you know that there is something you can do ex. When we hit level 4 all in, try to to communicate that. Sometimes soloq sucks like that 
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On March 04 2013 11:11 RagequitBM wrote:
Just wondering if any experienced Vayne players can help me out with Vayne vs Caitlyn laning if your support is somewhat of a liability.
In 5's I just rely on my support to protect me until I have ult, and can slam her. But in soloq if I have a good support its great, but if I have a bad support I'm totally lost in that matchup.
While having a good support will help you when it comes to laning, it won't change anything specifically when looking at the Vayne vs Caitlyn match-up.
Vayne is a late-game orientated champion with one of the weakest early games out of all ADCs. Caitlyn is a mid-late game orientated champion with one of the strongest early games out of all ADCs in the laning phase. As Vayne, you are naturally at a huge disadvantage and you can expect to come out of the laning phase with a farm deficit compared to the Caitlyn (assuming you are playing against competent players who know how to abuse Caitlyn's finer points and last hit simultaneously).
The only real thing you can do against Caitlyn as Vayne are the following:
- If you are really uncomfortable against Caitlyn and find laning against her a nightmare (we're talking excess Nocturne levels; laning against Caitlyn is already a nightmare, we know) then I recommend taking a tanky support that will help defend you (someone like Alistar, who possesses some sustain in the form of a heal and protection in the form of his innate tankiness and CC) - this helps ease the pressure somewhat, but can still be countered by your opponents.
- Never try and make trades with Caitlyn at any stage unless you are absolutely guaranteed to be able to come out on top. Your main focus as Vayne is to farm in the laning phase and come out equal to your opposing ADC. Achieving this against a Caitlyn (a good one) is realistically hard, so it's best to just farm up as safe as you can and not leave yourself exposed. Caitlyn has a range of 650 while Vayne has a range of 550 - and a Caitlyn that waddles throughout the bushes to abuse her passive mechanic can utilise potent harass against you.
- Ask for the Jungler to gank your lane. This is one of the only true things you can do to try and even the score between you and Caitlyn. While she may be a potent character and great at harassing, squishies aren't exactly built to handle several champions trying to kill them. Caitlyn is no exception! Have your support try and purple ward the river and have the Jungler come down to assist you, and make sure you have an aggressive support who can provide CC to enable kill potential (Taric, Blitzcrank, Alistar to name a few).
- If you are uncomfortable when it comes to farming under your turret while pressured, make sure that you keep an eye on the minion wave itself. This is basic ADC material, but always make sure that if you are being pushed into your turret, and you yourself know that you are not the best last hitter, then focus on pushing the lane back into the centre of the lane. Caitlyn's range and piltover peacemakers, coupled with her ability to zone you out (even at your turret) through the use of her traps can make last hitting a very sensitive issue.
- If you find yourself struggling to last hit against a Caitlyn and are using a late-game rune page (i.e. Armor Penetration marks, etc) then make sure you change that to the usual Flat AD set-up (AD quints, marks)! This helps you lane a little more and helps you with your last hitting if you find yourself struggling in that department. While this last point might not be the best of advice, it's still something to consider.
The majority of professionals will always open up with a Doran's Blade to begin with regardless, but if you find yourself uncomfortable against Caitlyn and fear her potent laning phase, then don't be afraid to stick to the longsword and two potions route, or even the traditional boots and three potions if you must. Your main aim is to try and farm as much as you can and get out of the laning phase in a position were you are able to salvage your situation.
tl;dr Play safe, farm as safe and best as you can and make sure not to get yourself in danger during the laning phase. Coming out behind on cs is okay as long as you don't end up giving her a bunch of kills, that greatly reduces your ability to make a comeback later on in the game.
I'd just like to mention that I am not a good player, nor am I Doublelift or a replica of him or any other known Vayne player, but I consider my knowledge to be average. This does not mean that I don't make mistakes, so if you disagree with any of the points I've made, or if I have mentioned anything wrong, I apologise beforehand.
I would also like to say that I run the following runes and masteries:
Runes: - AD Marks ~ AD Quints ~ Armor Seals ~ Magic Resistance Glyphs -
Masteries: 21 / 9 / 0 - The extra health, armour and bonuses to common summoners on Vayne (Cleanse / Barrier) is highly valuable in this match-up and for most Vayne players to supplement their early game.
Thank you for reading and I hope this helped!
Saber96 (EUW).
Edit: Added the last bullet paragraph. Added the runes / masteries.
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On March 04 2013 13:17 Saber96 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 11:11 RagequitBM wrote:
Just wondering if any experienced Vayne players can help me out with Vayne vs Caitlyn laning if your support is somewhat of a liability.
