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Silvanel
Poland4751 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18285 Posts
On February 06 2021 18:15 Geisterkarle wrote: What exactly is Poland opening up again? Maybe it isn't that bad... Maybe in combination with that. There is/was much talk about this "Britain-mutant" and that it is much more infectious. And I scrolled through the numbers of most European countries. And basically _all_ numbers are going down or at least it is stagnating. Finland is going up, but we are talking 400 persons. And probably the most infections are in "moving sideways" France.or Italy. The rest? And espacially GB? Downwards it goes! So for all the "hype" around this "new" virus it is doing exactly nothing ... aside maybe inducing "fear" in some people... http://www.dkriesel.com/corona Spain, France, Netherlands, etc. are in lockdown that is as strict or stricter than the March 2020 lockdown, so the numbers had better be improving... | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22332 Posts
On February 06 2021 18:15 Geisterkarle wrote: The Netherlands is under the strictest lockdown yet, including a curfew and while numbers are going down the UK variant is becoming a bigger and bigger portion of new cases.What exactly is Poland opening up again? Maybe it isn't that bad... Maybe in combination with that. There is/was much talk about this "Britain-mutant" and that it is much more infectious. And I scrolled through the numbers of most European countries. And basically _all_ numbers are going down or at least it is stagnating. Finland is going up, but we are talking 400 persons. And probably the most infections are in "moving sideways" France.or Italy. The rest? And espacially GB? Downwards it goes! So for all the "hype" around this "new" virus it is doing exactly nothing ... aside maybe inducing "fear" in some people... http://www.dkriesel.com/corona While the total reproductive rate is below 1 (obviously since numbers are going down) I believe the Uk variant is actually still above 1 and there is not much room for more stringent measures left without locking people into their own homes. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26764 Posts
On February 06 2021 18:15 Geisterkarle wrote: What exactly is Poland opening up again? Maybe it isn't that bad... Maybe in combination with that. There is/was much talk about this "Britain-mutant" and that it is much more infectious. And I scrolled through the numbers of most European countries. And basically _all_ numbers are going down or at least it is stagnating. Finland is going up, but we are talking 400 persons. And probably the most infections are in "moving sideways" France.or Italy. The rest? And espacially GB? Downwards it goes! So for all the "hype" around this "new" virus it is doing exactly nothing ... aside maybe inducing "fear" in some people... http://www.dkriesel.com/corona Of course they’re going to go down, or at least flatten we have basically no life whatsoever over here and schools aren’t going to reopen until March at the absolute earliest. Measures brought in to deal with this new variant. Plus the U.K. has managed to at least manage the vaccination process well after incompetence in every other area. Not nearly enough to get to anything approaching herd immunity, but I’d assume enough to at least help in flattening things to at least some degree. Nothing but non-essential retail is open, and has been the case for a fair while now. The weather has been awful so people haven’t been gathering in groups outdoors in any way like the summer. It’s a vicious cycle where the effects of measures intended to stop the effects of some ‘hype’ are used as evidence to say the threat was overblown. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26764 Posts
On February 06 2021 18:44 Silvanel wrote: Since 12 February: Opening hotels, cinemas, theaters, philharmonies and museums (for 50% capacity) and also sking resorts and open sky pools. The thing is people are both fed up with various restrictions and government incompatence so more and more people are ignoring precuations. I see the same kind of behavior/mindset i saw at the end of summer which lead to first high wave in Poland. I would say that’s, quite a bad idea? I don’t think these measures are exactly popular anywhere, us Brits are begrudgingly getting on board for the most part. Is dissatisfaction more pronounced in Poland or something and would you have theories as to why that might be? From recollection Poles were considerably less enthusiastic about getting vaccinated even compared to many further West in Europe. | ||
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Slydie
1935 Posts
On February 06 2021 18:48 Acrofales wrote: Spain, France, Netherlands, etc. are in lockdown that is as strict or stricter than the March 2020 lockdown, so the numbers had better be improving... I don't know where you live, but the lockdown here is nowhere near as hard as it was in March last year. -Schools are open -All stores are open with limited hours -Businesses are open, but many are working from home. -You can go outside -You can travel if you have a good reason On the other hand, like in 2020: -You can't gather with people you don't live with -All cafes and restaurants are closed, except some takeaway. -You can't travel out of town for visits, sight seeing etc. The only thing stricter are really the mask mandates. As a sum, it seems to be working well enough to have switched the situation in positive direction, but I expect a very slow decline. They are going out of their way to NOT do a similar lockdown to last year, which I appreciate after all. It was 3 months of hell. The restriction there is most pressure to lift is reopening bars and restaurants, as they are so many employed in the sector. Unfortunately, it is probably also the most effective measure in the current situation, along with limiting other indoor gatherings. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4751 Posts
