EPTRusso-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 409
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Magic Powers
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Manit0u
Poland17794 Posts
On March 30 2023 21:26 Gorsameth wrote: Except for all the trained and veteran units that have died... They lost their veteran paratroopers at Kyiv airport at the very start. They lost veteran tank crews in the multiple times their premiere tank division got destroyed. And that's just what I, as someone that doesn't follow this in any detail, know. There will, without a doubt, be a lot more evidence of veteran units getting wrecked out there. Your 200k initial ignores how many have been send in since and how many of those died and were replaced. We had Western intelligence saying that the majority of the Russian army has been committed to Ukraine a while back. We know Russia's commitment is so large that when a border skirmish erupted between Armenia and Azerbaijan Russia had to abandon its commitment to CSTO (their counterpart to NATO) and effectively end that organisation. Everything tells us Russia is all in, there is no army in reserve they could use but chose not to. This is it. Edit: from Feb 15 2023 www.wsj.com Yes, VDV, marines and one of the Tank Guard regiments were involved and suffered heavy casualties. I would just like to remind you that Russia has at least 12 tank regiments. I never said their losses weren't significant and even mentioned that they probably already sent pretty much all they could to Ukraine without leaving themselves completely defenseless (lossess in ammo and reserve equipment are also huge as they can't be used for defensive purposes either). Here's a video that explains a bit what I said earlier about quite a lot of it being political decisions (which units get sent to the front and which stay inside Russia): | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22476 Posts
On March 31 2023 08:04 JimmiC wrote: I don't expect the Russian government to fall as such. Putin might die (naturally or 'helped') but someone else who is essentially the same will just take over. The West will not step in, this entire war has been marked by the West doing anything it can to not directly step in. A crumbling sanctioned Russia will be, and you could perhaps say already is, China's bitch. They'll get Russian resources at bottom prices because there is no one else to sell to while Russia gets flooded with Chinese knockoffs and former USSR states will get eroded out of the Russian sphere of Influence and into China's one by one (as is already happening with Kazakhstan).Again I did not say it was likely, but either is that they will be allies in the way that the west is. Both want full and absolute power they are only "together" because of the common enemy. It is a counter point to China sending arms and support to Russia, how does that help them? The strings attached would have to be massive to counter balance the sanctions alone. China is completely fine with Russia failing, if they do and the west steps in, do you think there new government during the transition nukes China if China takes land? I do not. And China would be scared of a pro west, democratic style Russia. Is it far fetched, yes, is it impossible I do not think so. | ||
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Taelshin
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Magic Powers
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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/turkish-parliament-approves-finlands-nato-accession-2023-03-30/ | ||
KwarK
United States44195 Posts
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On March 31 2023 20:16 KwarK wrote: They will. Why wouldn’t they. Because previously they said they wouldn't join without Sweden. I don't know what would've changed their minds? | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7320 Posts
On March 31 2023 20:27 Magic Powers wrote: Because previously they said they wouldn't join without Sweden. I don't know what would've changed their minds? They can advocate for Sweden from the inside? Is Erdogan still blocking Sweden or whats the holdup? I haven't been keeping up with this topic since I thought it's just a bit of paper pushing | ||
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Artesimo
Germany598 Posts
On March 31 2023 21:18 Harris1st wrote: They can advocate for Sweden from the inside? Is Erdogan still blocking Sweden or whats the holdup? I haven't been keeping up with this topic since I thought it's just a bit of paper pushing Turkey is still holding it up for political reasons, and there is not really anything finland can do about that from the inside. Finland did signal the possibility of joining without sweden at some point last year or within the last few months though. There is also the chance that turkeys objection to swedens membership will vanish once elections are over in turkey. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8270 Posts
On March 31 2023 21:18 Harris1st wrote: They can advocate for Sweden from the inside? Is Erdogan still blocking Sweden or whats the holdup? I haven't been keeping up with this topic since I thought it's just a bit of paper pushing Political spiel indeed. Turkey just wants to be difficult. The official reason right now is that someone, which later turned out to have ties to Kremlin, burned a Qur'an in Sweden, and Erdogan is now using that as an excuse to not accept Sweden into Nato (Despite not accepting them before either, for other, vaguer reasons). They'll cave eventually, once they get something out of it. It's just political games | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22476 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17794 Posts
Russia is going to have a rough time with their economy in the long run. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7320 Posts
On March 31 2023 21:45 Excludos wrote: Political spiel indeed. Turkey just wants to be difficult. The official reason right now is that someone, which later turned out to have ties to Kremlin, burned a Qur'an in Sweden, and Erdogan is now using that as an excuse to not accept Sweden into Nato (Despite not accepting them before either, for other, vaguer reasons). They'll cave eventually, once they get something out of it. It's just political games The good thing is, with Russia weakened by a mile, we might not need Turkey in NATO anymore xD | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Besides doubt Turkey wants anymore of Russian forces in its' "lake". | ||
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KwarK
United States44195 Posts
On March 31 2023 22:10 Harris1st wrote: The good thing is, with Russia weakened by a mile, we might not need Turkey in NATO anymore xD Turkey has the second biggest army in NATO and the most important strategic location for limiting Russian force projection. Erdogan could go full dictator for life and he would still get a pass. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24143 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5609 Posts
On March 31 2023 21:45 Excludos wrote: Political spiel indeed. Turkey just wants to be difficult. The official reason right now is that someone, which later turned out to have ties to Kremlin, burned a Qur'an in Sweden, and Erdogan is now using that as an excuse to not accept Sweden into Nato (Despite not accepting them before either, for other, vaguer reasons). They'll cave eventually, once they get something out of it. It's just political games Sweden has a long history of supporting PKK and the Kurds. That's probably a big part of the problem when it comes to Turkey. We like to take the moral high ground on every issue of foreign policy, complaining a lot about the state of democracy in Hungary for example. Finland has had a much more careful foreign policy the last decades. Also, I don't think the guy who burned the Qur'an has any ties to Russia. At least there are no proofs to support that theory. But he is just a famous islamophobe/right winger. | ||
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alaricforger
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Manit0u
Poland17794 Posts
Footage from the frontline how UA tanks clear Russian trenches. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On April 01 2023 14:01 Manit0u wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TGjkYjFx2o Footage from the frontline how UA tanks clear Russian trenches. Back to WW2. Bring out the Napalm tanks. As it stands, I've got no doubt it'll be cleared eventually, but that is a hellish slog. | ||
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