[Patch 6.20] Ivern General Discussion - Page 5

On October 13 2016 05:02 Jek wrote:
Have there ever been a pre-season where they didn't make major jungle overhauls?

On October 13 2016 05:58 Fildun wrote:
Hmmm, I don't like how they bind the "I want to make my allies die slower" thing to supports only.
First FotM, now Locket gone for tank junglers, I hope they get something in return.

Enter Plants. We’re introducing interactive plants into the game and spawning them with some degree of variance. These plants should give junglers - and to some degree, other players - impactful decisions to make, without tying those choices to Smite.

On October 12 2016 22:20 Jek wrote:
Oppressor is for movement impairment, which blind is not. It work with his shrooms.

If you start with Guradian's I think you should wait for corrupting potion (huuuuge advantage for early trades) it only take 10 seconds iirc. It's the cheesy 1v1 version of the current "wait for aegis" meta on tanks in regular aram.

I'd go for hybrid reds instead, especially if you're not going full AP which I honestly think would be bad as you can just go Cowl+sustain into Visage and wear the AP variant down for the gg ez. Another alternative could be AS reds too to win the early push forcing the opponent to either tank minion damage or allow some easy chip damage. AD reds if you start with LS seems like a better option.

After some consideration LS quints would probably the best and allow you to stay in lane forever. Sustain is king when you cannot recall for health.

I think Shiv (or hurricane I suppose) would probably be the best first buys simply because you can push so much faster without using mana. Dont look to trade, look to push and chip damage get the sustain from masteries instead of additional items.

For masteries I'd go 12/7/12 if you wait for corrupting.
Stash+Corruping = super good good.
the 11 and 12 for Vampirism and Perserverance. Resolves and Ferocity's 12th point seem bad for 1v1.

and 18/0/12 if you dont wait for corrupting
Warlord and Perserverance

or 9/17/4
For Vampirism, Percision and Recovery.

Fervor is only really worth if you look for kills, which you shouldn't - no reason to play risky when a sustain build would just do small trades and win over time.

If the opponent is going AP just grab banner and upgrade all cannons.

On October 13 2016 05:02 Jek wrote:
Have there ever been a pre-season where they didn't make major jungle overhauls?

On October 13 2016 06:54 nafta wrote:

One of the consistent things about riot is that the jungle changes never work out how they want them to. I wouldn't worry too much.

Honestly I do like the general direction that riot have been moving the game in as far as soloq/5s are concerned. Kinda ironic this is the season I have played the least though lol.

On October 13 2016 08:53 Scip wrote:
"We want to introduce more variance between the camps, so players can have stronger preferences about which camps to prioritize, rather than merely clearing whatever is nearby and available."
Normally I actually have a decent amount of faith in Riot but let me wager they severely underestimate the amount of strength variance required for this to happen.

On October 13 2016 09:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
seems like this favors junglers who have the ability to dash/ blink or otherwise travel across walls somehow. idk how i feel about the added randomness either.

On October 13 2016 11:24 DiracMonopole wrote:


Riot making changes that favor lee sin/elise/nidalee, how could anyone have predicted this?

On October 13 2016 14:32 Scip wrote:
How about this: remake the whole map
split each jungle camp into 2 different ones: let's say next to wolves you'd have like a really tanky turtle that dealt very little damage
hitting 1 part of the camp doesn't aggro the other part
as soon as you kill anyone from one half of the camp, the entire second part of the camp runs away, disappearing giving no gold and exp.

This allows for more jungle diversity, allowing both AoE and single target junglers to kill the parts of the camp with a lot of small dudes/one big dude respectively, it allows for both tanky and low sustain junglers by providing both camps with high hp low dmg and low hp high damage in the end giving more or less the same rewards to everyone

and rename it from jungle to the swedish forest
embrace the equality of outcome

On October 13 2016 16:11 iCanada wrote:
I don't think the jungle is broken.

-.-

If you don't like jungling that's fine, but some of us do.