In 5's I just rely on my support to protect me until I have ult, and can slam her. But in soloq if I have a good support its great, but if I have a bad support I'm totally lost in that matchup. While having a good support will help you when it comes to laning, it won't change anything specifically when looking at the Vayne vs Caitlyn match-up. Vayne is a late-game orientated champion with one of the weakest early games out of all ADCs. Caitlyn is a mid-late game orientated champion with one of the strongest early games out of all ADCs in the laning phase. As Vayne, you are naturally at a huge disadvantage and you can expect to come out of the laning phase with a farm deficit compared to the Caitlyn (assuming you are playing against competent players who know how to abuse Caitlyn's finer points and last hit simultaneously). The only real thing you can do against Caitlyn as Vayne are the following: - If you are really uncomfortable against Caitlyn and find laning against her a nightmare (we're talking excess Nocturne levels; laning against Caitlyn is already a nightmare, we know) then I recommend taking a tanky support that will help defend you (someone like Alistar, who possesses some sustain in the form of a heal and protection in the form of his innate tankiness and CC) - this helps ease the pressure somewhat, but can still be countered by your opponents.
- Never try and make trades with Caitlyn at any stage unless you are absolutely guaranteed to be able to come out on top. Your main focus as Vayne is to farm in the laning phase and come out equal to your opposing ADC. Achieving this against a Caitlyn (a good one) is realistically hard, so it's best to just farm up as safe as you can and not leave yourself exposed. Caitlyn has a range of 650 while Vayne has a range of 550 - and a Caitlyn that waddles throughout the bushes to abuse her passive mechanic can utilise potent harass against you.
- Ask for the Jungler to gank your lane. This is one of the only true things you can do to try and even the score between you and Caitlyn. While she may be a potent character and great at harassing, squishies aren't exactly built to handle several champions trying to kill them. Caitlyn is no exception! Have your support try and purple ward the river and have the Jungler come down to assist you, and make sure you have an aggressive support who can provide CC to enable kill potential (Taric, Blitzcrank, Alistar to name a few).
- If you are uncomfortable when it comes to farming under your turret while pressured, make sure that you keep an eye on the minion wave itself. This is basic ADC material, but always make sure that if you are being pushed into your turret, and you yourself know that you are not the best last hitter, then focus on pushing the lane back into the centre of the lane. Caitlyn's range and piltover peacemakers, coupled with her ability to zone you out (even at your turret) through the use of her traps can make last hitting a very sensitive issue.
- If you find yourself struggling to last hit against a Caitlyn and are using a late-game rune page (i.e. Armor Penetration marks, etc) then make sure you change that to the usual Flat AD set-up (AD quints, marks)! This helps you lane a little more and helps you with your last hitting if you find yourself struggling in that department. While this last point might not be the best of advice, it's still something to consider.
The majority of professionals will always open up with a Doran's Blade to begin with regardless, but if you find yourself uncomfortable against Caitlyn and fear her potent laning phase, then don't be afraid to stick to the longsword and two potions route, or even the traditional boots and three potions if you must. Your main aim is to try and farm as much as you can and get out of the laning phase in a position were you are able to salvage your situation. tl;dr Play safe, farm as safe and best as you can and make sure not to get yourself in danger during the laning phase. Coming out behind on cs is okay as long as you don't end up giving her a bunch of kills, that greatly reduces your ability to make a comeback later on in the game. I'd just like to mention that I am not a good player, nor am I Doublelift or a replica of him or any other known Vayne player, but I consider my knowledge to be average. This does not mean that I don't make mistakes, so if you disagree with any of the points I've made, or if I have mentioned anything wrong, I apologise beforehand. I would also like to say that I run the following runes and masteries: Runes: - AD Marks ~ AD Quints ~ Armor Seals ~ Magic Resistance Glyphs - Masteries: 21 / 9 / 0 - The extra health, armour and bonuses to common summoners on Vayne (Cleanse / Barrier) is highly valuable in this match-up and for most Vayne players to supplement their early game. Thank you for reading and I hope this helped! Saber96 (EUW). Edit: Added the last bullet paragraph. Added the runes / masteries.
Great tips, I just wanted to add that it could be viable to go 16/14/0 masteries for the block mastery, you get harrassed quite a lot against cait lanes, and 5 less damage from every auto adds up.
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On March 04 2013 15:57 zodde wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 13:17 Saber96 wrote:On March 04 2013 11:11 RagequitBM wrote:
Just wondering if any experienced Vayne players can help me out with Vayne vs Caitlyn laning if your support is somewhat of a liability.
