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parkufarku
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
882 Posts
August 29 2015 19:19 GMT
#281
On August 30 2015 03:03 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 02:40 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:59 parkufarku wrote:
On August 28 2015 13:52 kenzy_5g wrote:
No they're not imba. Actually to hold off the early-midgame push with liberators and hellbats, just make a spore or two. It's what I do and I'm grandmaster.

You can uproot and move em all around to defend your third, etc.


by the time you reposition and uproot, liberator will just change its position or harrass elsewhere.

This must be bait.

Obviously you reposition in order to zone them from your third/wherever the timing attack is taking place. If you only make two then that secures your third. And no, they can't reposition because if you use proper spore positioning then they can't do a damn thing; they're ZONED from your third. Maybe you should actually try it instead of theorycrafting.


there are some maps where spores do not help you at all, this isn't theory crafting.


exactly. he's the one theorycrafting here. there was a guy who tested the positioning a few pages ago that validated that spores alone aren't enough
DeepBurrow
Profile Joined August 2015
49 Posts
August 29 2015 19:43 GMT
#282
On August 30 2015 02:40 kenzy_5g wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 05:59 parkufarku wrote:
On August 28 2015 13:52 kenzy_5g wrote:
No they're not imba. Actually to hold off the early-midgame push with liberators and hellbats, just make a spore or two. It's what I do and I'm grandmaster.

You can uproot and move em all around to defend your third, etc.


by the time you reposition and uproot, liberator will just change its position or harrass elsewhere.

This must be bait.

Obviously you reposition in order to zone them from your third/wherever the timing attack is taking place. If you only make two then that secures your third. And no, they can't reposition because if you use proper spore positioning then they can't do a damn thing; they're ZONED from your third. Maybe you should actually try it instead of theorycrafting.


Yeah brigehead and dash terminal says hi.
And this is how i know you dont even play the game.
kenzy_5g
Profile Joined April 2015
13 Posts
August 30 2015 03:54 GMT
#283
On August 30 2015 04:43 DeepBurrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 02:40 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:59 parkufarku wrote:
On August 28 2015 13:52 kenzy_5g wrote:
No they're not imba. Actually to hold off the early-midgame push with liberators and hellbats, just make a spore or two. It's what I do and I'm grandmaster.

You can uproot and move em all around to defend your third, etc.


by the time you reposition and uproot, liberator will just change its position or harrass elsewhere.

This must be bait.

Obviously you reposition in order to zone them from your third/wherever the timing attack is taking place. If you only make two then that secures your third. And no, they can't reposition because if you use proper spore positioning then they can't do a damn thing; they're ZONED from your third. Maybe you should actually try it instead of theorycrafting.


Yeah brigehead and dash terminal says hi.
And this is how i know you dont even play the game.

currently #1 masters with a 80% winrate. Granted I haven't played in like two years but I was rank 1 GM for a while when I did.

I love getting "told" by golds. just stop.
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
August 30 2015 13:36 GMT
#284
On August 30 2015 12:54 kenzy_5g wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 04:43 DeepBurrow wrote:
On August 30 2015 02:40 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:59 parkufarku wrote:
On August 28 2015 13:52 kenzy_5g wrote:
No they're not imba. Actually to hold off the early-midgame push with liberators and hellbats, just make a spore or two. It's what I do and I'm grandmaster.

You can uproot and move em all around to defend your third, etc.


by the time you reposition and uproot, liberator will just change its position or harrass elsewhere.

This must be bait.

Obviously you reposition in order to zone them from your third/wherever the timing attack is taking place. If you only make two then that secures your third. And no, they can't reposition because if you use proper spore positioning then they can't do a damn thing; they're ZONED from your third. Maybe you should actually try it instead of theorycrafting.


Yeah brigehead and dash terminal says hi.
And this is how i know you dont even play the game.

currently #1 masters with a 80% winrate. Granted I haven't played in like two years but I was rank 1 GM for a while when I did.

