EPT[Patch 1.0.0.132: Sejuani] General Discussion - Page 61
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On January 21 2012 05:24 TL Blazeraid wrote: So now everyone has .625 attack speed but annie? Morgana and Singed are still below .625 | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On January 21 2012 04:56 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: You should be able to skate by on a page of tier 1 runes easily. They're Imo you should have full t3 runepages for at least 2 or 3 roles, it's really not that big an ask. T1 are a cost efficient substitute, but they are half as effective, and the difference is noticeable. If you're clearly better than the people you're playing against, then T1 runes are fine. There's no problem playing normals until you're ready though. Oh and if you plan on supporting or jungling, I'd say a proper rune page is particularly important. Both of which you will be forced into doing if you'r eplaying ranked games. | ||
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Gaslo
Finland951 Posts
 That penta almost made me forgot all those losses, lol.And to make things better, even in that last game the score was something like 10-30, and all our inhibs were down, but my lovely lady sivir carried us the game. <3 | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
 ). 4s is so long I'll admit that was huge. Also, I never noticed how strong the base on BS is.And I remember those Galio buffs too, I bought him a little bit before or after that, the 30->50% damage reduction made me wide-eyed. | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On January 21 2012 05:42 Dgiese wrote: Imo you should have full t3 runepages for at least 2 or 3 roles, it's really not that big an ask. T1 are a cost efficient substitute, but they are half as effective, and the difference is noticeable. If you're clearly better than the people you're playing against, then T1 runes are fine. There's no problem playing normals until you're ready though. Oh and if you plan on supporting or jungling, I'd say a proper rune page is particularly important. Both of which you will be forced into doing if you'r eplaying ranked games. They're about 55% actually from my calculations. If you look at armor penetration marks for instance half of 1.66 is .83 and tier 1 arpen marks give .93 pen. .93/1.66=~56% armor seals tier 1 give .78 armor. Tier 3 give 1.41 armor. .78/1.41=~55% So we should actually say Tier 1 runes are nearly 55% as effective as tier 3 runes. I don't think runepages make enough of a difference to winning or losing a game personally. When I lose a league of legends game it's because I messed up positioning or my team wasn't aggressive enough about map control. I've never thought to myself that I'd have won if I had 45% more rune stats. I also think owning a larger portion of the champion pool is more important (especially if you're captain) so you can trade important first picks to your teammates. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On January 21 2012 06:05 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: They're about 55% actually from my calculations. If you look at armor penetration marks for instance half of 1.66 is .83 and tier 1 arpen marks give .93 pen. .93/1.66=~56% armor seals tier 1 give .78 armor. Tier 3 give 1.41 armor. .78/1.41=~55% So we should actually say Tier 1 runes are nearly 55% as effective as tier 3 runes. I don't think runepages make enough of a difference to winning or losing a game personally. When I lose a league of legends game it's because I messed up positioning or my team wasn't aggressive enough about map control. I've never thought to myself that I'd have won if I had 45% more rune stats. I also think owning a larger portion of the champion pool is more important (especially if you're captain) so you can trade important first picks to your teammates. Not true at ALL. Runes make a huge difference early game. Try running a game without any runes whatsoever against level 30 summoners. You will get crushed, no exceptions. You need runes in order to actually be fully effective. Now, if the enemies are bad, can you come back from that disadvantage? Sure. But in an even game throwing away 1k (or with tier 1 runes, 500 gold) worth of stats is asking to lose. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
My Team: Galio Sejuani (me) Shen Kennen Kog Vs Tyrn Akali Morde MF Nasus They had no chance once team fight began lol those ults.....lol Just survived early game and GG ^_^ Sej Ult hit box is SO HUGE it hits like every fucking thing while Galio's ult makes them come closer together along with Shens Taunt and Kennens Ult BOOSH! | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On January 21 2012 06:14 Two_DoWn wrote: Not true at ALL. Runes make a huge difference early game. Try running a game without any runes whatsoever against level 30 summoners. You will get crushed, no exceptions. You need runes in order to actually be fully effective. Now, if the enemies are bad, can you come back from that disadvantage? Sure. But in an even game throwing away 1k (or with tier 1 runes, 500 gold) worth of stats is asking to lose. Obviously they make a difference, but there are so many mistakes at entry level ranked that it doesn't matter. There's no doubt that you should play ranked with tier 3 runes if you have them, but should you be scared to play ranked if you don't? I don't think so personally. If you think the opposite then don't play ranked until you're completely decked out. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
http://www.own3d.tv/live/112350/CLG_Snoopeh | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On January 21 2012 06:19 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Obviously they make a difference, but there are so many mistakes at entry level ranked that it doesn't matter. There's no doubt that you should play ranked with tier 3 runes if you have them, but should you be scared to play ranked if you don't? I don't think so personally. If you think the opposite then don't play ranked until you're completely decked out. You dont need to be fully decked, but you should have armor pen and magic pen reds, armor yellows, mr/lvl blues, and ad and ap reds. You can play every role with those 2 sets, and while it wont always be optimal, you arent leaving gold on the table. