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Any and all updates regarding the COVID-19 will need a source provided. Please do your part in helping us to keep this thread maintainable and under control.

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Added a disclaimer on page 662. Many need to post better.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11928 Posts
January 30 2021 09:38 GMT
#6881
Without being a doctor of any sort, that sounds like typical side-effects of a vaccination. If it is bad enough that you have to skip work, going to a doctor just in case might be a good idea.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
January 30 2021 10:06 GMT
#6882
Hopefully you didn't catch anything at the same time/just before the vaccine. It's at worst going to last a couple days, and is on the severe end of mild reactions from what I've read.
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1987 Posts
January 30 2021 10:06 GMT
#6883
I am seriously jealous that people in here are getting the vaccines already! Most doctors I know have not even gotten it, and for me, it seems months away...

The US and UK have played their cards very well in this game. The EU has gotten one on the chin.
Buff the siegetank
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27209 Posts
January 30 2021 12:52 GMT
#6884
On January 30 2021 16:50 Emnjay808 wrote:
Anyone else experience muscle ache/fatigue and migraine after being administered Moderna? The rest of my family was fine but my body felt like I climbed a mountain the day before. Had to call out work and now the only thing I’m craving is fast food -_-

I suppose that means it’s working

Get well soon man. All I’ve had is a really mild ache down my left arm, pretty tolerable really.

Feels ridiculous I am vaccinated tbh but hey, got offered by where I volunteer (and haven’t since Covid) as they’re under the auspices of the healthcare trust.

Not eligible for any kind of bump for working in close proximity to customers in retail, which I really think should qualify both for my safety but those around me, so I suppose on balance I don’t feel too undeserving.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
January 30 2021 16:15 GMT
#6885
Ive been managing the pain and symptoms with 600mg acetaminophen/4hr. I’ve mostly been sleeping the past two days since being administered.

My family runs a care home so, as a resident, I had the option to take the vaccine so I didn’t refuse.
Skol
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
January 30 2021 19:39 GMT
#6886
Seems to be 50/50 on side effects vs no side effect (except sore arm) for the 2nd shot. Chills/headache/joint pain are most common I've heard. I had no side effects besides sore arm for either shot
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-30 20:50:41
January 30 2021 20:48 GMT
#6887
From my PharmD training that kind of reaction-soreness x flu-esque fatigue-can occur with the regular flu vaccine too-you kind of just drew the short straw (I know that's not very comforting). That said, the fact that the side effects line up so well with "traditional" vaccines is pretty heartening, at least for short-term safety, and it means the person administering it gave it intramuscularly and didn't screw up and give it to you subcutaneously.
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
January 30 2021 21:34 GMT
#6888
That’s comforting to know. All muscle ache is gone except the arm that was it was administered in. Just sporting mild head ache now.
Skol
MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2065 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-30 22:30:39
January 30 2021 22:29 GMT
#6889
On January 30 2021 16:50 Emnjay808 wrote:
Anyone else experience muscle ache/fatigue and migraine after being administered Moderna? The rest of my family was fine but my body felt like I climbed a mountain the day before. Had to call out work and now the only thing I’m craving is fast food -_-

I suppose that means it’s working


Its some of the symptoms associated with having covid. Milder ones that arent life threatening. As with most vaccines your body is working hard and that takes a toll.

On January 30 2021 19:06 Slydie wrote:
I am seriously jealous that people in here are getting the vaccines already! Most doctors I know have not even gotten it, and for me, it seems months away...

The US and UK have played their cards very well in this game. The EU has gotten one on the chin.


Yea my ex has been administering vaccines to hospital staff, cops, and some old patients for the last month now.
RIP SPOR 11/24/11 NEVAR FORGET
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4768 Posts
January 30 2021 22:39 GMT
#6890
Well, most of my friends working in hospitals already received their first dose, their families also. Some got second already.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
January 31 2021 01:11 GMT
#6891
The more people I talk to the more stories I hear of people wearing their mask for a whole month, often without ever washing them.
One even admitted to never having washed his cloth mask for a whole year. Doesn't care one bit about hygiene.
If those stories are true...
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2065 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-31 06:29:05
January 31 2021 06:26 GMT
#6892
On January 31 2021 10:11 Magic Powers wrote:
The more people I talk to the more stories I hear of people wearing their mask for a whole month, often without ever washing them.
One even admitted to never having washed his cloth mask for a whole year. Doesn't care one bit about hygiene.
If those stories are true...


Well the masks dont really do anything anyways unless you are sick and sneezy/coughing anyway. Especially if its a bandana , cloth, etc. My mom got me one of those copper fit gaiters and I can hold a lighter out arms length and blow it out.

You need a surgical mask/n95 for any real prevention of getting others sick. And even then, if I hit my vape and blow it out it all comes out the side of my mask (its essentially water vapor). And they do not prevent you from getting sick. Especially since you can touch shit then touch your nose,mouth,eyes whatever and it gets in that way. With all the mask on off, im touching my face more than ever.