I love getting "told" by golds. just stop.


there's actually no way you're masters and think that spores are the solution to hellbat + lib pushes
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
DeepBurrow
Profile Joined August 2015
49 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-30 16:07:44
August 30 2015 14:17 GMT
#285
On August 30 2015 12:54 kenzy_5g wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 04:43 DeepBurrow wrote:
On August 30 2015 02:40 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:59 parkufarku wrote:
On August 28 2015 13:52 kenzy_5g wrote:
No they're not imba. Actually to hold off the early-midgame push with liberators and hellbats, just make a spore or two. It's what I do and I'm grandmaster.

You can uproot and move em all around to defend your third, etc.


by the time you reposition and uproot, liberator will just change its position or harrass elsewhere.

This must be bait.

Obviously you reposition in order to zone them from your third/wherever the timing attack is taking place. If you only make two then that secures your third. And no, they can't reposition because if you use proper spore positioning then they can't do a damn thing; they're ZONED from your third. Maybe you should actually try it instead of theorycrafting.


Yeah brigehead and dash terminal says hi.
And this is how i know you dont even play the game.

currently #1 masters with a 80% winrate. Granted I haven't played in like two years but I was rank 1 GM for a while when I did.

I love getting "told" by golds. just stop.


If you are what you say, how can you not know about those maps being abused like hell ?
Also dont tell me its map design issue, when the only problem is the Liberator.

Alot of maps have death spaces.
parkufarku
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
882 Posts
August 30 2015 15:50 GMT
#286
On August 30 2015 23:17 DeepBurrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 12:54 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 30 2015 04:43 DeepBurrow wrote:
On August 30 2015 02:40 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:59 parkufarku wrote:
On August 28 2015 13:52 kenzy_5g wrote:
No they're not imba. Actually to hold off the early-midgame push with liberators and hellbats, just make a spore or two. It's what I do and I'm grandmaster.

You can uproot and move em all around to defend your third, etc.


by the time you reposition and uproot, liberator will just change its position or harrass elsewhere.

This must be bait.

Obviously you reposition in order to zone them from your third/wherever the timing attack is taking place. If you only make two then that secures your third. And no, they can't reposition because if you use proper spore positioning then they can't do a damn thing; they're ZONED from your third. Maybe you should actually try it instead of theorycrafting.


Yeah brigehead and dash terminal says hi.
And this is how i know you dont even play the game.

currently #1 masters with a 80% winrate. Granted I haven't played in like two years but I was rank 1 GM for a while when I did.

I love getting "told" by golds. just stop.


If you are what you say, how can you not know about those maps being abused like hell ?
Also dont tell me its map design issue, whn the only problem is the Liberator.

Alot of maps have death spaces.


He's #1 GM, we are wrong and clueless what we are talking about because we are 'golds"
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 30 2015 16:51 GMT
#287
On August 30 2015 12:54 kenzy_5g wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 04:43 DeepBurrow wrote:
On August 30 2015 02:40 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:59 parkufarku wrote:
On August 28 2015 13:52 kenzy_5g wrote:
No they're not imba. Actually to hold off the early-midgame push with liberators and hellbats, just make a spore or two. It's what I do and I'm grandmaster.

You can uproot and move em all around to defend your third, etc.


by the time you reposition and uproot, liberator will just change its position or harrass elsewhere.

This must be bait.

Obviously you reposition in order to zone them from your third/wherever the timing attack is taking place. If you only make two then that secures your third. And no, they can't reposition because if you use proper spore positioning then they can't do a damn thing; they're ZONED from your third. Maybe you should actually try it instead of theorycrafting.


Yeah brigehead and dash terminal says hi.
And this is how i know you dont even play the game.

currently #1 masters with a 80% winrate. Granted I haven't played in like two years but I was rank 1 GM for a while when I did.

I love getting "told" by golds. just stop.


Actually, before you tell anyone off I'd like to see some proof of your claims. Bullshitting doesn't really fly in this forum.
AdministratorBreak the chains
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
August 30 2015 22:45 GMT
#288
On August 31 2015 01:51 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 12:54 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 30 2015 04:43 DeepBurrow wrote:
On August 30 2015 02:40 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:59 parkufarku wrote:
On August 28 2015 13:52 kenzy_5g wrote:
No they're not imba. Actually to hold off the early-midgame push with liberators and hellbats, just make a spore or two. It's what I do and I'm grandmaster.

