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On July 25 2013 05:49 silencefc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 05:20 IMoperator wrote:
I'm glad that Vayne's getting nerfed though, she's way too strong right now. All you need is a bork and your midgame is godlike. You can duel any adc easily, and since Cait/Draven/Varus got nerfed and how everyone runs lifesteal quints, her early game isn't bad enough to offset her lategame. I feel like the only reason she's being considered for nerfs is because they already nerfed the Marksmen that were better than her. It's like arresting drug dealers, another champ will just replace Vayne as the new strong popular.
it's botrk. that item is such a stupid piece of shit.
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On July 25 2013 06:01 Amui wrote:
TBH corki is much more of a BT champ than a BotRK champ. He scales rather poorly off AS(shitty BAT), and has pretty damn good AD ratio's on his E and R. That along with the fact that so much of his damage is spell reliant makes BotRK rather unattractive.
Not to mention how strong his passive's true damage component is, I'd rather build AD over AS on him just for that.
inc math showing me how I'm wrong
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On July 25 2013 06:01 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:00 wei2coolman wrote:On July 25 2013 05:57 TheYango wrote:On July 25 2013 05:55 wei2coolman wrote:On July 25 2013 05:54 TheYango wrote:
Still waiting for someone to play Elder Lizard + Gauntlet Corki. Maybe if it was pre-nerf Elder Lizard... Elder Lizard so underwhelming as an item now. Actually Corki might be good when Bulwark is removed. Gauntlet+Cleaver works to similar effect, with a better transition to BotRK. I think BC is overrated on Corki; Gattling gun is such a unwieldy skill to use; especially considering the kiting/orbwalking nature of his kit. It'd be great in a 1v1 duel against a tanky dude; but don't see it being "amazing" build for him. thats the point of the gauntlet.
I don't get what you mean?
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On July 25 2013 06:02 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:01 Amui wrote:
TBH corki is much more of a BT champ than a BotRK champ. He scales rather poorly off AS(shitty BAT), and has pretty damn good AD ratio's on his E and R. That along with the fact that so much of his damage is spell reliant makes BotRK rather unattractive. Not to mention how strong his passive's true damage component is, I'd rather build AD over AS on him just for that. inc math showing me how I'm wrong
His true damage is a % multiplier on his DPS regardless of whether it's AS or AD-heavy. I don't need math to show this.
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On July 25 2013 06:04 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:02 Requizen wrote:On July 25 2013 06:01 Amui wrote:
TBH corki is much more of a BT champ than a BotRK champ. He scales rather poorly off AS(shitty BAT), and has pretty damn good AD ratio's on his E and R. That along with the fact that so much of his damage is spell reliant makes BotRK rather unattractive. Not to mention how strong his passive's true damage component is, I'd rather build AD over AS on him just for that. inc math showing me how I'm wrong His true damage is a % multiplier on his DPS regardless of whether it's AS or AD-heavy. I don't need math to show this.
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Corki
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On July 25 2013 06:04 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:02 Requizen wrote:On July 25 2013 06:01 Amui wrote:
TBH corki is much more of a BT champ than a BotRK champ. He scales rather poorly off AS(shitty BAT), and has pretty damn good AD ratio's on his E and R. That along with the fact that so much of his damage is spell reliant makes BotRK rather unattractive. Not to mention how strong his passive's true damage component is, I'd rather build AD over AS on him just for that. inc math showing me how I'm wrong His true damage is a % multiplier on his DPS regardless of whether it's AS or AD-heavy. I don't need math to show this.
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it doesn't multiply on hit or crit so those builds will be impacted by it significantly less.
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It'd take A LOT more than a few vayne nerfs to make people even consider playing corki.He is really terrible compared to your average ad.
