EPTUS Politics Mega-thread - Page 884
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ShoCkeyy
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Sermokala
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ShoCkeyy
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I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm happy that I didn't keep quiet, and even if it was with family. I think that's the best place to start to try and have an open conversation before it does really turn into a right vs left thing. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On October 31 2018 13:01 Sermokala wrote: You don't win arguments about politics with your family. Wisdom. No matter who "wins", you always lose. That and the fact that I straight up can't stand discussing politics with anyone who isn't close to my level of knowledge or argumentation expertise. I don't even tell my friends I follow politics because they say shit, shit I agree with, and I just want to die because of how garbage their reasoning is. It's actually kind of amazing how much this thread has ruined IRL political discourse for me. I always think to myself "man, the republicans I chat with online would rip you apart". | ||
KwarK
United States44372 Posts
On October 31 2018 07:10 Adreme wrote: Even if you somehow could do that, any judge orders them made a citizen instantly because the constitution says so directly. This isn't an implied power, it is outright stated and you can't shut down the part of the government that handles it and then think you don't have to do it. The law is the law and this one has no wiggle room. Judges don’t issue proof of citizenship. Citizenship doesn’t help you, it’s proof of citizenship people need. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On October 31 2018 13:57 Mohdoo wrote: Wisdom. No matter who "wins", you always lose. That and the fact that I straight up can't stand discussing politics with anyone who isn't close to my level of knowledge or argumentation expertise. I don't even tell my friends I follow politics because they say shit, shit I agree with, and I just want to die because of how garbage their reasoning is. It's actually kind of amazing how much this thread has ruined IRL political discourse for me. I always think to myself "man, the republicans I chat with online would rip you apart". It's something of a truism that whoever you are, right or left, your friends are the people who convince your political opponents that everyone on your side of the divide is an imbecile. | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
On October 31 2018 13:57 Mohdoo wrote: Wisdom. No matter who "wins", you always lose. That and the fact that I straight up can't stand discussing politics with anyone who isn't close to my level of knowledge or argumentation expertise. I don't even tell my friends I follow politics because they say shit, shit I agree with, and I just want to die because of how garbage their reasoning is. It's actually kind of amazing how much this thread has ruined IRL political discourse for me. I always think to myself "man, the republicans I chat with online would rip you apart". I'm experiencing the same thing. My friends have gotten into a few political discussions lately, and they know I'm very interested in politics. I try to just observe and listen, and I often end up frustrated and disappointed. The people I agree with have shitty, emotion-based arguments, and the people I disagree with are the ones who use logic and seem open-minded (though their arguments still have a ton of holes). The nights often don't end well, and I hope they realize they aren't getting anywhere useful. But they seem unable to restrain themselves, for the time being at least. I've been lurking and reading every page of this thread for the past 3 years, and while it has its highs and lows, I think it has been a really good discussion all around, and exposes me to viewpoints (and logic) that I otherwise wouldn't have experienced. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On October 31 2018 14:09 KwarK wrote: Judges don’t issue proof of citizenship. Citizenship doesn’t help you, it’s proof of citizenship people need. Yes, but a judge can say "These people are citizens and you have 30 days to grant all affected parties the proper paperwork." Judge says that and barring appeal that is the end of that and honestly most judges probably would not stay that ruling so appealing won't slow it down. | ||
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KwarK
United States44372 Posts
On October 31 2018 20:49 Adreme wrote: Yes, but a judge can say "These people are citizens and you have 30 days to grant all affected parties the proper paperwork." Judge says that and barring appeal that is the end of that and honestly most judges probably would not stay that ruling so appealing won't slow it down. Doesn’t work that way. I have proper paperwork at the moment and still can’t open a bank account with Chase because their staff are inadequately trained on what is acceptable and my physical Green Card has an expired date on it (but is extended in combination with a MRIV). Legally being in the right doesn’t help. The right paperwork is all that works. Whether you would eventually win in a protracted legal battle isn’t what matters, what matters is whether you can pass through immigration at the border, whether you can vote, whether you can open bank accounts, get a mortgage, obtain financing etc. I’m white, well educated, middle class, and have done everything by the book and I still can’t get the documentation that I need, not because I’m illegible, just because it’s underfunded. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On October 31 2018 05:12 Womwomwom wrote: It’s a smear. Jacob Wohl, kid who really freaking loves Trump, has already been busted as a perpetrator because kid can’t stop himself from using personal email addresses with his name in them and his mum’s phone number to register the relevant websites peddling this garbage. To think this asshole might end up in jail not for securities fraud but for the shortest smear campaign in the history of the internet. If you spam maga memes on twitter fanatically enough, you start to believe you're a capable operative I guess. | ||
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Plansix
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8199 Posts
On November 02 2018 00:18 Mohdoo wrote: At this point, I am basically assuming Democrats take senate and republicans keep the house. Because the world is just weird. I am assuming the republicans win everything because I can’t remember last time something not horrifying happened in politics. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On November 02 2018 00:26 Plansix wrote: I operate on Red Sox based superstition and do not predict the future this close to the event. Same, I'm holding any personal predictions in abeyance for superstitious reasons  | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
At least in the past parties were genteel enough to farm it out to people like Swiftboat Veterans for Truth. | ||
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Plansix
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