You can uproot and move em all around to defend your third, etc.


by the time you reposition and uproot, liberator will just change its position or harrass elsewhere.

This must be bait.

Obviously you reposition in order to zone them from your third/wherever the timing attack is taking place. If you only make two then that secures your third. And no, they can't reposition because if you use proper spore positioning then they can't do a damn thing; they're ZONED from your third. Maybe you should actually try it instead of theorycrafting.


Yeah brigehead and dash terminal says hi.
And this is how i know you dont even play the game.

currently #1 masters with a 80% winrate. Granted I haven't played in like two years but I was rank 1 GM for a while when I did.

I love getting "told" by golds. just stop.


Actually, before you tell anyone off I'd like to see some proof of your claims. Bullshitting doesn't really fly in this forum.


do you really need to ask for proof when an 8 post TL account walks into a balance thread and claims he was #1 gm? lol
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-30 22:58:28
August 30 2015 22:58 GMT
#289
On August 31 2015 07:45 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2015 01:51 Zealously wrote:
On August 30 2015 12:54 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 30 2015 04:43 DeepBurrow wrote:
On August 30 2015 02:40 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:59 parkufarku wrote:
On August 28 2015 13:52 kenzy_5g wrote:
No they're not imba. Actually to hold off the early-midgame push with liberators and hellbats, just make a spore or two. It's what I do and I'm grandmaster.

You can uproot and move em all around to defend your third, etc.


by the time you reposition and uproot, liberator will just change its position or harrass elsewhere.

This must be bait.

Obviously you reposition in order to zone them from your third/wherever the timing attack is taking place. If you only make two then that secures your third. And no, they can't reposition because if you use proper spore positioning then they can't do a damn thing; they're ZONED from your third. Maybe you should actually try it instead of theorycrafting.


Yeah brigehead and dash terminal says hi.
And this is how i know you dont even play the game.

currently #1 masters with a 80% winrate. Granted I haven't played in like two years but I was rank 1 GM for a while when I did.

I love getting "told" by golds. just stop.


Actually, before you tell anyone off I'd like to see some proof of your claims. Bullshitting doesn't really fly in this forum.


do you really need to ask for proof when an 8 post TL account walks into a balance thread and claims he was #1 gm? lol


The amount of 10,20, 50, an so on, post accounts that apperead since the macro changes is amazing, its getting quite bad, even reddit is better now :|
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-31 01:00:46
August 31 2015 00:33 GMT
#290
On August 31 2015 07:45 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2015 01:51 Zealously wrote:
On August 30 2015 12:54 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 30 2015 04:43 DeepBurrow wrote:
On August 30 2015 02:40 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:59 parkufarku wrote:
On August 28 2015 13:52 kenzy_5g wrote:
No they're not imba. Actually to hold off the early-midgame push with liberators and hellbats, just make a spore or two. It's what I do and I'm grandmaster.

You can uproot and move em all around to defend your third, etc.


by the time you reposition and uproot, liberator will just change its position or harrass elsewhere.

This must be bait.

Obviously you reposition in order to zone them from your third/wherever the timing attack is taking place. If you only make two then that secures your third. And no, they can't reposition because if you use proper spore positioning then they can't do a damn thing; they're ZONED from your third. Maybe you should actually try it instead of theorycrafting.


Yeah brigehead and dash terminal says hi.
And this is how i know you dont even play the game.

currently #1 masters with a 80% winrate. Granted I haven't played in like two years but I was rank 1 GM for a while when I did.

I love getting "told" by golds. just stop.


Actually, before you tell anyone off I'd like to see some proof of your claims. Bullshitting doesn't really fly in this forum.


do you really need to ask for proof when an 8 post TL account walks into a balance thread and claims he was #1 gm? lol


I'm guessing that's LRM)kenzy. Was active in brood war but not sure how much he competed in sc2.


