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FueledUpAndReadyToGo

Netherlands30548 Posts

November 06 2018 15:12 GMT

#17921

Sean Hannity says he's not going to go on stage with Trump campaigning, just to report the rally.

Hours later Sean goes on stage, with Trump, campaigning. Opening with 'all those people in the back there are fake news'. Good job Sean.

I'm really impressed at the level of bootlicking that a man can display and still get cheered for.

Zambrah

United States7306 Posts

November 06 2018 15:30 GMT

#17922

Huge line at my polling place which is pretty cool, ton of Corey Stewart and Dave Brat signs out front though which is a little discouraging, but I voted, got my neat sticker and am now just hoping Corey Stewart eats a big ol dickerooni at the polls!

iamthedave

England2814 Posts

November 06 2018 15:35 GMT

#17923

On November 06 2018 23:32 farvacola wrote:

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On November 06 2018 22:24 iamthedave wrote:

On November 06 2018 21:40 Jockmcplop wrote:

On November 06 2018 20:49 iamthedave wrote:

On November 06 2018 20:11 Jockmcplop wrote:

On November 06 2018 20:04 ReditusSum wrote:
Well no one has an obligation to try to convince them, or to reach out, so I can't blame people who don't have the patience for it and want to write them off. As long as everyone is aware of the consequences of their decisions, there really is no right answer. My personal prediction is that it's too late to deplatform effectively and that eventually this is going to lead to some kind of physical conflict that spills out into the wider society. But I could be wrong and it could be just a passing fad.

The breakdown of the "Church and Town" communal ties that typified the young people of older generations is a game changer and not in a good way.

Its a case of trying to contain something that has already broken out into the mainstream. There's very little you can do about it, and I think some people are forgetting that once these extreme political attitudes are forged, there really isn't any changing them - not on the scale that needs to happen to 'fix' the current issue with political debate.
You're looking at waiting a generation and hoping the next lot of politically aware teenagers see things more clearly. I don't think we can write society off as being broken due to things the breakdown of 'church and town', but its certainly worth noting that the current generation, for whatever reason, hasn't adapted particularly well to it.
I'm very hopeful for the future though. In the UK, for example, there's been a massive decrease in teenagers drinking and doing drugs. I can't help thinking that there's some forces at play that we don't understand that are behind a huge change in the way people think, and that we're somewhere in the middle of that and that's why everyone's confused.

It's social media.

Nobody was ready for the social media generation, and what we're in now is the scenario created when only one half of the political spectrum has really figured it out. Regular media for the left has been plenty satisfying, so there's been little need to really focus on social media. The right's been digging deep into social media for ages and ages because there's a large enough section of the right wing that isn't represented properly (due to them being fucking insane). So you've got your Alex Jones's and Milo's looking for ways to get their message out, and teaching the same playbook to the rest of the right in the process.

The left's only just getting involved, really.

So the new media paradigm is more or less dominated by one hald of the political spectrum, and things get screwed up.

Without doubt social media is the biggest player here, but there are other phenomena that are also very influential. The breakdown of the socially progressive, free market consensus, for example, is due to certain political and economic failures and short sightedness on the part of the political establishment, and this has created much more space for the right wing to fill with fear.

Everything seems so apocalyptic at the moment that I think people are losing perspective. There's always a reaction against political extremism, it just might take a while for things to settle down again and a new consensus to emerge from all the chaos.

So you've got your Alex Jones's and Milo's looking for ways to get their message out, and teaching the same playbook to the rest of the right in the process.

Interesting that you picked two examples of people who are now pariahs of the online community. It doesn't take long for these kind of ideas to become completely discredited (Alex Jones' insane conspiracy nut faboys aside), so you have this cycling in and out of personalities. Peterson must surely be next, given that his ideas are already discredited.
You always end up left with the same kind of conservative commentator, the Shapiro kind, who go for conservative values and anti-leftism instead of sensationalist bullshit.

