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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
May 13 2012 18:39 GMT
#3001
Have a good game as Shaco on a featured spec game. 2 people add me and start asking for shaco tips :D
Love spec mode <3
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Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
May 13 2012 18:41 GMT
#3002
On May 14 2012 03:38 TooL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 03:31 Woony wrote:
On May 14 2012 03:18 turdburgler wrote:
dont get jelly that NA teams are all trash and no one wants to watch them play.

i think its hilarious that the same thing has happened to lol which happened in sc1/2. the white guys do ok at the start and predict it will be years before koreans can catch up because 'we are just so good' then like 2 months later koreans are the best in the world because they just take the game more seriously and all the NA/EU teams get left being all buttfrustrated that they arent really relevant anymore.

no matter how many times it happens people still seem shocked that it happened to them too.


That's not entirely true. In SC1 koreans dominated because the rest of the world stopped playing that game in 2002/2003 which is also the point were koreans dominated everything. In wc3 some players like Grubby and ToD still could compete with the best koreans and chinese. SC2 is not fair because korea was always going to dominate with being so far ahead in SC1.

LoL is going to be the same as WC2, mostly asians and a few western teams that can keep up with the best.


ur history on bw is a bit rusty


What do you mean? I mean yeah, the majority of pros was always korean but some foreigners could still keep up in the early 2000s. I mean broodwar never took off in the west like it did in korea so it's pretty obvious it's going to be dominated by koreans
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
May 13 2012 18:41 GMT
#3003
On May 14 2012 03:34 HazMat wrote:
Not saying the EU teams are bad but I have no reason to care about them since I don't keep up with their streams/don't play on the server. And cmon NA has #1 dramalamas.


If they aren't careful they will end up being only known for their dramalama.

I wonder if there are any under the radar teams that haven't done tournies yet but have the potential to do well? In any region?
Never Knows Best.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
May 13 2012 18:42 GMT
#3004
One thing that confuses me about the NA scene is their lack of top teams. I mean they have the money and the population playing yet always seem to not have as many top teams as say EU/Asia. Not just talking about LoL here either. In SC2 the same thing is noticed. Why exactly does the NA scene lack conversion of players to teams?
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
May 13 2012 18:44 GMT
#3005
On May 14 2012 03:42 Numy wrote:
One thing that confuses me about the NA scene is their lack of top teams. I mean they have the money and the population playing yet always seem to not have as many top teams as say EU/Asia. Not just talking about LoL here either. In SC2 the same thing is noticed. Why exactly does the NA scene lack conversion of players to teams?


Well the most obvious answer would be that they don't take the game as serious. Other than that, I don't really know, the US has always had less top players than EU/Asia in almost any PC game.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
May 13 2012 18:45 GMT
#3006
Gaming isnt as acceptable to do seriously here i guess. But didnt NA rock everyone in fps games for a while?
Never Knows Best.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 18:46:39
May 13 2012 18:46 GMT
#3007
On May 14 2012 03:42 Numy wrote:
One thing that confuses me about the NA scene is their lack of top teams. I mean they have the money and the population playing yet always seem to not have as many top teams as say EU/Asia. Not just talking about LoL here either. In SC2 the same thing is noticed. Why exactly does the NA scene lack conversion of players to teams?

One reason imo is that Eu university students just have more time than American students. Especially because studying in Europe is partly free. And many "professional" gamers (at last in Europe) are university students.
Off-season = best season
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
May 13 2012 18:46 GMT
#3008
On May 14 2012 03:45 Slaughter wrote:
Gaming isnt as acceptable to do seriously here i guess. But didnt NA rock everyone in fps games for a while?


NA scene I think always rocks early on in the games life then falls away. I thought gaming is far more acceptable in NA than most other countries, I mean there's always a massive population playing the game so is it just going serious that's the issue?
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
May 13 2012 18:48 GMT
#3009
Thats what i mean. Its cool to play but going to the next level and going to the competitive level is not looked on favorably.
Never Knows Best.
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
May 13 2012 18:51 GMT
#3010
well neither it is here in europe, really. I think it's just that EU always has had a much stronger PC gaming scene while US is obviously #1 in console gaming.
eagle
Profile Joined April 2009
United States693 Posts
May 13 2012 18:53 GMT
#3011
all the us players just play solo queue
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
May 13 2012 18:54 GMT
#3012
On May 14 2012 03:51 Woony wrote:
well neither it is here in europe, really. I think it's just that EU always has had a much stronger PC gaming scene while US is obviously #1 in console gaming.


