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DarkPlasmaBall

United States45049 Posts

1 hour ago

#107101

On November 15 2025 16:37 Acrofales wrote:

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In fairness, DPB asserted the reason that the Trump administration doesn't want to reveal the info is because it's catastrophic. So the answer "DPB was being emotional about the jobs apocalypse" would've been a fair response: nobody really knows whether there's a jobs apocalypse/catastrophy, because somebody would have to curate that data and they were furloughed. Mighty convenient, but also true.

My conclusion wasn't me being emotional; it was based on how Trump and his administration usually act when there's bad news: spin it or hide it. Maybe it's premature or unwarranted to think that the Trump administration claiming they may permanently not release information that is typically only delayed by a government shutdown indicates that what they want to purposely hide is extremely bad information, but me being right or wrong about this isn't the same thing as me being emotional about this.

To me, it sounded like the Trump administration was using the government shutdown as an excuse to hide information, which led me to believe that the information probably isn't good news for them (or else they'd say they'd eventually release the information, but Leavitt said "jobs report and inflation data will likely not be released even after the government reopens"). "Likely not releasing" economic information means that they're going to obtain the data but also keep it private, even though historically it's never kept private. If it were good news, then they'd share it with the public.

Her quote, coupled with Trump's recent pivots and reversals on many of his terrible economic positions/tariffs, made me think that "catastrophic" might be an apt adjective. Maybe I'm unjustified in connecting the dots the way that I have, but based on Trump's track record of hiding things he doesn't want people to know about because they might reflect poorly on him, I think that dismissing my inference as "emotional" is bordering on ad hominem.

If we ever do find out about the jobs data and inflation data, then I'll learn if I was right or wrong. Maybe I'm right; maybe I'm wrong. ::shrugs:: It's just a prediction.

WombaT

Northern Ireland26036 Posts

1 hour ago

#107102

On November 15 2025 21:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:

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Exactly, if it was good news they’d spin it as such. Even if it’s a ‘trust me bro the numbers were great but the Dems are stopping us showing the American people what a great job we’re doing!’ It’s their stock play.

Speaking of stock plays, this is a Jimmy classic. People say x is a bad idea, Jimmy entertains the idea. He eventually comes around to the former, but goes ‘hey it’s not apocalyptic’, even though that wasn’t the initial analysis.

There’s a pretty marked contrast between his ‘que sera sera’ attitude and hey life’s alright just get on with it if one is talking America or Canada

JimmyJRaynor

Canada17004 Posts

1 hour ago

#107103

we can't really evaluate someone's emotional state over a forum board.

Generally speaking, Americans for many, many decades have been ranting and screaming about the end of the world only being a nanosecond away from happening. This apocalypse takes many forms including economic ruin. Whether we look at the overblown fear of a nuclear apocalypse since 1951, the War of the Worlds radio broadcast, AIDS hysteria in the 80s, the impending Ice Age that will wipe us out or global warming. It is hilarious that some how we might be getting BOTH an Ice Age AND Global Warming.

They've given up on trying to scare everyone about the earth getting too hot. Now, its going to get too cold. In the 70s the Ice Age was also coming. They had drawings of dark pollution clouds blocking out sun rays. Any how, it is 2025 and the Ice Age is coming guys! These diagrams are awesome.
https://nypost.com/2025/11/12/science/gulf-stream-on-the-verge-of-collapse-scientists-warn/

As Americans turn away from Christianity and move to Atheism the deep seeded culture of Christian living and mindset is still there. You can not just flip a switch. One's deepest subconscious processes don't just end when one declares 'i no longer believe God exists'. A big element in the psychology of many christians is the "second coming" when Christ comes back. When Christ returns the world is obliterated or destroyed or this realm ends or something like that. I think this is where this deep seeded need for something that will "end the world" comes from. That is just spit balling on my part.

Returning to alarmism around the economy... this has been going on forever.

Remember Reagan's 1964 speech "a time for choosing". I've posted here about 10 times. What a great speech. Vote Republican to dramatically decrease the size of government or the economy and nation is doomed.

“No nation in history has ever survived a tax burden that reached a third of its national income.” , October 27, 1964, Ronald Reagan. LOLOL. Thanks for the laughs Mr. Reagan.

So, I take with a grain of salt any report of an economic catastrophe with insufficient evidence. Americans love drama.