Also big thing is they avoided declaring state of emergency at all cost because it would mean that chairwomen of our supreme court would have her term extended (and they hated her) and without state of emergency many of their polices where illegal. Now courts are killing cases en masse (from first lockdown). Constant changing of policies made people very upset, many buisnesses are suffering and they (restaurants and fitness/sports related buisnesses are going on direct collision course with gov). Add to that blantant corruption and incompetance, constant beating the drums of war and using abortion and LGBT issues as distraction. Plus people themselves are idiots and are buying into vaccine/covid related conspiracy theories. I regret adding some of my work collegues on FB because now i know what bullshit they belive. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5808 Posts
On February 06 2021 20:36 WombaT wrote: I would say that’s, quite a bad idea? I don’t think these measures are exactly popular anywhere, us Brits are begrudgingly getting on board for the most part. Is dissatisfaction more pronounced in Poland or something and would you have theories as to why that might be? From recollection Poles were considerably less enthusiastic about getting vaccinated even compared to many further West in Europe. Poland did not have a furlough scheme to support the people who can't work due to the restrictions, only one-time payments, IIRC. You can imagine how people feel about the lockdowns. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26764 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18285 Posts
On February 06 2021 21:15 Slydie wrote: I don't know where you live, but the lockdown here is nowhere near as hard as it was in March last year. -Schools are open -All stores are open with limited hours -Businesses are open, but many are working from home. -You can go outside -You can travel if you have a good reason On the other hand, like in 2020: -You can't gather with people you don't live with -All cafes and restaurants are closed, except some takeaway. -You can't travel out of town for visits, sight seeing etc. The only thing stricter are really the mask mandates. As a sum, it seems to be working well enough to have switched the situation in positive direction, but I expect a very slow decline. They are going out of their way to NOT do a similar lockdown to last year, which I appreciate after all. It was 3 months of hell. The restriction there is most pressure to lift is reopening bars and restaurants, as they are so many employed in the sector. Unfortunately, it is probably also the most effective measure in the current situation, along with limiting other indoor gatherings. Catalonia. All the shops are closed except for essentials (well, non-essential shops with a surface area smaller than 400 sqm are allowed to open Monday - Thursday). You can't travel outside your municipality unless you have a good reason. Restaurants are allowed to open for 2 hours for lunch with reduced capacity, and not at all for dinner. There's a curfew from 2200-0600 In practice for me it's identical to the March lockdown. | ||
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Slydie
1935 Posts
In practice for me it's identical to the March lockdown. That is interesting, for me there are a lot of very important differences. -I go to work almost normally, but with a lot of strict precautions. -I can shop anything I want in stores with slightly reduced hours. -I can go outside. -Schools and kindergartens are open. The nighttime curfew does not bother me too much. Real normal life feels so distant I barely remember how it was! | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Slydie
1935 Posts
On February 08 2021 11:01 LegalLord wrote: The South Africa variant looks like trouble. AstraZeneca is apparently a bust in protecting against it. Not clear how all the other ones will play out. Source No, it isn't a bust. Even if it is not working against mild illness, a "turn covid-19 into a a mild normal flu" vaccine sounds pretty great to me! The severe cases are what we are after. Pfizer seems do do better against that variant. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7188 Posts
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On February 08 2021 17:27 Slydie wrote: No, it isn't a bust. Even if it is not working against mild illness, a "turn covid-19 into a a mild normal flu" vaccine sounds pretty great to me! The severe cases are what we are after. Pfizer seems do do better against that variant. It's absolutely a bust. 10% is basically useless for preventing spread of the SA strain. SA also apparently resistant to antibodies granted from already having covid, so that's where a lot of the reinfections have come from. SA strain could be one mutation away from making even Pfizer/Moderna near useless, a which point we're back at square one for vaccinations. Making it a less severe disease does absolutely nothing to prevent spread, and in all honesty probably makes it more likely to spread. You either kill it entirely, or else it's going to be another settlers in North America situation again, where people with the astra vaccine are unwitting carriers of endemic strains of Covid. You can still inject them with the vaccine for now, but those people will need a follow-up with another vaccine that actually works. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On February 08 2021 20:44 Artisreal wrote: Since when do the other vaccines officially prevent the spread? What do you mean by this? When a vaccine officially claims 70% efficacy aren't they claiming they prevent the spread 70% of the time? | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
Every official information I've heard here in Germany states that we don't know if people are still infectious. As for example this end of 2020 study financed by biotech / Pfizer states as an unknown whether the transmissions is prevented. | ||
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warding
Portugal2395 Posts
On February 08 2021 11:01 LegalLord wrote: The South Africa variant looks like trouble. AstraZeneca is apparently a bust in protecting against it. Not clear how all the other ones will play out. Source I'm not sure why the world isn't talking about directing 50M Pfizer vaccines to South Africa immediately to try to nuke the new variant into the ground. This seems to me to be the kind of thing the WHO and COVAX and those types of people should be doing. Maybe that variant has already spread enough that containing it in South Africa would be pointless. The good news is that cases in South Africa have plummeted from a peak of 20k in early January to an average of 3k today. | ||
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