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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
November 06 2018 23:33 GMT
#17961
On November 07 2018 08:27 Orome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2018 08:13 plasmidghost wrote:
I wonder how many people's votes were directly influenced by the Kavanaugh debacle. Has any pollster asked that question?


Who do you feel it was a debacle for in the public's opinion?

I'm not sure, it seems like GOP and Dems were both outraged (GOP because of allegedly false slander, and Dems because women weren't believed)
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
ReditusSum
Profile Joined September 2018
79 Posts
November 06 2018 23:52 GMT
#17962
On November 07 2018 07:45 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2018 05:35 ReditusSum wrote:
On November 06 2018 21:40 farvacola wrote:
Further, the idea that technology and progress has separated people from one another is literally a bunch of loaded bullshit.

Then why do studies show a rise in social isolation whilst simultaneously showing no significant rise in loneliness?

The easiest answer is that while the apps, games, chatrooms, etc. are all connecting people and fulfilling the one side of social interaction (mitigating loneliness), they are not fulfilling the other side of social interaction, which is physically connecting with other people in common social structures with common social goals. I'm not only talking about Sunday BBQ and sandlot-baseball. Those things are good, and part of the overall idea, but they are over-emphasized when we're talking about the actual fundamentals, which is why I wasn't talking about 1950s nostalgia but specifically said "Church and Town" which goes back much, much further than 1950s. More like 1250.

Which is not to say that we should go back to 1250 or that the medieval man didn't have his own problems, just that a sense of "where do I fit into the world?" did not exist and thus was not a problem. And for most of human history, this was true. Say what you want about the caste system, but one of the primary benefits of the caste system is that you always know where you fit into the world and your specific place in society. As we move away from those systems and into the Enlightenment era of democratization we began very slowly stripping away all of those social markers that defined people for the vast, vast majority of our history. Now we've reached a point unimaginable to any previous generations in that a person has basically full control over every aspect of their social life, down to the most minute details.

Is this good? Sure. Is this bad? Sure. It's different. It has its upsides and its downsides.

I'm having a hard time taking you seriously when 1250 medieval Europe was brutally violent and 90% of people knew where they fit..

Maybe you missed the part where I said:

"This is not to say we should go back to 1250 or that the medieval man didn't have his own problems"

I'm not talking about comparing one and the other on a value basis where we ask which one is better or worse. I'm talking about the fundamental change in how people interact with themselves and the world. Posting a text wall of Freshman level historical analysis of major events from the time period is really irrelevant to that point.

Maybe learn a little bit about history first before you make such comment?

Exactly what did I say that is historically inaccurate?
ReditusSum
Profile Joined September 2018
79 Posts
November 06 2018 23:54 GMT
#17963
On November 07 2018 07:32 Liquid`Drone wrote:
seeing the first exit polls, this looks good for democrats.

opinion of republican party : 43% favorable, 54% unfavorable
democrat : 50% favorable, 46% unfavorable

Hmm. Opinion polls strongly favored Clinton too.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-06 23:59:09
November 06 2018 23:58 GMT
#17964
On November 07 2018 08:54 ReditusSum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2018 07:32 Liquid`Drone wrote:
seeing the first exit polls, this looks good for democrats.

opinion of republican party : 43% favorable, 54% unfavorable
democrat : 50% favorable, 46% unfavorable

Hmm. Opinion polls strongly favored Clinton too.


Well, exit polling wasn't too far off on her popular vote margin. The state by state results (in states which still haven't closed their polls this election) were the problem.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 07 2018 00:01 GMT
#17965
On November 07 2018 08:54 ReditusSum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2018 07:32 Liquid`Drone wrote:
seeing the first exit polls, this looks good for democrats.

opinion of republican party : 43% favorable, 54% unfavorable
democrat : 50% favorable, 46% unfavorable

Hmm. Opinion polls strongly favored Clinton too.

This is correct. But also there is little wisdom is saying “the polls could be wrong.”
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ReditusSum
Profile Joined September 2018
79 Posts
November 07 2018 00:02 GMT
#17966
On November 07 2018 08:58 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2018 08:54 ReditusSum wrote:
On November 07 2018 07:32 Liquid`Drone wrote:
seeing the first exit polls, this looks good for democrats.

opinion of republican party : 43% favorable, 54% unfavorable
democrat : 50% favorable, 46% unfavorable

Hmm. Opinion polls strongly favored Clinton too.