What's the reason why zergs aren't going fast 4 gas? Every zerg I've played is still trying to get a 3rd base on hatchery tech and I don't think that's okay against liberator/hellbat. Delaying with spore/spine works very well against liberators but when you go 3 hatch before lair, your tech just doesn't seem to come out in time.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10686 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-31 01:16:50
August 31 2015 01:16 GMT
#291
On August 30 2015 12:54 kenzy_5g wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 04:43 DeepBurrow wrote:
On August 30 2015 02:40 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:59 parkufarku wrote:
On August 28 2015 13:52 kenzy_5g wrote:
No they're not imba. Actually to hold off the early-midgame push with liberators and hellbats, just make a spore or two. It's what I do and I'm grandmaster.

You can uproot and move em all around to defend your third, etc.


by the time you reposition and uproot, liberator will just change its position or harrass elsewhere.

This must be bait.

Obviously you reposition in order to zone them from your third/wherever the timing attack is taking place. If you only make two then that secures your third. And no, they can't reposition because if you use proper spore positioning then they can't do a damn thing; they're ZONED from your third. Maybe you should actually try it instead of theorycrafting.


Yeah brigehead and dash terminal says hi.
And this is how i know you dont even play the game.

currently #1 masters with a 80% winrate. Granted I haven't played in like two years but I was rank 1 GM for a while when I did.

I love getting "told" by golds. just stop.

lol Kenzy you are so full of it man, you aren't #1 masters with 80% win rate ( Even if you are in LOTV, this means nothing) , and you sure as hell were never #1 GM ( In HOTS or LOTV)

Please stop.

Or go prove it in a 1v1, whichever.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
EonuS
Profile Joined July 2010
Slovenia186 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-31 02:02:13
August 31 2015 02:00 GMT
#292
On August 31 2015 09:33 knyttym wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2015 07:45 BluemoonSC wrote:
On August 31 2015 01:51 Zealously wrote:
On August 30 2015 12:54 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 30 2015 04:43 DeepBurrow wrote:
On August 30 2015 02:40 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:59 parkufarku wrote:
On August 28 2015 13:52 kenzy_5g wrote:
No they're not imba. Actually to hold off the early-midgame push with liberators and hellbats, just make a spore or two. It's what I do and I'm grandmaster.

You can uproot and move em all around to defend your third, etc.


by the time you reposition and uproot, liberator will just change its position or harrass elsewhere.

This must be bait.

Obviously you reposition in order to zone them from your third/wherever the timing attack is taking place. If you only make two then that secures your third. And no, they can't reposition because if you use proper spore positioning then they can't do a damn thing; they're ZONED from your third. Maybe you should actually try it instead of theorycrafting.


Yeah brigehead and dash terminal says hi.
And this is how i know you dont even play the game.

currently #1 masters with a 80% winrate. Granted I haven't played in like two years but I was rank 1 GM for a while when I did.

I love getting "told" by golds. just stop.


Actually, before you tell anyone off I'd like to see some proof of your claims. Bullshitting doesn't really fly in this forum.


do you really need to ask for proof when an 8 post TL account walks into a balance thread and claims he was #1 gm? lol


I'm guessing that's LRM)kenzy. Was active in brood war but not sure how much he competed in sc2.


What's the reason why zergs aren't going fast 4 gas? Every zerg I've played is still trying to get a 3rd base on hatchery tech and I don't think that's okay against liberator/hellbat. Delaying with spore/spine works very well against liberators but when you go 3 hatch before lair, your tech just doesn't seem to come out in time.


even if you go for a 3 minute lair muta build (which is fastest optimal lair with gas-pool speedling build), the liberator hellbat push comes much earlier and denies you from mining at both bases, leaving you mineral dry for a long period while terran can afford to get a 3rd base behind it. The problem with only having 2 bases is that you won't have a decent drone count if you intend to hold the next terran push after liberator opening unless he goes mech.

