EPT[Patch 6.20] Ivern General Discussion - Page 3
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On October 07 2016 07:51 ticklishmusic wrote: hmm, does collecting a grove count as a kill for the purposes of hunter's potion? yeah it does. Think ages works as well but havent done that one. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
I really don't like the pink ward/invisibility change. Their reasoning is borderline retarded imo. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
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Complete
United States1864 Posts
I keep getting "Unspecified error occurred. Please check the logs for more information." | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On October 09 2016 04:27 Complete wrote: Anybody having trouble getting to the LoL login screen? I keep getting "Unspecified error occurred. Please check the logs for more information." there was a little marker in client telling people that there have been some issues with login. dunno any more than that. standard "we're looking into it" message. | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On October 08 2016 20:40 Gahlo wrote: Is it possible to hide dragon or baron in Ivern's bushes? Have it done against us. It's possible to block all line of sight to them. Dont know if you have to use multiple bushes due to their sheer size, but it's certainly possible to block vision on them. You can do the same on buffs too. It's cheesy as hell. There's a lot of cheeky places he can place them so he can look around corners but you cannot see him or the bush. Quite an interesting mechanic. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On October 09 2016 07:22 Jek wrote: Have it done against us. It's possible to block all line of sight to them. Dont know if you have to use multiple bushes due to their sheer size, but it's certainly possible to block vision on them. You can do the same on buffs too. It's cheesy as hell. There's a lot of cheeky places he can place them so he can look around corners but you cannot see him or the bush. Quite an interesting mechanic. best way it do it is to place the bush between the dragon and the ward/entrance so they no one is standing inside it to reveal themselves, but they block LOS. The range on the brush-making is crazy long. i imagine there is a lot of shenaniganery you can pull with it. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
I'm sure it is much the same if you were to pick Elise or Nidalee instead. Tree is so easy to track in his jungle and is just so easy to kill. He really needs buffs to his clear damage. Like he needs to take half as much damage otherwise the only time you want to pick him is if you have advantages in every lane or atleast half the map (ie Mid + bot or Mid+top) so the other jungler can't feel safe coming into your jungle; in which case you can push the tempo with Ganks for your lanes and hard snowball. I also think Daisy is really clunky and needs some work as a skill. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On October 09 2016 12:43 iCanada wrote: I just played Lee Sin into Ivern... Yikes that was the free-est game. I'm sure it is much the same if you were to pick Elise or Nidalee instead. Tree is so easy to track in his jungle and is just so easy to kill. He really needs buffs to his clear damage. Like he needs to take half as much damage otherwise the only time you want to pick him is if you have advantages in every lane or atleast half the map (ie Mid + bot or Mid+top) so the other jungler can't feel safe coming into your jungle; in which case you can push the tempo with Ganks for your lanes and hard snowball. I also think Daisy is really clunky and needs some work as a skill. He's gotta be the worst base stat Melee champ in the game, ignoring unmounted kled. I understand not wanting him to be oppressive an counter jungle centric, but if you dont want a counter jungle champ why give them the ability to clear any camp in 2 seconds. He has 10 more base Hp than lee. 20 less HP per level, .525 less base HP regen and .09 Less regen growth, 11.75 Less base AD, 1.0 Less AD growth, .07 Less Base AS, and .6% less AS growth, 2 less base armor and 1.7 Less Armor Growth, and 20 less movespeed. The only jungler with worse base stats than him is Nidalee, in ranged form only. and that's an unfair comparison because she has 6 combat spells instead of 3, and longer range. If you Want to make Ivern playable in the jungle His numbers need changing, whether thats on his abilities, or his base stats/stat growth There is no reason that he's a jungler that you want to flash farm with, but the gap between him and his opponents grow with each level, At least give him better damage on his W if you want him to be able to scrap in the jungle. 30 at lvl 1 means you gotta take it at lvl 3 or 4, because it's not worth the sacrifice of mobility or survivability. 50/55/60/65/70 or 40/47.5/55/62.5/70 instead of 20/30/40/50/60 would be interesting. and give him some ability to juke around in the trees. i Dunno his playstyle seems completely counter to a jungler as is. he wants to be able to spend smite in the opponents jungle for free camps, but has to completely avoid the other jungler, while being slower than them. Why does Ivern struggle to outrun an opposing jungler even after buying boots. i've got the hang of daisy though. Im into it. The biggest oversight i've seen is that when you collect a camp, you don't get that heal pack you get for killing the camp. why not? | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
He gets so low after setting up groves, he becomes like 1 or 2 shot-able... and if the other jungler finds him through the beacons flashing him towards the tree, he gets to just literally destroy the whole last 45 seconds of Iverns time while taking away his ability to get experience for the next minute. You can ding level 4 then walk into Iverns jungle and guaranteed he is still level 3 at half HP walking to collect his groves. If you kill him here he is so incredibly fucked. You leave his jungle level 5 and he is still level 3. Then he only has one place to go, the other side of his jungle which is now spawning, so you meet him there at level 5 and it is even easier to kill him. Now you are full retard big and can walk wherever you want because a 2 level lead this early in the game is just completely disgusting. Ivern may as well AFK because his jungle is now yours and all he can do is try to gank and pick up scrap XP when you show on the other side of the map. At that point Ivern is too weak to even try to make a play on that side of the map because chances are laners can kill him if he tries. I think it is fine to have him weak early, but if he dies early game he is exponentially more fucked than any other jungler if they die early. And it doesn't matter what jungler you are, if you die to the other jungler you are pretty fucked. They need to give him an early game boost. He has so much potential to just be completely pushed out of the game early for very little reward lategame. He is a good champion lategame, but not exactly one who is good enough to be worth potentially being forcefed your lunch the way he can be. Ivern is like old Nasus before they literally tripled his sustain from his passive, gave him like 100 more base HP, and halfed the mana cost of his W and E. I think he should get the HP back from collecting the grove, and I also think he should get half the XP when he plants the grove, and half the XP from collecting it. Or 1/3rd of it when he plants, and 2/3 when he collects. And even then I think he needs his base stats nudged up a bit. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Its weird, he feels like Shaco to me. Every early game with this champ is a shit show. IWDominate really likes Ivern, so there could be something there. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
but daisy is crazy strong. nearly guaranteed tower/dragon on cooldown if you play your cards well. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
And you are guaranteed to be that low. Even if you dont get the leash, if you path smartly and jungle well you won't be real low, even if you picked like Eve or something else equally real bad at jungling. He is a cool champ, he just feels hard to carry on, and real real risky early. I dunno, he feels like Nunu with Shaco's early game. That being said, I have the feeling he'll start feeling more like Thresh and less like Nunu when other players get better at his Q. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
then again. people never really stopped falling for that in the past. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On October 09 2016 18:01 PrinceXizor wrote: I wonder if IWD's success on ivern will dip when people stop always falling for the red buff -> mid lane lvl 2 gank. then again. people never really stopped falling for that in the past. It's the same as shaco really. I mean ivern gets a free camp from smite every so often, but every other camp is an investment. You don't even have to kill ivern, if you play something that can counterjungle fast, just taking the camps is already going to set ivern stupidly far behind. | ||
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