Saw a science educator video about differing levels of face coverings effectiveness, and bandanas/gaiters are like 40% at best, surgical is 60% and n95 is obv 95%
RIP SPOR 11/24/11 NEVAR FORGET
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11928 Posts
January 31 2021 10:15 GMT
#6893
On January 31 2021 10:11 Magic Powers wrote:
The more people I talk to the more stories I hear of people wearing their mask for a whole month, often without ever washing them.
One even admitted to never having washed his cloth mask for a whole year. Doesn't care one bit about hygiene.
If those stories are true...


My guess would be that this is mostly problematic for the people wearing those masks and never washing them. Sounds like a nice breeding ground for bacteria and fungus right which you can then breathe in.

Also, what kind of person wears ANY article of clothing for a year and doesn't wash it?
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1987 Posts
January 31 2021 11:03 GMT
#6894
On January 31 2021 19:15 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2021 10:11 Magic Powers wrote:
The more people I talk to the more stories I hear of people wearing their mask for a whole month, often without ever washing them.
One even admitted to never having washed his cloth mask for a whole year. Doesn't care one bit about hygiene.
If those stories are true...


My guess would be that this is mostly problematic for the people wearing those masks and never washing them. Sounds like a nice breeding ground for bacteria and fungus right which you can then breathe in.

Also, what kind of person wears ANY article of clothing for a year and doesn't wash it?


Masks are no quick fix for this pandemic, on a large scale, they should be expected to have only limited effectiveness. My local idiot politicians (desperate to appear responsable) just obliged them for outside exercise as well, even thought the WHO states it is dangerous, and nobody should expect it to prevent a single case of covid-19.

I have been quite careful about switching my masks around, washing them and wearing them as little as possible. Breathing through those fungus and bacteria is obviously a hazard for myself.

If you are positive, instead of dilluting the virus into the air where it does not harm, you are bringing it with you inside your mask. If you are not very careful when taking it off and handeling it, wearing a mask is counterproductive.

It is too bad "wear a mask" is so much easier to say and promote than proper use and in which situations they are expected to actually make a real difference.
Buff the siegetank
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
January 31 2021 16:05 GMT
#6895
I install flooring for a living. And to prevent breathing in wood/laminate/vinyl dust I started wearing a mask while at work. So when this pandemic started I was already adjusted to being comfortable with a mask on. Just a few things on what Ive experienced.

The best mask I have found is on amazon. Its called the base camp M mask I think. It velcros around the back of your head and has this strap that goes over the top of your head. Comes with a few replacement filters that I wash and reuse once a week and for me personally its very comfortable and cheap.

I keep a very small 2 oz spray bottle of hand sanitizer in my back pocket. ANY time I want to touch my mask or take it off, I sanitize my hands. I see so many people walk out of a store and immediately take off their mask before sanitizing their hands, which defeats the entire purpose of wearing said mask.
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
February 01 2021 18:34 GMT
#6896
Biden administration just held a press release where they said a 95% accurate within 15 minutes over the counter test is being released within the month, and that it is less invasive than the traditional one. Anyone got any more info? It is a company called ellume.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 01 2021 18:59 GMT
#6897
--- Nuked ---
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
February 01 2021 20:25 GMT
#6898
Israel I think makes a good case that covid isn't going to go away until everyone is vaccinated. They had 10% at the beginning of January, they're at 55% now.

Two weeks ago, they were at around 35%, 1/3rd of their population vaccinated. Their cases are falling, slowly, but that's as much a combination of the lockdown that they have going as well as the vaccines. I've seen some news reports that the vaccines are very effective at preventing infections among the people who've been vaccinated for more than two weeks, or have received second doses. The problem is that the remaining population of susceptible people are more than capable of continuing the spread at a barely contained rate.

You'd expect the rate at which cases drop to be plummeting as each subsequent vaccine takes an increasingly large bite out of the remaining pool of unvaccinated people, but even 1/3 immunity barely makes a dent.

Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
February 01 2021 20:35 GMT
#6899
If you have a funeral service of ultra orthodox people who flout covid rules with 20k participants, I don't think no vaccine can do something against that?
passive quaranstream fan
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-01 21:14:24
February 01 2021 21:14 GMT
#6900
On February 02 2021 05:25 Lmui wrote:
Israel I think makes a good case that covid isn't going to go away until everyone is vaccinated. They had 10% at the beginning of January, they're at 55% now.

Two weeks ago, they were at around 35%, 1/3rd of their population vaccinated. Their cases are falling, slowly, but that's as much a combination of the lockdown that they have going as well as the vaccines. I've seen some news reports that the vaccines are very effective at preventing infections among the people who've been vaccinated for more than two weeks, or have received second doses. The problem is that the remaining population of susceptible people are more than capable of continuing the spread at a barely contained rate.

You'd expect the rate at which cases drop to be plummeting as each subsequent vaccine takes an increasingly large bite out of the remaining pool of unvaccinated people, but even 1/3 immunity barely makes a dent.


I'd expect it to take a good 60-80% vaccination for it to really make an impact. Getting 1/3 vaccinated is merely going to give you a slower exponential of infection.

And that's with a good 90%+ efficacy vaccine. Weaker ones like Sinovac or AstraZeneca will be useless for herd immunity and will only provide individual protection even at 100%.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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