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On January 21 2012 06:19 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Obviously they make a difference, but there are so many mistakes at entry level ranked that it doesn't matter. There's no doubt that you should play ranked with tier 3 runes if you have them, but should you be scared to play ranked if you don't? I don't think so personally. If you think the opposite then don't play ranked until you're completely decked out. They can make the difference between winning and losing the lane though. When I smurf with no runes and end up as a ranged AD vs a level 30 ranged AD with full runes, each of their autoattacks takes off a good 20% of my HP while I do almost nothing to them. And for top lane, at beginner level ranked games you can often straight up kill people who don't know the matchup by just battling it out, but without proper runes it's not possible. I'd say that you would lose more games if you spent your IP on a bigger champion pool but only have tier 1 runes than if you bought a full runeset but have fewer champions. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On January 21 2012 06:31 starfries wrote: They can make the difference between winning and losing the lane though. When I smurf with no runes and end up as a ranged AD vs a level 30 ranged AD with full runes, each of their autoattacks takes off a good 20% of my HP while I do almost nothing to them. And for top lane, at beginner level ranked games you can often straight up kill people who don't know the matchup by just battling it out, but without proper runes it's not possible. I'd say that you would lose more games if you spent your IP on a bigger champion pool but only have tier 1 runes than if you bought a full runeset but have fewer champions. Runes make absolutely massive differences. When I play with my friend, and I go top with full armor page against some poor non-30 without proper runes, I can rightclick him to death from level one and laugh as he tries to attack back dealing half my damage. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
On January 21 2012 06:31 starfries wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2012 06:19 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Obviously they make a difference, but there are so many mistakes at entry level ranked that it doesn't matter. There's no doubt that you should play ranked with tier 3 runes if you have them, but should you be scared to play ranked if you don't? I don't think so personally. If you think the opposite then don't play ranked until you're completely decked out. They can make the difference between winning and losing the lane though. When I smurf with no runes and end up as a ranged AD vs a level 30 ranged AD with full runes, each of their autoattacks takes off a good 20% of my HP while I do almost nothing to them. And for top lane, at beginner level ranked games you can often straight up kill people who don't know the matchup by just battling it out, but without proper runes it's not possible. I'd say that you would lose more games if you spent your IP on a bigger champion pool but only have tier 1 runes than if you bought a full runeset but have fewer champions. I actually played all of my 10 ranked games and all normals up to that point with 0 runes. I just saved up to get more heroes (those tier 3 heroes cost an arm and 4 legs). I didn't really feel much difference, but after reading up on what a full runepage can do I thought it'd probably be a good investment to get a couple of pages. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On January 21 2012 06:05 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: They're about 55% actually from my calculations. If you look at armor penetration marks for instance half of 1.66 is .83 and tier 1 arpen marks give .93 pen. .93/1.66=~56% armor seals tier 1 give .78 armor. Tier 3 give 1.41 armor. .78/1.41=~55% So we should actually say Tier 1 runes are nearly 55% as effective as tier 3 runes. I don't think runepages make enough of a difference to winning or losing a game personally. When I lose a league of legends game it's because I messed up positioning or my team wasn't aggressive enough about map control. I've never thought to myself that I'd have won if I had 45% more rune stats. I also think owning a larger portion of the champion pool is more important (especially if you're captain) so you can trade important first picks to your teammates. Ok, 55% it is. I knew they weren't exactly half, but I was too lazy to do the math I agree that there are much bigger factors in winning / losing. But maximizing your benefit from runes and masteries requires so little work that there's no reason not to do it. The only downside is farming IP, which depending on how many champions you buy with it, could be a big deal. Personally, I go for runes and rune pages over champions, so it's not a big deal for me. I'm still pretty set on Jungle and Support needing good runepages. I've found playing support a lot more enjoyable since putting together a page with gp/10 quints. How important runes are depend on which champions you play I suppose, there are some that really on a benefit from runes for one reason or another (Mp5, etc). Some champs, it's not a big deal, but with others you really need runes to cover certain deficiencies / maximise certain traits. If there are a few specific roles you play a lot of, then imo it's worth forking out the extra IP to get T3. If you play a wide varierty of stuff, i suppose get a bunch of T1 pages, and then upgrade them as u can. | ||
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
On January 21 2012 06:59 Dgiese wrote: If there are a few specific roles you play a lot of, then imo it's worth forking out the extra IP to get T3. If you play a wide varierty of stuff, i suppose get a bunch of T1 pages, and then upgrade them as u can. I'd suggest getting a generic T3 setup first, instead of bothering with T1 runes. Something like movement speed quints, armor yellows and mr blues will give you a decent set up that you can use on every champ. For reds you'd need to get armor pen and magic pen and you are pretty set. You can expand on that later for specific roles/champs, but you are fine with those runes on pretty much everything. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Refer to SpudBoy's guide and if there are any further questions, direct them to that thread. Really no need to rehash what's been said many times over. | ||
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Craton
United States17250 Posts
His reactions to unexpected ganks are generally pretty hilarious to watch, both with the scared gasps and the tongue-in-cheek comments afterwards | ||
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
http://clgaming.net/live/417-clg-wetdream I laughed, more than a little bit. CLG, what the fuck are you doing -_-. | ||
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