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On March 01 2013 04:19 RagequitBM wrote:
I don't see him getting any lifesteal until Vamp. Are you positive you didn't just miss it in his inventory?
He didn't have a vamp scepter in some games at the 25 minute mark, and was getting non-insignificant lifesteal amounts from minions. Pretty sure the lifesteal quints are, as 5HIT said, to skip the necessity of vamp and go straight to IE/PD.
Shit, phreak and jatt were even talking about how he didn't have a vamp scepter in MRN vs CLG, and that it was the shortcut he took to be even in items despite being behind in gold.
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ive been debating alot on what items to get exactly.
Any high elo can comment on these two builds which I think are standard for most ppl.
botrk>pd>ie>lw>(defensive or bt)
bt>pd>ie>lw>(defensive or botrk)
what i'm concerned with is the difference in AS if you go BT first. As vayne, AS takes adv of its w passive. But at the same time, you give up 75AD for the AS. What do you think?
Maybe you can even skip lw and go for shive or zephyr?
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On March 19 2013 10:26 .ImchEEzy wrote:
ive been debating alot on what items to get exactly.
Any high elo can comment on these two builds which I think are standard for most ppl.
botrk>pd>ie>lw>(defensive or bt)
bt>pd>ie>lw>(defensive or botrk)
what i'm concerned with is the difference in AS if you go BT first. As vayne, AS takes adv of its w passive. But at the same time, you give up 75AD for the AS. What do you think?
Maybe you can even skip lw and go for shive or zephyr?
Doublelife said in his AMA on reddit that he didn't like botrk as a first item on vayne. He said that if he went botrk -> pd, he didn't have enough AD, and if he went botrk -> ad item, he didn't have enough attack speed.
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so how did he solve that problem?
BT>pd doesn't solve the AS problem like botrk>AD item
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Could go BtoRK - > Zephyr.
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Can't you then potentially get BotRK > Zeal > AD item to bridge that lack of attack speed gap?
Personally i think, given the meta is dominated by tanky dps and health items, botrk into pd is almost always enough damage to get you those mid game kills to set you up for late game
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Dlift never solves shit wtf. He just goes bt pd instead of messing with bortk. Bt start gived him better late game and easier last hiting which is what he caes about more then the bortk active.
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I like Botrk PD personally. The extra damage from Botrk against their front line makes up for lack of AD.
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I think W first is godlike if you go Bork first. I smash my lane everytime. But I don't think you're as good in teamfights just because your tumble cooldown is basically a million years at low level.
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But with BORK first, you can use the active MS to kite in early fights to make up for the lack of tumble.
I dunno, I'm so terrible at Vayne it's hard to contribute.
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On March 26 2013 13:59 Mondeezy wrote:So looking at this site http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Vayne I noticed that the KR Vayne players max W first, and NA max Q first. Thoughts? I've never really given W a shot..
Some of those KR vayne builds make literally 0 sense. Vamp scepter -> PD -> 2 daggers when you're clearly losing ground and caitlyn is pulling ahead - seems like finishing bilgewater would have made a lot more sense and probably kept you alive better.
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On March 26 2013 19:26 sylverfyre wrote:Some of those KR vayne builds make literally 0 sense. Vamp scepter -> PD -> 2 daggers when you're clearly losing ground and caitlyn is pulling ahead - seems like finishing bilgewater would have made a lot more sense and probably kept you alive better.
Yeah that's why I posted to see if maybe someone could explain it to me. Tumble cdr seems way more valuable for staying alive than 1% more HP damage or w/e. Then again I know KR teams put more emphasis on mid and top to carry so who knows.
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KR teams also have their lane phase end so quickly oftentimes (and ive seen laneswaps in their soloq too) that Tumble's lane safety seems like it might be stunted heavily. But still... Vamp Scepter -> PD seems so bad. At least buy the bilgewater D:
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On March 19 2013 10:34 zodde wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 10:26 .ImchEEzy wrote:
ive been debating alot on what items to get exactly.
Any high elo can comment on these two builds which I think are standard for most ppl.
botrk>pd>ie>lw>(defensive or bt)
bt>pd>ie>lw>(defensive or botrk)
what i'm concerned with is the difference in AS if you go BT first. As vayne, AS takes adv of its w passive. But at the same time, you give up 75AD for the AS. What do you think?
Maybe you can even skip lw and go for shive or zephyr? Doublelife said in his AMA on reddit that he didn't like botrk as a first item on vayne. He said that if he went botrk -> pd, he didn't have enough AD, and if he went botrk -> ad item, he didn't have enough attack speed.
I think how DL and pros play Vayne is different from solo queue Vayne. DL plays in comps that revolve around him, with his entire team actively peeling for him. In Solo Queue, you don't have that luxury. Personally, I love BoTRK for the active and it's kiting/dueling potential, as solo queue benefits from catching people out more often than in pro games.
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I really wonder if the aspd difference of botrk and PD makes that much of a difference, I doubt it.
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It's nothing a single Dagger won't fix. Literally.
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On March 26 2013 19:26 sylverfyre wrote:Some of those KR vayne builds make literally 0 sense. Vamp scepter -> PD -> 2 daggers when you're clearly losing ground and caitlyn is pulling ahead - seems like finishing bilgewater would have made a lot more sense and probably kept you alive better.
Their reasoning is probably just: if I have W maxed and tons of AS, I can easily just activate R and kill cait even if she's ahead in gold. PD first is such an old build though; i thought they would go for statik shiv instead.
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why is vayne so unpopular these days. Shes a beast late game.
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She doesn't seem unpopular to me. I've been seeing mostly Vayne, Cait, or MF.
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