In 5's I just rely on my support to protect me until I have ult, and can slam her. But in soloq if I have a good support its great, but if I have a bad support I'm totally lost in that matchup. While having a good support will help you when it comes to laning, it won't change anything specifically when looking at the Vayne vs Caitlyn match-up. Vayne is a late-game orientated champion with one of the weakest early games out of all ADCs. Caitlyn is a mid-late game orientated champion with one of the strongest early games out of all ADCs in the laning phase. As Vayne, you are naturally at a huge disadvantage and you can expect to come out of the laning phase with a farm deficit compared to the Caitlyn (assuming you are playing against competent players who know how to abuse Caitlyn's finer points and last hit simultaneously). The only real thing you can do against Caitlyn as Vayne are the following: - If you are really uncomfortable against Caitlyn and find laning against her a nightmare (we're talking excess Nocturne levels; laning against Caitlyn is already a nightmare, we know) then I recommend taking a tanky support that will help defend you (someone like Alistar, who possesses some sustain in the form of a heal and protection in the form of his innate tankiness and CC) - this helps ease the pressure somewhat, but can still be countered by your opponents.
- Never try and make trades with Caitlyn at any stage unless you are absolutely guaranteed to be able to come out on top. Your main focus as Vayne is to farm in the laning phase and come out equal to your opposing ADC. Achieving this against a Caitlyn (a good one) is realistically hard, so it's best to just farm up as safe as you can and not leave yourself exposed. Caitlyn has a range of 650 while Vayne has a range of 550 - and a Caitlyn that waddles throughout the bushes to abuse her passive mechanic can utilise potent harass against you.
- Ask for the Jungler to gank your lane. This is one of the only true things you can do to try and even the score between you and Caitlyn. While she may be a potent character and great at harassing, squishies aren't exactly built to handle several champions trying to kill them. Caitlyn is no exception! Have your support try and purple ward the river and have the Jungler come down to assist you, and make sure you have an aggressive support who can provide CC to enable kill potential (Taric, Blitzcrank, Alistar to name a few).
- If you are uncomfortable when it comes to farming under your turret while pressured, make sure that you keep an eye on the minion wave itself. This is basic ADC material, but always make sure that if you are being pushed into your turret, and you yourself know that you are not the best last hitter, then focus on pushing the lane back into the centre of the lane. Caitlyn's range and piltover peacemakers, coupled with her ability to zone you out (even at your turret) through the use of her traps can make last hitting a very sensitive issue.
- If you find yourself struggling to last hit against a Caitlyn and are using a late-game rune page (i.e. Armor Penetration marks, etc) then make sure you change that to the usual Flat AD set-up (AD quints, marks)! This helps you lane a little more and helps you with your last hitting if you find yourself struggling in that department. While this last point might not be the best of advice, it's still something to consider.
The majority of professionals will always open up with a Doran's Blade to begin with regardless, but if you find yourself uncomfortable against Caitlyn and fear her potent laning phase, then don't be afraid to stick to the longsword and two potions route, or even the traditional boots and three potions if you must. Your main aim is to try and farm as much as you can and get out of the laning phase in a position were you are able to salvage your situation. tl;dr Play safe, farm as safe and best as you can and make sure not to get yourself in danger during the laning phase. Coming out behind on cs is okay as long as you don't end up giving her a bunch of kills, that greatly reduces your ability to make a comeback later on in the game. I'd just like to mention that I am not a good player, nor am I Doublelift or a replica of him or any other known Vayne player, but I consider my knowledge to be average. This does not mean that I don't make mistakes, so if you disagree with any of the points I've made, or if I have mentioned anything wrong, I apologise beforehand. I would also like to say that I run the following runes and masteries: Runes: - AD Marks ~ AD Quints ~ Armor Seals ~ Magic Resistance Glyphs - Masteries: 21 / 9 / 0 - The extra health, armour and bonuses to common summoners on Vayne (Cleanse / Barrier) is highly valuable in this match-up and for most Vayne players to supplement their early game. Thank you for reading and I hope this helped! Saber96 (EUW). Edit: Added the last bullet paragraph. Added the runes / masteries. Great tips, I just wanted to add that it could be viable to go 16/14/0 masteries for the block mastery, you get harrassed quite a lot against cait lanes, and 5 less damage from every auto adds up.
Would a Doran's shield + block mastery be a silly idea for that lane matchup? 6 more block pretty good!
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On March 04 2013 18:32 Wetty wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 15:57 zodde wrote:On March 04 2013 13:17 Saber96 wrote:On March 04 2013 11:11 RagequitBM wrote:
Just wondering if any experienced Vayne players can help me out with Vayne vs Caitlyn laning if your support is somewhat of a liability.