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On July 25 2013 06:02 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:01 Slusher wrote:On July 25 2013 06:00 wei2coolman wrote:On July 25 2013 05:57 TheYango wrote:On July 25 2013 05:55 wei2coolman wrote:On July 25 2013 05:54 TheYango wrote:
Still waiting for someone to play Elder Lizard + Gauntlet Corki. Maybe if it was pre-nerf Elder Lizard... Elder Lizard so underwhelming as an item now. Actually Corki might be good when Bulwark is removed. Gauntlet+Cleaver works to similar effect, with a better transition to BotRK. I think BC is overrated on Corki; Gattling gun is such a unwieldy skill to use; especially considering the kiting/orbwalking nature of his kit. It'd be great in a 1v1 duel against a tanky dude; but don't see it being "amazing" build for him. thats the point of the gauntlet. I don't get what you mean?
it allows for more leeway to be facing the enemy while kiting, or holding them in it if chasing.
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On July 25 2013 06:06 nafta wrote:
It'd take A LOT more than a few vayne nerfs to make people even consider playing corki.He is really terrible compared to your average ad.
Not actually. The last mana buff boosted him from ~46% WR to pretty much exactly 50%. That's pretty well in line with every other AD that sees play competitively
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On July 25 2013 06:04 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:04 TheYango wrote:On July 25 2013 06:02 Requizen wrote:On July 25 2013 06:01 Amui wrote:
TBH corki is much more of a BT champ than a BotRK champ. He scales rather poorly off AS(shitty BAT), and has pretty damn good AD ratio's on his E and R. That along with the fact that so much of his damage is spell reliant makes BotRK rather unattractive. Not to mention how strong his passive's true damage component is, I'd rather build AD over AS on him just for that. inc math showing me how I'm wrong His true damage is a % multiplier on his DPS regardless of whether it's AS or AD-heavy. I don't need math to show this. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Corki.....
And?
If i have 100 Damage and Attack once a second, my passive is adding 10 DPS. If I buy AD to do twice as much damage or AS to attack twice as quickly, Corki's passive adds the same amount of DPS in both cases--that is if I have 200 AD and attack once a second, the passive is adding 20 true damage to each attack for 20 DPS, and if I have 100 AD and attack twice a second, the passive is adding 10 true damage to each attack but it's still 20 DPS because I'm attacking twice as fast.
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On July 25 2013 06:02 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:01 Amui wrote:
TBH corki is much more of a BT champ than a BotRK champ. He scales rather poorly off AS(shitty BAT), and has pretty damn good AD ratio's on his E and R. That along with the fact that so much of his damage is spell reliant makes BotRK rather unattractive. Not to mention how strong his passive's true damage component is, I'd rather build AD over AS on him just for that.
Tell that to Genja.
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On July 25 2013 06:09 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:04 wei2coolman wrote:On July 25 2013 06:04 TheYango wrote:On July 25 2013 06:02 Requizen wrote:On July 25 2013 06:01 Amui wrote:
TBH corki is much more of a BT champ than a BotRK champ. He scales rather poorly off AS(shitty BAT), and has pretty damn good AD ratio's on his E and R. That along with the fact that so much of his damage is spell reliant makes BotRK rather unattractive. Not to mention how strong his passive's true damage component is, I'd rather build AD over AS on him just for that. inc math showing me how I'm wrong His true damage is a % multiplier on his DPS regardless of whether it's AS or AD-heavy. I don't need math to show this. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Corki..... And? If i have 100 Damage and Attack once a second, my passive is adding 10 DPS. If I buy AD to do twice as much damage or AS to attack twice as quickly, Corki's passive adds the same amount of DPS in both cases--that is if I have 200 AD and attack once a second, the passive is adding 20 true damage to each attack for 20 DPS, and if I have 100 AD and attack twice a second, the passive is adding 10 true damage to each attack but it's still 20 DPS because I'm attacking twice as fast.
Oh; I thought you were including the BotRK Passive in the "DPS" part; that's why I was confused.