Is Alex Jones a pariah now? What happened to make him so? I know what happened with Milo.

The voices don't matter though, the point is they developed the playbook that the rest of the right wing is now using. Much of Alex Jones' career is proto Trump campaign.

Nobody wants a new consensus though, not in the US at least. The political discourse has become two alternate realities fighting to establish dominance. Look at XDaunt over in the mega blog, who challenged me to prove that Trump is a liar. And he's a well educated Conservative. My involvement in these two threads has convinced me of one thing: There is no reconciliation possible in the US at this time. Left and right in the US can't agree on basic truth and have discarded morality for their side when it comes to political activity. They'll condemn in the other what they celebrate in their own, and it no longer matters that the right is worse than the left, because they'll slowly drag the left down to their level, as we can see happening bit by bit in Congress.

I think in the UK we'll settle once the Brexit turmoil has finally ended. There's signs of that already (people are mostly angry at the government now instead of it being pro/anti Brexiteers as it was for quite a while). When the people actually responsible for the chaos are being held to it, there's room to grow.

Plenty of people want a new consensus, the issue is that the people most likely to talk about it publicly are also the ones most likely to take radical or reactionary stances with regards to emerging cultural norms. I'd wager most of the relatively quiet majority sees some things they like, some they dislike, and wants some kind of moderation in the face of what seems like an increasingly vituperative political climate. The fact that universal healthcare and climate change tend to poll quite well when removed from the context of a political debate is good evidence that that is the case.

Plenty of people say it but do nothing to create it. Yeah, those issues poll quite well removed from the political debate, so why aren't US elected representatives getting their feet held to the fire over them?

Look at the vile campaigns some of the Republican guys have engaged in going into the mid-terms, and these people are mostly predicted to win.

There's anecdotes everywhere now of families split completely apart by political differences. Brothers and sisters and children ostracised for being the odd one out politically in one direction or the other. The issues are getting worse and Trump is going to keep making them worse, and because the Repubs follow mostly lockstep with him, they're mostly going to get in on the action. I really wish I could see a light at the end of this tunnel, but I don't. My only hope is that when the next Democrat gets in these tensions don't completely explode, given how often we're hearing threats of explicit violence if Democrats win just about anything (see: Georgia most recently).

Saryph

United States1955 Posts

November 06 2018 16:13 GMT

#17924

Anyone catch Hannity on stage campaigning for Trump? I forget, did Fox News drop their 'Fair and Balanced' tagline or was that a joke?
Edit: nvm, I missed the post at the top of the page.

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

November 06 2018 16:14 GMT

#17925

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pmh

1352 Posts

November 06 2018 17:22 GMT

#17926

On November 07 2018 00:12 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Sean Hannity says he's not going to go on stage with Trump campaigning, just to report the rally.

Hours later Sean goes on stage, with Trump, campaigning. Opening with 'all those people in the back there are fake news'. Good job Sean.

I'm really impressed at the level of bootlicking that a man can display and still get cheered for.

He spoke like 3 lines lol,took less then 1 minute. He didnt even seem prepared to get on stage but was asked by trump and probably didn't want to ruin the party. Is this really that bad?
Bit silly to make outrage about this. Cnn is campaigning against trump 24/7. Hanity gets on stage for maybe 30 seconds, says something insignificant and suddenly he is a horrible person. Its election day,the race is already decided. Hanity,s 3 lines wont change anything besides being fun for the people who are at the rally.
Fox isn't watched by people for objective news coverage anyway I think.

Nebuchad

Switzerland12193 Posts

November 06 2018 17:26 GMT

#17927

When are the first results expected? (If you can make it Central European time you're awesome but I can translate of course)

Acrofales

Spain17994 Posts

November 06 2018 17:28 GMT

#17928

On November 07 2018 02:22 pmh wrote:

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He spoke like 3 lines lol,took less then 1 minute. He didnt even seem prepared to get on stage but was asked by trump and probably didn't want to ruin the party. Is this really that bad?