that said I'm trying to figure out how 2 base lair roach openings work to prevent him from pushing me with liberator - as he will have to defend his own base, but this build has a weakness to a well microd tank drop. It feels rather coinflippy at the moment, I feel like liberators should require fusion core tech because they are simply too strong early on. I'm playing vs the top gm lotv terrans most of the time so that would be the source of this opinion
kenzy_5g
Profile Joined April 2015
13 Posts
August 31 2015 04:30 GMT
#293
On August 31 2015 01:51 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 12:54 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 30 2015 04:43 DeepBurrow wrote:
On August 30 2015 02:40 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:59 parkufarku wrote:
On August 28 2015 13:52 kenzy_5g wrote:
No they're not imba. Actually to hold off the early-midgame push with liberators and hellbats, just make a spore or two. It's what I do and I'm grandmaster.

You can uproot and move em all around to defend your third, etc.


by the time you reposition and uproot, liberator will just change its position or harrass elsewhere.

This must be bait.

Obviously you reposition in order to zone them from your third/wherever the timing attack is taking place. If you only make two then that secures your third. And no, they can't reposition because if you use proper spore positioning then they can't do a damn thing; they're ZONED from your third. Maybe you should actually try it instead of theorycrafting.


Yeah brigehead and dash terminal says hi.
And this is how i know you dont even play the game.

currently #1 masters with a 80% winrate. Granted I haven't played in like two years but I was rank 1 GM for a while when I did.

I love getting "told" by golds. just stop.


Actually, before you tell anyone off I'd like to see some proof of your claims. Bullshitting doesn't really fly in this forum.

http://i.imgur.com/gFBwFqI.png

Haven't played in 2 days but I was at the time of that post #1
kenzy_5g
Profile Joined April 2015
13 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-31 04:34:57
August 31 2015 04:31 GMT
#294
On August 31 2015 10:16 GGzerG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 12:54 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 30 2015 04:43 DeepBurrow wrote:
On August 30 2015 02:40 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:59 parkufarku wrote:
On August 28 2015 13:52 kenzy_5g wrote:
No they're not imba. Actually to hold off the early-midgame push with liberators and hellbats, just make a spore or two. It's what I do and I'm grandmaster.

You can uproot and move em all around to defend your third, etc.


by the time you reposition and uproot, liberator will just change its position or harrass elsewhere.

This must be bait.

Obviously you reposition in order to zone them from your third/wherever the timing attack is taking place. If you only make two then that secures your third. And no, they can't reposition because if you use proper spore positioning then they can't do a damn thing; they're ZONED from your third. Maybe you should actually try it instead of theorycrafting.


Yeah brigehead and dash terminal says hi.
And this is how i know you dont even play the game.

currently #1 masters with a 80% winrate. Granted I haven't played in like two years but I was rank 1 GM for a while when I did.

I love getting "told" by golds. just stop.

lol Kenzy you are so full of it man, you aren't #1 masters with 80% win rate ( Even if you are in LOTV, this means nothing) , and you sure as hell were never #1 GM ( In HOTS or LOTV)

Please stop.

Or go prove it in a 1v1, whichever.

I definitely was back in the day. Seriously man? Fuck outta here with your baseless assumptions. Granted it was with abusing infestor/BL but still.

You guys are so insane with your bullshit claims saying spores don't work vs the lib/hellbat push. Any terran here can add me and try it against me. I'd love to see it.

EDIT: One more thing, I brought up my rank only to validate my claim. Like I said if you guys don't believe me it's fine; I have the time to play vs any Terran here who thinks spores won't work.
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
August 31 2015 05:13 GMT
#295
On August 31 2015 11:00 EonuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2015 09:33 knyttym wrote:
On August 31 2015 07:45 BluemoonSC wrote:
On August 31 2015 01:51 Zealously wrote:
On August 30 2015 12:54 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 30 2015 04:43 DeepBurrow wrote:
On August 30 2015 02:40 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:59 parkufarku wrote:
On August 28 2015 13:52 kenzy_5g wrote:
No they're not imba. Actually to hold off the early-midgame push with liberators and hellbats, just make a spore or two. It's what I do and I'm grandmaster.