On July 25 2013 06:07 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:02 wei2coolman wrote:On July 25 2013 06:01 Slusher wrote:On July 25 2013 06:00 wei2coolman wrote:On July 25 2013 05:57 TheYango wrote:On July 25 2013 05:55 wei2coolman wrote:On July 25 2013 05:54 TheYango wrote:
Still waiting for someone to play Elder Lizard + Gauntlet Corki. Maybe if it was pre-nerf Elder Lizard... Elder Lizard so underwhelming as an item now. Actually Corki might be good when Bulwark is removed. Gauntlet+Cleaver works to similar effect, with a better transition to BotRK. I think BC is overrated on Corki; Gattling gun is such a unwieldy skill to use; especially considering the kiting/orbwalking nature of his kit. It'd be great in a 1v1 duel against a tanky dude; but don't see it being "amazing" build for him. thats the point of the gauntlet. I don't get what you mean? it allows for more leeway to be facing the enemy while kiting, or holding them in it if chasing.
Still not going to allow for full duration gatling; or even close to that. The reason IBG is so tempting of an item is due to the power creep of gap closer of champions, Corki still going to have to orb walk out the fight like any other ADC even with the slow.
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well AD is cheaper, but otherwise you are correct.
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On July 25 2013 06:01 Amui wrote:
TBH corki is much more of a BT champ than a BotRK champ. He scales rather poorly off AS(shitty BAT), and has pretty damn good AD ratio's on his E and R. That along with the fact that so much of his damage is spell reliant makes BotRK rather unattractive.
BT is awkward for Corki in a lot of ways even though he likes plain AD. It has a poorer buildup. It doesn't provide balanced stat. And it's power spike is split across 2 timings (once when you buy it and once when you max it out) rather than 1 strong peak when you finish the item.
BotRK is a more self-sufficient item, which makes it more attractive to a midgame-oriented carry who needs to hit earlier item timings and win the game due to the fact that he doesn't scale out well lategame but has strong midgame teamfight power on the basis of his spells' high base damage.
The inherent fit of BotRK to Corki's power curve outweighs the fact that BT might fit his kit slightly better.
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On July 25 2013 06:09 Lmui wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:06 nafta wrote:
It'd take A LOT more than a few vayne nerfs to make people even consider playing corki.He is really terrible compared to your average ad. Not actually. The last mana buff boosted him from ~46% WR to pretty much exactly 50%. That's pretty well in line with every other AD that sees play competitively
The champ is just best only if you have an aoe comp that keeps people cc-d and let's you do w/e you want.But in the same situation twitch for example is straight up better.
His model is just SO FAT.That actually hurts you a lot.He is just very immobile and his damage isn't amazing or anything.
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On July 25 2013 06:11 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:01 Amui wrote:
TBH corki is much more of a BT champ than a BotRK champ. He scales rather poorly off AS(shitty BAT), and has pretty damn good AD ratio's on his E and R. That along with the fact that so much of his damage is spell reliant makes BotRK rather unattractive. BT is awkward for Corki in a lot of ways even though he likes plain AD. It has a poorer buildup. It doesn't provide balanced stat. And it's power spike is split across 2 timings (once when you buy it and once when you max it out) rather than 1 strong peak when you finish the item. BotRK is a more self-sufficient item, which makes it more attractive to a midgame-oriented carry who needs to hit earlier item timings and win the game due to the fact that he doesn't scale out well lategame but has strong midgame teamfight power on the basis of his spells' high base damage. The inherent fit of BotRK to Corki's power curve outweighs the fact that BT might fit his kit slightly better.
That begs the question; what inherent advantage does this give Corki over current ADC's?
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On July 25 2013 06:09 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:04 wei2coolman wrote:On July 25 2013 06:04 TheYango wrote:On July 25 2013 06:02 Requizen wrote:On July 25 2013 06:01 Amui wrote:
TBH corki is much more of a BT champ than a BotRK champ. He scales rather poorly off AS(shitty BAT), and has pretty damn good AD ratio's on his E and R. That along with the fact that so much of his damage is spell reliant makes BotRK rather unattractive. Not to mention how strong his passive's true damage component is, I'd rather build AD over AS on him just for that. inc math showing me how I'm wrong His true damage is a % multiplier on his DPS regardless of whether it's AS or AD-heavy. I don't need math to show this. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Corki..... And? If i have 100 Damage and Attack once a second, my passive is adding 10 DPS. If I buy AD to do twice as much damage or AS to attack twice as quickly, Corki's passive adds the same amount of DPS in both cases--that is if I have 200 AD and attack once a second, the passive is adding 20 true damage to each attack for 20 DPS, and if I have 100 AD and attack twice a second, the passive is adding 10 true damage to each attack but it's still 20 DPS because I'm attacking twice as fast.