In 5's I just rely on my support to protect me until I have ult, and can slam her. But in soloq if I have a good support its great, but if I have a bad support I'm totally lost in that matchup. While having a good support will help you when it comes to laning, it won't change anything specifically when looking at the Vayne vs Caitlyn match-up. Vayne is a late-game orientated champion with one of the weakest early games out of all ADCs. Caitlyn is a mid-late game orientated champion with one of the strongest early games out of all ADCs in the laning phase. As Vayne, you are naturally at a huge disadvantage and you can expect to come out of the laning phase with a farm deficit compared to the Caitlyn (assuming you are playing against competent players who know how to abuse Caitlyn's finer points and last hit simultaneously). The only real thing you can do against Caitlyn as Vayne are the following: - If you are really uncomfortable against Caitlyn and find laning against her a nightmare (we're talking excess Nocturne levels; laning against Caitlyn is already a nightmare, we know) then I recommend taking a tanky support that will help defend you (someone like Alistar, who possesses some sustain in the form of a heal and protection in the form of his innate tankiness and CC) - this helps ease the pressure somewhat, but can still be countered by your opponents.
- Never try and make trades with Caitlyn at any stage unless you are absolutely guaranteed to be able to come out on top. Your main focus as Vayne is to farm in the laning phase and come out equal to your opposing ADC. Achieving this against a Caitlyn (a good one) is realistically hard, so it's best to just farm up as safe as you can and not leave yourself exposed. Caitlyn has a range of 650 while Vayne has a range of 550 - and a Caitlyn that waddles throughout the bushes to abuse her passive mechanic can utilise potent harass against you.
- Ask for the Jungler to gank your lane. This is one of the only true things you can do to try and even the score between you and Caitlyn. While she may be a potent character and great at harassing, squishies aren't exactly built to handle several champions trying to kill them. Caitlyn is no exception! Have your support try and purple ward the river and have the Jungler come down to assist you, and make sure you have an aggressive support who can provide CC to enable kill potential (Taric, Blitzcrank, Alistar to name a few).
- If you are uncomfortable when it comes to farming under your turret while pressured, make sure that you keep an eye on the minion wave itself. This is basic ADC material, but always make sure that if you are being pushed into your turret, and you yourself know that you are not the best last hitter, then focus on pushing the lane back into the centre of the lane. Caitlyn's range and piltover peacemakers, coupled with her ability to zone you out (even at your turret) through the use of her traps can make last hitting a very sensitive issue.
- If you find yourself struggling to last hit against a Caitlyn and are using a late-game rune page (i.e. Armor Penetration marks, etc) then make sure you change that to the usual Flat AD set-up (AD quints, marks)! This helps you lane a little more and helps you with your last hitting if you find yourself struggling in that department. While this last point might not be the best of advice, it's still something to consider.
The majority of professionals will always open up with a Doran's Blade to begin with regardless, but if you find yourself uncomfortable against Caitlyn and fear her potent laning phase, then don't be afraid to stick to the longsword and two potions route, or even the traditional boots and three potions if you must. Your main aim is to try and farm as much as you can and get out of the laning phase in a position were you are able to salvage your situation. tl;dr Play safe, farm as safe and best as you can and make sure not to get yourself in danger during the laning phase. Coming out behind on cs is okay as long as you don't end up giving her a bunch of kills, that greatly reduces your ability to make a comeback later on in the game. I'd just like to mention that I am not a good player, nor am I Doublelift or a replica of him or any other known Vayne player, but I consider my knowledge to be average. This does not mean that I don't make mistakes, so if you disagree with any of the points I've made, or if I have mentioned anything wrong, I apologise beforehand. I would also like to say that I run the following runes and masteries: Runes: - AD Marks ~ AD Quints ~ Armor Seals ~ Magic Resistance Glyphs - Masteries: 21 / 9 / 0 - The extra health, armour and bonuses to common summoners on Vayne (Cleanse / Barrier) is highly valuable in this match-up and for most Vayne players to supplement their early game. Thank you for reading and I hope this helped! Saber96 (EUW). Edit: Added the last bullet paragraph. Added the runes / masteries. Great tips, I just wanted to add that it could be viable to go 16/14/0 masteries for the block mastery, you get harrassed quite a lot against cait lanes, and 5 less damage from every auto adds up. Would a Doran's shield + block mastery be a silly idea for that lane matchup? 6 more block pretty good!
I would say doran's blade or a rush to vamp scepter is always better for sustain in lane. The shield is just going to gimp you even further, the idea is to stay as even as you reasonably can untill the late midgame, the shield puts you behind right from the start.
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