I'm a little surprised that CLG didn't just put Chauster on carry with goldenboy supporting him instead of this weird massive role rotation. o.O

Zzz is CLG even playing HALF seriously? Rylais on Yorick...

zulu_nation8

China26351 Posts

September 07 2012 04:41 GMT

#1766

when will chauster/doublelift realize their team is too heavy

barbsq

United States5348 Posts

September 07 2012 05:08 GMT

#1767

On September 07 2012 13:41 zulu_nation8 wrote:
when will chauster/doublelift realize their team is too heavy

when they change the team name to chauster lift gaming

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

September 07 2012 05:09 GMT

#1768

On September 07 2012 13:41 zulu_nation8 wrote:
when will chauster/doublelift realize their team is too heavy

Chauster carries doublelift, then doublelift carries rest of CLG.

jiji's got potential, but sometimes his plays are so questionable.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

September 07 2012 05:11 GMT

#1769

On September 07 2012 13:41 zulu_nation8 wrote:
when will chauster/doublelift realize their team is too heavy

Where do they go? Follow Saint to Curse? Is the Saint problem a HSGG thing? Any other path and they are behind where they are now by a significant margin.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

September 07 2012 05:15 GMT

#1770

On September 07 2012 14:11 cLutZ wrote:

Show nested quote +

Where do they go? Follow Saint to Curse? Is the Saint problem a HSGG thing? Any other path and they are behind where they are now by a significant margin.

Switch over to CLG.eu imo. Wick'd+Froggen+Chaulift+Snoopeh. That's pretty much a dream team right there.

Dgiese

United States2687 Posts

September 07 2012 05:35 GMT

#1771

I dunno if it even matters that their team is heavy, chau must be doing pretty well for himself as an orig member of Clg. One Of if not the biggest brand in the most popular game in the world... Is winning really worth more than that? (assuming he would have to swap teams to win, which isn't necessarily true)

Pretty crazy how good chau is, he's like a world class player in every role.

sob3k

United States7572 Posts

September 07 2012 05:46 GMT

#1772

On this topic what do you guys think is would be the current leagues dreamteam?

Nobody really pays attention to the korean players it seems, its all: "wow that team is really good", but nobody really gives them much acclaim for individual skill. I remember watching some games and being really impressed with some of their bot lanes though.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

September 07 2012 05:54 GMT

#1773

Froggen Maknoon Lilballz Chauster Weixiao

Though tbh, bot lane is a wash for me between a couple support/AD players mostly because it's hard to assess them independent of their coordination with each other.

Navi

5286 Posts

September 07 2012 05:55 GMT

#1774

if i would make a dream team out of current league players it would have to be known (or have a good estimation of) how personalities would conflict and who would lead and how the team chemistry would work out. i really liked loci's post earlier, ppl overestimate individual mechanical skill in their estimations of what makes a good player in this extremely team centric game. it would be pretty tough to make a dream team without knowing how these personalities would gel (or only knowing from the limited 2nd hand knowledge most of us observers have).

but if based on individual skill / fanboyism i would probably have like
lilballz jungle
chauster ad
froggen mid
lilac top
insert support here

Dgiese

United States2687 Posts

September 07 2012 05:56 GMT

#1775

Some combination of chauster, froggen, m5 and maybe that forrelon lord guy, only saw 1 game of him, but he looked pretty damn good against froggen. Oh and aphromoo, for equal opportunity
Oh I forgot lilballz and lilac. Oh well.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

September 07 2012 06:00 GMT

#1776

Dream team:
I'll treat botlane combo's as single group, since like yango said, it's hard to differentiate individual skill levels.
Botlane:Chau/Lift (though I would like to see a Gosupepper/aphromoo lane, dat poke aggression)
Midlane: Froggen (I think everyone has this guy as their mid for dream team, he's just so fucking good).
Jungle: St.V, still top tier player, just look at how much Crs as a team has improved since the 3 way trade. I think St. V had huge impact on Crs.
Top lane: It's really hard for me to gauge a good top laner. I feel that every tournament the best "top laner" changes, and is fairly inconsistent. But my favorite top laner has got to be WingsofDeathX, I really like the way he thinks about the game. Dyrus would be a solid pick as well, one of the few consistent top laners, rarely loses lane badly, but can also carry team, has pretty big breadth of champions as well.

Roffles

Pitcairn19291 Posts

September 07 2012 06:06 GMT

#1777

People have own preferences and opinions, but it's pretty clear that Froggen's without a doubt top of his class.

De4ngus

United States6533 Posts

September 07 2012 06:08 GMT

#1778

lol froggen so op. also i wouldnt pick a NA toplaner for sure. hard to tell who is good toplaner but lilacs jarvan was so beast and i hear kerp from eu is op too.

overt

United States9006 Posts

September 07 2012 06:08 GMT

#1779

On September 07 2012 14:55 Navi wrote:
if i would make a dream team out of current league players it would have to be known (or have a good estimation of) how personalities would conflict and who would lead and how the team chemistry would work out. i really liked loci's post earlier, ppl overestimate individual mechanical skill in their estimations of what makes a good player in this extremely team centric game. it would be pretty tough to make a dream team without knowing how these personalities would gel (or only knowing from the limited 2nd hand knowledge most of us observers have).

but if based on individual skill / fanboyism i would probably have like
lilballz jungle
chauster ad
froggen mid
lilac top
insert support here

Aw, I love lilac so much. This would mostly be my dream team too except I'd replace Chau with DL and put Chau as support. Chauster's one of my favorite players but he simply doesn't have the mechanics to AD carry with the best imo. He's way better at support because he knows the game so well that his initiates are just sheer gold. But back when he was playing AD carry he would routinely get out CS'd by other top AD players. Them picking up Doublelift and letting Chau coach him into AD carry was the single best decision CLG ever made as Chau > Ele on support and imo DL > Chau on AD carry purely based on mechanical skill.

edit:
Actually if I had to be completely objective and remove all bias I personally think that Genja/Gosu are strongest AD/support in the world. I really want to see M5 vs CLG at S2 finals. I fully expect CLG to lose but I just want to see how Double/Chau stack up against Genja/Gosu. For pure players I like it'd be Chau/DL over Genja/Gosu though.

Navi

5286 Posts

September 07 2012 06:22 GMT

#1780

like i said people overstate "mechanics". the main reason why chauster ended up lower cs wasn't because he was bad at csing (although doublelift is quite good at csing, dont get me wrong) but rather elementz had no lane presence and hotshot and later saint would routinely take cs in sieges and in the lull between objective taking and sieging and giving chauster minimal amounts compared to the teams of then (and certainly the teams of now who rightfully funnel more easy gold onto the carries when relevant).

the "mechanics" that doublelift display (dodging x and y with x movement skill) is impressive and great from an observer's point of view, but good decision making and positioning imo is much more valuable on a carry. most ads these days cannot play fragile ads such as ashe for balls as they rely on re positioning skills more than ever with the new "gotta have a blink on ads" fotm. carries like kog'maw are played usually with comps designed around placing other significant threats or stacking protective presence on their team rather than relying on the kog'maws inherent range and poke ability with his ultimate with good decisionmaking and positioning, which still works but is not optimal by any measure if it takes away from laning ability and early map control. i think chauster would make a better ad in that sense.