Well then that really depends on the pricepoint of each stat, doesn't it? AD also boosts your spells.
Also, unless you're DLift, when you're orb walking, you're going to clip your auto timer, so I consider AD better most times anyway unless you never have to kite.
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On July 25 2013 06:14 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:11 TheYango wrote:On July 25 2013 06:01 Amui wrote:
TBH corki is much more of a BT champ than a BotRK champ. He scales rather poorly off AS(shitty BAT), and has pretty damn good AD ratio's on his E and R. That along with the fact that so much of his damage is spell reliant makes BotRK rather unattractive. BT is awkward for Corki in a lot of ways even though he likes plain AD. It has a poorer buildup. It doesn't provide balanced stat. And it's power spike is split across 2 timings (once when you buy it and once when you max it out) rather than 1 strong peak when you finish the item. BotRK is a more self-sufficient item, which makes it more attractive to a midgame-oriented carry who needs to hit earlier item timings and win the game due to the fact that he doesn't scale out well lategame but has strong midgame teamfight power on the basis of his spells' high base damage. The inherent fit of BotRK to Corki's power curve outweighs the fact that BT might fit his kit slightly better. That begs the question; what inherent advantage does this give Corki over current ADC's?
he doesn't need BorRK to 1v1 non MARKSMEN
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On July 25 2013 06:17 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:14 wei2coolman wrote:On July 25 2013 06:11 TheYango wrote:On July 25 2013 06:01 Amui wrote:
TBH corki is much more of a BT champ than a BotRK champ. He scales rather poorly off AS(shitty BAT), and has pretty damn good AD ratio's on his E and R. That along with the fact that so much of his damage is spell reliant makes BotRK rather unattractive. BT is awkward for Corki in a lot of ways even though he likes plain AD. It has a poorer buildup. It doesn't provide balanced stat. And it's power spike is split across 2 timings (once when you buy it and once when you max it out) rather than 1 strong peak when you finish the item. BotRK is a more self-sufficient item, which makes it more attractive to a midgame-oriented carry who needs to hit earlier item timings and win the game due to the fact that he doesn't scale out well lategame but has strong midgame teamfight power on the basis of his spells' high base damage. The inherent fit of BotRK to Corki's power curve outweighs the fact that BT might fit his kit slightly better. That begs the question; what inherent advantage does this give Corki over current ADC's? he doesn't need BorRK to 1v1 non MARKSMEN
Niche already filled by Ez/Vayne/Quinn.
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On July 25 2013 06:18 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:17 Slusher wrote:On July 25 2013 06:14 wei2coolman wrote:On July 25 2013 06:11 TheYango wrote:On July 25 2013 06:01 Amui wrote:
TBH corki is much more of a BT champ than a BotRK champ. He scales rather poorly off AS(shitty BAT), and has pretty damn good AD ratio's on his E and R. That along with the fact that so much of his damage is spell reliant makes BotRK rather unattractive. BT is awkward for Corki in a lot of ways even though he likes plain AD. It has a poorer buildup. It doesn't provide balanced stat. And it's power spike is split across 2 timings (once when you buy it and once when you max it out) rather than 1 strong peak when you finish the item. BotRK is a more self-sufficient item, which makes it more attractive to a midgame-oriented carry who needs to hit earlier item timings and win the game due to the fact that he doesn't scale out well lategame but has strong midgame teamfight power on the basis of his spells' high base damage. The inherent fit of BotRK to Corki's power curve outweighs the fact that BT might fit his kit slightly better. That begs the question; what inherent advantage does this give Corki over current ADC's? he doesn't need BorRK to 1v1 non MARKSMEN Niche already filled by Ez/Vayne/Quinn.
Vayne kinda needs to condemn you into a wall if it's pre-botrk, Ez comes down more or less to skill (ask Midking l0l).
Quinn I'll give you
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