You can uproot and move em all around to defend your third, etc.


by the time you reposition and uproot, liberator will just change its position or harrass elsewhere.

This must be bait.

Obviously you reposition in order to zone them from your third/wherever the timing attack is taking place. If you only make two then that secures your third. And no, they can't reposition because if you use proper spore positioning then they can't do a damn thing; they're ZONED from your third. Maybe you should actually try it instead of theorycrafting.


Yeah brigehead and dash terminal says hi.
And this is how i know you dont even play the game.

currently #1 masters with a 80% winrate. Granted I haven't played in like two years but I was rank 1 GM for a while when I did.

I love getting "told" by golds. just stop.


Actually, before you tell anyone off I'd like to see some proof of your claims. Bullshitting doesn't really fly in this forum.


do you really need to ask for proof when an 8 post TL account walks into a balance thread and claims he was #1 gm? lol


I'm guessing that's LRM)kenzy. Was active in brood war but not sure how much he competed in sc2.


What's the reason why zergs aren't going fast 4 gas? Every zerg I've played is still trying to get a 3rd base on hatchery tech and I don't think that's okay against liberator/hellbat. Delaying with spore/spine works very well against liberators but when you go 3 hatch before lair, your tech just doesn't seem to come out in time.


even if you go for a 3 minute lair muta build (which is fastest optimal lair with gas-pool speedling build), the liberator hellbat push comes much earlier and denies you from mining at both bases, leaving you mineral dry for a long period while terran can afford to get a 3rd base behind it. The problem with only having 2 bases is that you won't have a decent drone count if you intend to hold the next terran push after liberator opening unless he goes mech.

that said I'm trying to figure out how 2 base lair roach openings work to prevent him from pushing me with liberator - as he will have to defend his own base, but this build has a weakness to a well microd tank drop. It feels rather coinflippy at the moment, I feel like liberators should require fusion core tech because they are simply too strong early on. I'm playing vs the top gm lotv terrans most of the time so that would be the source of this opinion


Its all about that first scout around I think it's 3 min..gotta double check that timing.

I can't even tell you the last time Ive been on the receiving end of tank drop harass tho bc all I play is zvz and zvp these days when I 1v1
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EazyMoney96
Profile Joined August 2015
20 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-31 17:58:59
August 31 2015 15:40 GMT
#296
The problem is that it forces air, Just like early Cyclones you need phoenix to pick them up and shoot them with blink stalkers, now you need stargate against Liberators,

Same for Zerg, you really need Spire.

Its such BS, The buff they got needs to reversed, they where good before to but not this early in the game.

You never see Banshee at all cuz there is no god damn point
nixi
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden39 Posts
August 31 2015 16:46 GMT
#297
I'm currently gm zerg (lotv) and altough I agree that the liberator is very strong I don't think blizzard should nerf it just yet. Every time I've lost against liberator hellbat push I feel as if I could have done better, making spores earlier or positioned them better. Maybe they can be abused on a particular map which makes them impossible to deal with and if that's the case maybe the map should be adressed instead as I'm sure someone has already suggested.

A unit such as the lurker or liberator should be strong if positioned correctly on the battlefield. This is my opinion right now and I might be wrong but all I'm saying is to give it some time.
kenzy_5g
Profile Joined April 2015
13 Posts
August 31 2015 16:47 GMT
#298
On September 01 2015 01:46 nixi wrote:
I'm currently gm zerg (lotv) and altough I agree that the liberator is very strong I don't think blizzard should nerf it just yet. Every time I've lost against liberator hellbat push I feel as if I could have done better, making spores earlier or positioned them better. Maybe they can be abused on a particular map which makes them impossible to deal with and if that's the case maybe the map should be adressed instead as I'm sure someone has already suggested.

A unit such as the lurker or liberator should be strong if positioned correctly on the battlefield. This is my opinion right now and I might be wrong but all I'm saying is to give it some time.