If as a "fair and unbiased" news anchor you are stumping for a politician, then... yes. On the other hand, if *this* is what convinces you that Hannity is firmly in the Trump camp and not unbiased, then that's a mighty big rock you've been living under.

TheTenthDoc

United States9561 Posts

November 06 2018 17:40 GMT

#17929

On November 07 2018 02:26 Nebuchad wrote:
When are the first results expected? (If you can make it Central European time you're awesome but I can translate of course)

There's a pretty good hour-by-hour guide here at 538 that lists when polls close. The first ones close at 6 pm EST/ midnight CET, I think.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

November 06 2018 17:40 GMT

#17930

On November 07 2018 02:26 Nebuchad wrote:
When are the first results expected? (If you can make it Central European time you're awesome but I can translate of course)

Polls close around midnight Central European time. However, those closing times are not universal across the states that close that early. I would expect 1-2 AM before things really get rolling.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/06/what-time-do-polls-close-2018-poll-closing-times-by-state-map-945421

pmh

1352 Posts

November 06 2018 17:41 GMT

#17931

Well nvm,made my points in my previous post.
Going to watch all the election shows and enjoy it. Gl to both sides.
Lets hope that no matter the outcome it wont increase division inside the usa.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

November 06 2018 17:49 GMT

#17932

On November 07 2018 02:41 pmh wrote:
Fox is pro trump,it probably is the most biased network in the usa (after cnn,just kidding). A sort of tabloid on tv.
Which is reason why I find this "outrage" a bit weird. Besides that hanity barely said anything,3 lines cant be called "campaigning for trump'

Because like 25% of all Americans get their news only from Fox and Fox fuels the "biased media" narrative. Their business model is make Americans dislike other Americans through politics.

brian

United States9619 Posts

November 06 2018 17:49 GMT

#17933

being on stage of a trump campaign rally can’t be called campaigning for trump? when can it, then? lol.

Wulfey_LA

932 Posts

November 06 2018 17:56 GMT

#17934

On November 07 2018 02:49 brian wrote:

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being on stage of a trump campaign rally can’t be called campaigning for trump? when can it, then? lol.

They both had their pants on. Doesn't count. If somebody didn't make it to third base then it is just two friendly guys hanging out.

Gorsameth

Netherlands21689 Posts

November 06 2018 18:23 GMT

#17935

On November 07 2018 02:41 pmh wrote:
Well nvm,made my points in my previous post.
Going to watch all the election shows and enjoy it. Gl to both sides.
Lets hope that no matter the outcome it wont increase division inside the usa.

Sadly im 100% convinced thats not going to happen.
Things will keep getting worse before they get better until a big enough catalyst forces everyone to reconsider what they are doing.

Nebuchad

Switzerland12193 Posts

November 06 2018 18:43 GMT

#17936

On November 07 2018 02:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:

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There's a pretty good hour-by-hour guide here at 538 that lists when polls close. The first ones close at 6 pm EST/ midnight CET, I think.

On November 07 2018 02:40 Plansix wrote:

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Thanks!

plasmidghost

Belgium16168 Posts

November 06 2018 19:49 GMT

#17937

I told myself I'd stop reading polls after last election, but fuck it, does anyone have any good exit polls for the Texas Senate race between Cruz and O'Rourke?

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

November 06 2018 19:58 GMT

#17938

I think it going to be tough to find exit polls this early. They don’t release them for any race until the polls close.

Nebuchad

Switzerland12193 Posts

November 06 2018 20:05 GMT

#17939

If Cruz loses I'm going to be smiling until Friday

brian

United States9619 Posts

November 06 2018 20:15 GMT

#17940

if not today, i think we’ll definitely see Texas turn blue within the next four years. good old urban development is coming for the lone star state. It won’t have too much an affect on the house representation i’m afraid, but i’ll bet both senators are dems by the time we get a new president if the current trend keeps up.

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