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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
1. He cannot 1-shot the big wolf or the big raptor with consume. This makes his counterjungling much less effective than it needs to be. 2. A lot of the EXP and gold is now in small monsters, so he cannot do the trolly things he used to. I don't understand why they didn't make the "well fed" buff like feast where it just falls off (or halves) on death instead of a timer. Seems like a needless loss in efficacy during baron/dragon dances or turret sieges. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On one hand, his early game is awful because he takes damage before he gets camp experience. On the other hand, his early game is awesome because you can buffer golems then insta clear red, and buffer wraiths with Q start and be at a lane with Q & E level 2 at like 1:50, then collect your camps and be on par with the other jungler if it doesn't work out, and be ahead if you get the kill. Its like Lee Sin level 2 ganks except you still get to farm. But if you run into an enemy jungler you dead as fuck, because after that first smite you get zero experience for like a 30s buffer behind the enemy jungler. There are big windows where you will be at 50% HP and an enemy jungler that left his jungle can come kill you before you collect your camps, then take your camps. He feels hella vulnerable to like a Lee Sin or Nidalee for example. Or even like a Nunu / Shyvana could likely shut him down hard. His dueling is awful. He will flat out die so easily to common junglers. Just my first impressions. Thinking movespeed quints with Magic pen reds and AP blues. Prolly Armor yellows to protect from invade? I dunno. Maybe HP/5, he gets real low in jungle. You can also start like Gromp + Blue then instant smite enemy red too, which you can then potentially quick gank or continue to farm. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
I dunno, I'ma throw in like 50 games or so on him, but I feel like you need to be way smarter than the other jungler or you just lose. Or you hard snowball from ganks. His ganks from behind with E slow -> Q are free as hell. Same with FlashQ->E. You need Skirmisher Sabre for sure, just to not die 1v1. You can clear a side of the jungle real quick with Smite by doing a camp, doing second with smite, then going back to the other one. Feels good when you invade, but makes you can't actually fight any of their jungles... which I pretty much only play Lee, Elise and Nid typically, so this requires some adjustment. I think he has potential to take over games. He kind of scares me in that I don't think he can 1v9 the same way an Elise / Lee / Nid can. If I snowball all my lanes and they are retarded then you straight up cannot carry your team. Q especially feels awkward when you land and people just dont take it. I guess thats how Thresh' feel. I kind of feel like he might be trash at like plat or lower due to this inability to 1v9, but I also think he might be trash past that too because at that point jungles start to become better at pining down weaker early game junglers too. I wanna become better at teamfighting with him before I really make a judgement. He feels like he has potential. You can't grove Drake / Baron, but with Daisy tanking he can pretty much solo either. Although it is hella hella slow. Impractical for sure. Also, Ivern Q is trash for peeling, guaranteed to get a teammate to reposition themselves into death. Better not to, at least at this point. Unless guy is going to die and is running for his life and not trying to kite. He seems better at enabling a diver on your team than defending your team. Would be money with like Irelia, Jax, Pantheon... Likely even better with shit like Nasus, Garen, Mundo, Olaf, Darius, Moredekaiser, Singed, Swain, Illaoi etc | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
On October 06 2016 06:55 Sent. wrote: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/competitive/riot-pls-ranked-pls-2017-season-ranked-changes yay On the other hand they remove ranked5s again and replace it with a flexqueue with rank restrictions for playing together... nay | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4186 Posts
Another annoying moment is when you fight close to bush and an enemy hides in it, I press for ward and my guy freezes and I lose the flow of the fight... | ||
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Sent.
Poland9331 Posts
Every 6 attacks (attacks while in brush count as 2, attacks against structures do not count), Caitlyn will fire a headshot, dealing either 150% damage to a champion or 250% damage to a minion. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4186 Posts
On October 06 2016 21:00 Sent. wrote: I discovered INSANE syngergy between Cait and Ivern. He can create bushes for Cait in teamfights so she can proc her passive faster! Here is your synergy xD | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On October 06 2016 14:26 cLutZ wrote: His free blink is, from 1 game of seeing it, hilariously good with Toplane Malphite. Yeah I played him with a Darius top in one of my games. Darius carried so hard. Enemy rumble top died to my lvl 2 insta gank then just on shit on real hard. Then with IvernE Darius had infinite sustain and sticking power in late game fights and with IvernQ he gapclosed and shit all over anything I hit. Ivern prolly best with melee carries. His E Shield gives like 3k hp in a team fight on top of the disgusting 70% slow. Ivern turns Darius into a Dota style melee carry. On October 06 2016 19:13 Gahlo wrote: Can you use his root to zip into Drgon/Baron pits? Yes sir. Ive had relativev success, 3 wins 2 losses, but I haven't played him into a good enemy jungler yet. Sample size also is hilariously low. I'm really scared you'll just fall over and be completely shit on. I would feel quite confident in being able to style on and finish the game in 20 minutes if I got to pick Lee or Nidalee into an Ivern. Only game where I felt I won due to my kit though instead of being along for the carry ride was the above game with Darius. Only saving grace for ivern is he doesn't scale with gold that well and can likely 2v2 quite well. So even if you're getting run over you're not completely fucked maybe. He's definitely super vulnerable; you lose HP before you get xp. And you cannot contest camps at all even to just steal your own big creep back. | ||
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lilwisper
United States2515 Posts
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2016/10/road-to-pre-season-replays-on-horizon.html | ||
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General_Winter
United States719 Posts
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kongoline
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
it makes bushing yourself for an auto very clunky. | ||
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kongoline
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