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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On January 21 2012 03:01 superstartran wrote: He is, doesn't do dumb shit like HotShotGG like getting caught way out of position so he his whole team gets wiped and loses against a Chinese team they were heavily favored against. right, he's not even playing against that Chinese team and if he were, he wouldn't be favored. who the fuck said HSGG was the bar we were measuring him up against anyway? oh that's right, no one. who said you can judge a player's overall skill via anecdotal evidence? again, no one. you're arguing a dumb claim and you're doing it poorly, back out now please, you're embarassing yourself. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On January 21 2012 02:59 superstartran wrote: Yes, that's why TSM, one of the best teams in league, picked him up as a sub. The guy that plays League of Legends for shits and giggles who roflstomped his way to the top. He's not even top 100 players overall, but they still picked him up. Please, don't make me laugh. Chu8 easily top 20 player, and his Maoki laning was pretty much unrivaled. It was Chu8 who even started the whole Maoki craze in the first place. Indeed, I'd love for you to name 100 players better than Chu8. I would love to see it. AAANNNNDDDDD that just cemented the fact you are an idiot. The "maokai craze" is JUNGLE maokai. Not lane maokai. 2 completely different things, to the point that you can pretty much say they are different characters. He gets no credit for that, The Odd One does. And I may not be giving him enough credit, but at this point if I am putting a league team together I'd have to go down a long list before I hit Chu. Probably 30+, 20 from the big 4 US teams then 10 from teamless/b tier teams. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On January 21 2012 03:01 superstartran wrote: He is, doesn't do dumb shit like HotShotGG like getting caught way out of position so he his whole team gets wiped and loses against a Chinese team they were heavily favored against. He's a part time League of Legends player for the most part and pretty much can go toe to toe with any top player in his respective lane. It's pretty impressive when you think about it. Chu8 has 13 elo on me right now (1953). He's played more than twice as many games as I in season 2, 650 (that's like 3 months btw). Please cut me a damn break. Doublelift got to 2286 in under 160 games (1/4 as many). Chu impressed people when he got #1, he's not impressing much of anyone right now. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On January 21 2012 03:08 Mogwai wrote: Chu8 has 13 elo on me right now (1953). He's played more than twice as many games as I in season 2, 650 (that's like 3 months btw). Please cut me a damn break. Doublelift got to 2286 in under 160 games (1/4 as many). Chu impressed people when he got #1, he's not impressing much of anyone right now. From what I gather, hes the Destiny of LoL? No offence to destiny but hes very popular and solid player but not as good as people treat him (re:fanboys) | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On January 21 2012 03:11 ZeromuS wrote: From what I gather, hes the Destiny of LoL? More like Destiny is the Grackis of SC2. Chu is the Grubby of lol. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On January 21 2012 03:05 Two_DoWn wrote: AAANNNNDDDDD that just cemented the fact you are an idiot. The "maokai craze" is JUNGLE maokai. Not lane maokai. 2 completely different things, to the point that you can pretty much say they are different characters. He gets no credit for that, The Odd One does. And I may not be giving him enough credit, but at this point if I am putting a league team together I'd have to go down a long list before I hit Chu. Probably 30+, 20 from the big 4 US teams then 10 from teamless/b tier teams. He said "Maoki craze". Not sure what Maoki is tho. While i don't think he is close to being the best player in LoL i have to admit that Chu has one achievement that i will always remember - prooving that "omg tier list, must follow" is a dumb ideology. But he isn't the first person to play champs that were considered up because they weren't high on elementz tier list/noone considered them high elo ban/pickworthy (TRM + teemo or Westrice akali, FNF playing GP only, LoCicero playing morg/ryze/panth/veigar/etc when everyone considered them shitty picks). Also i'm pretty sure that the time when Chu got to #1 was at the end of the season, when every pro stopped caring about Elo and started doing random stuff, like saint was jungling with ANYTHING: nasus, morg, taric, ADs etc. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On January 21 2012 03:01 superstartran wrote: He is, doesn't do dumb shit like HotShotGG like getting caught way out of position so he his whole team gets wiped and loses against a Chinese team they were heavily favored against. He's a part time League of Legends player for the most part and pretty much can go toe to toe with any top player in his respective lane. It's pretty impressive when you think about it. He also simply does not miss last hits. Ever. He hardly ever misses skill shots. I see the "top pros" regularly miss their skill shots on a consistent basis. Chu doesn't miss that often, and if he does it's usually because he's using it to control space. Cool, good to know that I'm one of the best players out there, I don't do dumb shit like getting caught like hotshot does either. I never miss my last hits either, and I never miss my skillshots. If I do miss my skillshots it's because I'm controlling space. Protip, if you don't make skillshots you can't get, you won't miss as many. It's fun you say he doesn't miss last hits and skill shots, I can say the same about anyone else and have as much proof for it as you do. Climbing the ladder and winning your lane is actually pretty easy when you play shit no one really played against(maokai). I've only ever seen him do well on maokai and his TF was one of the worst TFs I've ever seen back in season 1. | ||
