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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On May 14 2012 06:42 Numy wrote: When I heard about CLGeu I thought they were the "2nd" team for CLG. How is the dynamic between the two CLG teams? clg.eu is simply the team that CLG sponsors under their name for europe clg.na is the CLG team in north america the b team is going to be another NA team | ||
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
uhm, didn't Grrrr win the 2000 OSL? My point was that only way after wc3 was released the point came where no foreigner could compete with the top koreans. | ||
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TooL
Canada275 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
Damn you Starcraft two! | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
On May 14 2012 07:39 57 Corvette wrote: T_T Whenever I hear "EG" I think of Evil Geniuses, not Epik Gaming. Damn you Starcraft two! same here  surprised Evil Geniuses don't have a lol team yet tbh | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On May 14 2012 07:35 Alaric wrote: TOO camped for him apparently? Just got him 1 kill early, that was it I think. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On May 14 2012 08:00 jcarlsoniv wrote: I've always noticed TOO take fear at lvl 2 on Noct. I've always figured the passive attack speed from W at lvl 2 would be more beneficial. Which is actually better? W unless you want to gank at lvl 2 or are 90% sure you'll run into the enemy in your jangle, even then W might be better depending on opponent. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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petered
United States1817 Posts
On May 14 2012 06:53 Woony wrote: uhm, didn't Grrrr win the 2000 OSL? My point was that only way after wc3 was released the point came where no foreigner could compete with the top koreans. Grrrr won in 2000, WC3 came out in 2002, so you are getting your dates messed up. It was after Grrrr dropped that no other foreigner made significant impact in the BW scene, which was 2 years before wc3. Community interest is only a small piece of a country's success in esports. Korea is the best because the mindset of professional gamers is radically different from Westerners. They treat it like a job while western gamers treat it like a game they enjoy and want to play a lot. In a game like starcraft every extra minute you spend playing/drilling makes a difference. There is such a gigantic skill ceiling that the discipline of Korean gamers is simply too much for Western gamers. Go back to the early SC2 threads and the debates about whether or not Western esports would catch up with the release of SC2. Every condition was perfect and yet Korea still owns the top of the SC2 world, all this while Korea never fully embraced the transition from BW. There is more to their dominance than interest in the game. Now, in a game like LoL, the discipline of the gamers will definitely matter, but it might not translate to the same utter dominance like it does in SC simply because the nature of the game. The smaller mechanical requirement relative to SC makes it so top teams can be beaten more consistently than a top SC programmer due to different strats. Still, Korea will be the best. Probably China too but I am not as familiar with their esports. Until Westerners treat it like a job they won't compete. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 14 2012 08:31 petered wrote: Now, in a game like LoL, the discipline of the gamers will definitely matter, but it might not translate to the same utter dominance like it does in SC simply because the nature of the game. The smaller mechanical requirement relative to SC makes it so top teams can be beaten more consistently than a top SC programmer due to different strats. Still, Korea will be the best. Probably China too but I am not as familiar with their esports. Until Westerners treat it like a job they won't compete. China has a leg up from being for DotA what Korea is for SC2. While their game knowledge will not translate over, professional esports organizations like WE and iG bring over a lot of knowhow in terms of how to build and train a competitive team, and how to promote a good team atmosphere. Teams with good coaching/management staff allow China to effectively skip the "first-generation" teams that are simply just mish-mashed solo queue players, because coaches and managers coming from managing DotA teams should already have an eye for scouting players with good qualities for being team players. This is something well-talked about in Chinese DotA circles. Coaches and ex-pros who play high-level pubs in their free time make note of many top-100 ladder players who are good players that are "not suited for professional play" because of certain mindsets or attitudes (selfishness, inability to own up to mistakes, etc.) that wouldn't fit a professional team environment. No doubt quite a few currently well known LoL pros have those kinds of attitudes as well. Arguably this is a factor in which WE stands out uniquely from other Chinese teams as well. WE's coaching staff includes 820 and 2009, two former DotA players who were arguably the 2 most successful team captains in all of Chinese DotA. | ||
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
On May 14 2012 06:42 Numy wrote: When I heard about CLGeu I thought they were the "2nd" team for CLG. How is the dynamic between the two CLG teams? They're regarded pretty much evenly. They used to scrim on a regular basis, but I dunno that they still do that. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
The key way for evolution of NA scene is, a B team that is ALWAYS available to scrim the A team, and also a team house that is actually conducive to producing strong strategies and teamwork. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
Assuming you're top lane as somebody with solid sustain against an opponent you can probably bully a little bit and wont out sustain you. Why don't I see people open Boots + 2 pots + ward while waiting to buy that ward at the start. It seems strong so you can really take advantage of your opponent and push to your heart's content. Specifically I mention it because I've recently been playing Renekton and pretty much dominate my early game, but their jungler coming top really puts an end to some of my aggression. Is there some major downside I'm missing to this? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 14 2012 09:36 I_Love_Bacon wrote: This is kind of a broad question that I realize is hard to answer given the pure differences certain matchups can mean, but; Assuming you're top lane as somebody with solid sustain against an opponent you can probably bully a little bit and wont out sustain you. Why don't I see people open Boots + 2 pots + ward while waiting to buy that ward at the start. It seems strong so you can really take advantage of your opponent and push to your heart's content. Specifically I mention it because I've recently been playing Renekton and pretty much dominate my early game, but their jungler coming top really puts an end to some of my aggression. Is there some major downside I'm missing to this? You would definitely need to be in a lane that COMPLETELY stomps the match up. Plus I find it's always better to freeze lane as hard as possible, delaying the push. I also prefer trading out, and forcing enemy to B before me. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Remember how well CDE worked together? If there was a major reshuffle among the top NA teams, and people just got experience playing with different teams, the rearranged teams that eventually come out of it might be a LOT more successful than the teams that we have currently (who, in the case of teams like CLG and TSM, make changes very slowly and infrequently to their lineups, if at all). | ||
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