Well, exit polling wasn't too far off on her popular vote margin. The state by state results (in states which still haven't closed their polls this election) were the problem.

True. Plus there is a difference between midterm and presidential.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4333 Posts
November 07 2018 00:17 GMT
#17967
Rasmussen were the closest in 2016.Pretty spot on tbh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42698 Posts
November 07 2018 00:34 GMT
#17968
On November 07 2018 08:54 ReditusSum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2018 07:32 Liquid`Drone wrote:
seeing the first exit polls, this looks good for democrats.

opinion of republican party : 43% favorable, 54% unfavorable
democrat : 50% favorable, 46% unfavorable

Hmm. Opinion polls strongly favored Clinton too.

This is your reminder that the opinion of the people was that Clinton should be president. Just not the opinion of the electoral college.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
November 07 2018 00:35 GMT
#17969
Not much so far. Comstock looks like she's out, but she was the most vulnerable Republican.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Taelshin
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada418 Posts
November 07 2018 00:40 GMT
#17970
An interesting article(not to due with the election) but I thought some might like it (especially P6) in response to his link from a few pages ago.

https://kotaku.com/npr-is-very-worried-that-gaming-is-going-to-turn-kids-i-1830251817

Oddly I had pretty much the same feeling as the journalist in this article unfortunately I was unable to articulate my thoughts as well as this writer.
"We didnt listen"
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-07 00:45:32
November 07 2018 00:45 GMT
#17971
On November 07 2018 09:35 ticklishmusic wrote:
Not much so far. Comstock looks like she's out, but she was the most vulnerable Republican.


I don't know why Republicans invested so much money into her campaign, she was toast a long time ago. It was a surefire bet if you wanted to earn some easy betting money.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 07 2018 00:52 GMT
#17972
On November 07 2018 09:40 Taelshin wrote:
An interesting article(not to due with the election) but I thought some might like it (especially P6) in response to his link from a few pages ago.

https://kotaku.com/npr-is-very-worried-that-gaming-is-going-to-turn-kids-i-1830251817

Oddly I had pretty much the same feeling as the journalist in this article unfortunately I was unable to articulate my thoughts as well as this writer.

I can’t take any article serious that calls NPR part of the elite media and claims they are part of propaganda journalism. The author of this peice has an ax to grind and offers few facts, evidence or substance to the discussion. Kotaku has some talented people on their staff that can put together a well rounded argument, but this author isn’t one of them.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-07 00:56:23
November 07 2018 00:56 GMT
#17973
Nothing says "elite media" like endless, annoying donor drives and operating out of basically free university radio stations!
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6230 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-07 01:14:45
November 07 2018 01:14 GMT
#17974
On November 07 2018 09:52 Plansix wrote:The author of this peice has an ax to grind and offers few facts, evidence or substance to the discussion. Kotaku has some talented people on their staff that can put together a well rounded argument, but this author isn’t one of them.

That's fair, but it's just as applicable to the original article. Kotaku can do better than that rant, and NPR can do better than taking a single family's experience and declaring a broad trend.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
November 07 2018 01:23 GMT
#17975
fivethirtyeight has republicans as more likely to keep the house than democrats to win it at this point. This is looking pretty rip
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4333 Posts
November 07 2018 01:24 GMT
#17976
Nate Silver now saying republicans 61% chance to hold house, after predicting 1/7 chance they would.

Literally 2016 all over again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
November 07 2018 01:25 GMT
#17977
this is tragic
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35150 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-07 01:26:54
November 07 2018 01:26 GMT
#17978
And 538 now has Dems with 57.2% chance to take house.

Let's not go overboard with up to the second predictions.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
November 07 2018 01:27 GMT
#17979
And let me guess: Democrats win a majority of popular vote, Republicans win a majority of seats in a Congress that's supposed to be decided by population. Nice job America.

User was warned for this post
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
November 07 2018 01:27 GMT
#17980
538 is fluctuating quite a bit so I'll wait until the day is over, but things aren't standing so pretty for the odds of the Blue Wave tsunami currently. Might be a medium-sized deluge than a wash-out if it stays consistent.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
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