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On January 21 2012 03:26 0123456789 wrote: Chu8 and Chaox execute actions faster and are mechanically the best players in LoL. This is undeniable. Because they are krn/azn, and they have krn/azn powas. But their decision making skills are lacking. This is also the sign of krn/azns. Good mechanics, bad gamesense. But with time, and hundreds of thousands of mistakes later, they will catch up. And they will dominate. That is the path of the krn/azn. History repeats itself. I think Doublelift is mechanically pretty impressive. | ||
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
On January 21 2012 03:28 Mogwai wrote: I think Doublelift is mechanically pretty impressive. Azn people look alike too much, so for a sec, I mistaked Chaox for doublelift. But Chaox has pretty good mechanics too. Cuz he's azn/krn. But his decision making skills are top notch. So I can't include him in my examples. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 21 2012 02:50 superstartran wrote: He is far and above the most mechanically and strategically sound player to have played League of Legends, far more than even big names like Reginald, HotshotGG, etc. Stretching the list to 500-1000 players. Lmao. Chu8 regularly STOMPED tournament players in solo que all the time in his lane. Even if you're basing this off his HoN experience, this is wrong. WE.Misaya used to play on ToT's Chinese DotA team, alongside big names like Chuan and 430. 357 and Dai (on Nirvana.CN's DotA team) are also known to play LoL on their time off. And I'm pretty sure top class Chinese DotA pros drastically outclass Chu when it comes to fundamentals. | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On January 21 2012 03:46 TheYango wrote: Even if you're basing this off his HoN experience, this is wrong. WE.Misaya used to play on ToT's Chinese DotA team, alongside big names like Chuan and 430. 357 and Dai (on Nirvana.CN's DotA team) are also known to play LoL on their time off. And I'm pretty sure top class Chinese DotA pros drastically outclass Chu. Don't forget Vigoss, who duo-ed with Chu for a while. | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
Rewind 6 months and tell someone that Galio, Kog'Maw, Morgana, Veigar and Nunu are top competetive picks without having considerable buffs to any of them (save for Kog, Nunu buff is really cosmetic). | ||
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Hyren
United States817 Posts
On January 21 2012 03:53 BluzMan wrote: Watching IEM Kiev made me thinking: Rewind 6 months and tell someone that Galio, Kog'Maw, Morgana, Veigar and Nunu are top competetive picks without having considerable buffs to any of them (save for Kog, Nunu buff is really cosmetic). Veigar buffs were pretty considerable imo, and that being said I don't think you can say he's a "top competitive pick" considering today was the first time i've seen him in a major tournament  edit: Wasn't Galio pretty banworthy 4 or 5 months back? | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 21 2012 03:53 BluzMan wrote: Watching IEM Kiev made me thinking: Rewind 6 months and tell someone that Galio, Kog'Maw, Morgana, Veigar and Nunu are top competetive picks without having considerable buffs to any of them (save for Kog, Nunu buff is really cosmetic). What? Morgana, Galio, and Veigar got ENORMOUS buffs in the last 6 months. Did you forget about the patches in which Morgana/Galio got EVERYTHING about them buffed? I'm pretty sure that both champs were considered extremely strong the moment those buffs happened. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On January 21 2012 03:53 BluzMan wrote: Watching IEM Kiev made me thinking: Rewind 6 months and tell someone that Galio, Kog'Maw, Morgana, Veigar and Nunu are top competetive picks without having considerable buffs to any of them (save for Kog, Nunu buff is really cosmetic). I disagree, those attack speed buffs are actually pretty huge to his jangling. I mean, they more than doubled his attack speed scaling and couple that with base AS buff (which subsequently buffs the effects of all % modifiers, of which he has a really good one in blood boild) and we're talking about a very sizeable buff in his auto attacking damage. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On January 21 2012 03:53 BluzMan wrote: Watching IEM Kiev made me thinking: Rewind 6 months and tell someone that Galio, Kog'Maw, Morgana, Veigar and Nunu are top competetive picks without having considerable buffs to any of them (save for Kog, Nunu buff is really cosmetic). Morgana has been popular on and off after her shield nerds, Galio is soooooo unappealing to play because, well, who likes to play a tanky supportish champion that has to farm all game (and he got loads of buffs IIRC), Veigar buffs have actually made a huge difference because he is able to sort of retaliate attacks now unlike before due to less mana constraints, Kog has also been a very strong pick for a while, he just was built very differently (IIRC BFJJ and Chaox used to build him Manamune->MBR at IEM Cologne), Nunu as a support is actually a considerably strong pick now, yeah. That's about the biggest difference I feel. Also, especially Galio and Veigar fit into the current meta a lot better than they used to 6 months ago. | ||
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