Thank you for having a brain.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10686 Posts
August 31 2015 17:04 GMT
#299
On August 31 2015 13:31 kenzy_5g wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2015 10:16 GGzerG wrote:
On August 30 2015 12:54 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 30 2015 04:43 DeepBurrow wrote:
On August 30 2015 02:40 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:59 parkufarku wrote:
On August 28 2015 13:52 kenzy_5g wrote:
No they're not imba. Actually to hold off the early-midgame push with liberators and hellbats, just make a spore or two. It's what I do and I'm grandmaster.

You can uproot and move em all around to defend your third, etc.


by the time you reposition and uproot, liberator will just change its position or harrass elsewhere.

This must be bait.

Obviously you reposition in order to zone them from your third/wherever the timing attack is taking place. If you only make two then that secures your third. And no, they can't reposition because if you use proper spore positioning then they can't do a damn thing; they're ZONED from your third. Maybe you should actually try it instead of theorycrafting.


Yeah brigehead and dash terminal says hi.
And this is how i know you dont even play the game.

currently #1 masters with a 80% winrate. Granted I haven't played in like two years but I was rank 1 GM for a while when I did.

I love getting "told" by golds. just stop.

lol Kenzy you are so full of it man, you aren't #1 masters with 80% win rate ( Even if you are in LOTV, this means nothing) , and you sure as hell were never #1 GM ( In HOTS or LOTV)

Please stop.

Or go prove it in a 1v1, whichever.

Fuck outta here with your baseless assumptions.

You guys are so insane with your bullshit claims

EDIT: One more thing, I brought up my rank only to validate my claim.

How can you bring up your rank to validate a claim when you have NO PROOF to VALIDATE your CLAIM? Being rank 12 Masters in LOTV means nothing, I am floating around 50~70 Grandmaster Zerg in LOTV, GM Zerg in HOTS and yea, stating that Spores will save you from Liberators that can shoot your mineral line outside of the range of the spores, is something a low level Zerg would say. Kinda like a Zerg floating around rank 12 masters in LOTV.
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RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
August 31 2015 17:11 GMT
#300
On September 01 2015 02:04 GGzerG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2015 13:31 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 31 2015 10:16 GGzerG wrote:
On August 30 2015 12:54 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 30 2015 04:43 DeepBurrow wrote:
On August 30 2015 02:40 kenzy_5g wrote:
On August 29 2015 05:59 parkufarku wrote:
On August 28 2015 13:52 kenzy_5g wrote:
No they're not imba. Actually to hold off the early-midgame push with liberators and hellbats, just make a spore or two. It's what I do and I'm grandmaster.

You can uproot and move em all around to defend your third, etc.


by the time you reposition and uproot, liberator will just change its position or harrass elsewhere.

This must be bait.

Obviously you reposition in order to zone them from your third/wherever the timing attack is taking place. If you only make two then that secures your third. And no, they can't reposition because if you use proper spore positioning then they can't do a damn thing; they're ZONED from your third. Maybe you should actually try it instead of theorycrafting.


Yeah brigehead and dash terminal says hi.
And this is how i know you dont even play the game.

currently #1 masters with a 80% winrate. Granted I haven't played in like two years but I was rank 1 GM for a while when I did.

I love getting "told" by golds. just stop.

lol Kenzy you are so full of it man, you aren't #1 masters with 80% win rate ( Even if you are in LOTV, this means nothing) , and you sure as hell were never #1 GM ( In HOTS or LOTV)

Please stop.

Or go prove it in a 1v1, whichever.

Fuck outta here with your baseless assumptions.

You guys are so insane with your bullshit claims

EDIT: One more thing, I brought up my rank only to validate my claim.

How can you bring up your rank to validate a claim when you have NO PROOF to VALIDATE your CLAIM? Being rank 12 Masters in LOTV means nothing, I am floating around 50~70 Grandmaster Zerg in LOTV, GM Zerg in HOTS and yea, stating that Spores will save you from Liberators that can shoot your mineral line outside of the range of the spores, is something a low level Zerg would say. Kinda like a Zerg floating around rank 12 masters in LOTV.

Thats kinda rough to say. Most low level zergs would not say stuff like that
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