Yea very true. Americans love dem some call.of duty and madden lol
Never Knows Best.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
May 13 2012 18:56 GMT
#3013
On May 14 2012 03:41 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 03:34 HazMat wrote:
Not saying the EU teams are bad but I have no reason to care about them since I don't keep up with their streams/don't play on the server. And cmon NA has #1 dramalamas.


If they aren't careful they will end up being only known for their dramalama.

I wonder if there are any under the radar teams that haven't done tournies yet but have the potential to do well? In any region?

Before IPL4, have you heard of Monomatics? They only beat M5 in qualifiers(I think) and then took 4th, while all still being in highschool.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
May 13 2012 18:58 GMT
#3014
On May 14 2012 03:53 eagle wrote:
all the us players just play solo queue


Sometimes the top NA teams seem like they are just top solo q players who just happen to keep getting qued togther.
Never Knows Best.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
May 13 2012 19:05 GMT
#3015
On May 14 2012 03:12 HazMat wrote:
I'm bored of all these euro teams playing. So many tourneys this weekend but I really don't give a shit about Euro teams.

Shape up and participate yourself.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
May 13 2012 19:13 GMT
#3016
On May 14 2012 03:56 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 03:41 Slaughter wrote:
On May 14 2012 03:34 HazMat wrote:
Not saying the EU teams are bad but I have no reason to care about them since I don't keep up with their streams/don't play on the server. And cmon NA has #1 dramalamas.


If they aren't careful they will end up being only known for their dramalama.

I wonder if there are any under the radar teams that haven't done tournies yet but have the potential to do well? In any region?

Before IPL4, have you heard of Monomatics? They only beat M5 in qualifiers(I think) and then took 4th, while all still being in highschool.

That series against M5 was basically 300 ping vs 50~
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
May 13 2012 19:19 GMT
#3017
This Navi vs. aAa in the Curse Invitational is pretty funny. It's like both teams keep trying to throw to each other.
Zero fighting.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 19:25:28
May 13 2012 19:22 GMT
#3018
On May 14 2012 03:42 Numy wrote:
One thing that confuses me about the NA scene is their lack of top teams. I mean they have the money and the population playing yet always seem to not have as many top teams as say EU/Asia. Not just talking about LoL here either. In SC2 the same thing is noticed. Why exactly does the NA scene lack conversion of players to teams?


The US and Canada are really fuckin' big dude. Russia only has one top LoL team. Probably for a lot of the same reasons why the NA scene has so few. When we're talking about EU teams we're basically just talking about EU West teams since that's where like 90% or more of the top players are coming from.

Size is 100% relevant in these conversations imo. South Korea is a pretty small country. Much easier to find players who have the talent to do well in video games, much easier to organize into team houses, and it's much easier to go to events. I would say the same thing applies for west Europe although to a lesser degree because most of these teams are from various countries.

Having a big player pool and being in a large country is not advantageous in an underdeveloped competitive scene.

As for Koreans dominating LoL, might happen. But as is, people are acting like the NA teams are super outclassed by EU/Asia teams already. CLGna, TSM, Dignitas, and probably TSM-EG can definitely take games off any other team in the world.

edit:
I mean, you only have to win two games to win a series in LoL. I think CLG/TSM/Dignitas/EG could all win two games against M5 or MiG or WE or any other team. I'd still give the advantage to some of those other teams, but that doesn't mean their scenes are inherently stronger. I don't think top EU or KR or CN teams are very far ahead of top NA teams. Just imo.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
May 13 2012 19:29 GMT
#3019
I've seen Linak in like 5 tourneys and every time he just plays like shit
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
May 13 2012 19:32 GMT
#3020
Well I suppose that is why Linak won the biggest feeder award in the solomid tournament
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/tknmo/solomid_invitationals_mystery_contest_info/
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