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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 01 2018 16:11 GMT
#17681
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9950 Posts
November 01 2018 16:12 GMT
#17682
On November 02 2018 01:08 Plansix wrote:
I don’t think those tactics are doing the Republicans any favors in the last couple weeks. The overt racial overtones his messaging coupled with the recent violence is making people afraid. Not of illegal immigrants, but of political violence. There was a poll that over 40% of the country blamed Trump for the divisive state of politics. That isn’t a good stat going into the mid terms and not a sign he should be ramping it up. But he only knows one way to win.


I would wager that over 40% of the country blames Trump for everything.
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11928 Posts
November 01 2018 16:16 GMT
#17683
On November 02 2018 01:11 Plansix wrote:
Folks, this is very very bad and we need to pray it was not the Saudi goverment that did this. If you want to see things escalate very quickly, people dying on US soil is how it starts.



Only if you have a change in government. Trump and his base do not give any fucks about people who look like Muslims or have Muslim-sounding names. They simply don't really count as important to them.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-01 16:31:26
November 01 2018 16:17 GMT
#17684
On November 02 2018 01:12 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 01:08 Plansix wrote:
I don’t think those tactics are doing the Republicans any favors in the last couple weeks. The overt racial overtones his messaging coupled with the recent violence is making people afraid. Not of illegal immigrants, but of political violence. There was a poll that over 40% of the country blamed Trump for the divisive state of politics. That isn’t a good stat going into the mid terms and not a sign he should be ramping it up. But he only knows one way to win.


I would wager that over 40% of the country blames Trump for everything.

Self identifying democrats make up 29% of the country by most estimates. So 40% starts to bleed into independents.

Edit: In a pretty shocking turn of events, every news organization is calling that Trump ad straight up racist.
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-01 17:30:55
November 01 2018 17:29 GMT
#17685
On November 02 2018 01:17 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 01:12 Jockmcplop wrote:
On November 02 2018 01:08 Plansix wrote:
I don’t think those tactics are doing the Republicans any favors in the last couple weeks. The overt racial overtones his messaging coupled with the recent violence is making people afraid. Not of illegal immigrants, but of political violence. There was a poll that over 40% of the country blamed Trump for the divisive state of politics. That isn’t a good stat going into the mid terms and not a sign he should be ramping it up. But he only knows one way to win.


I would wager that over 40% of the country blames Trump for everything.



Edit: In a pretty shocking turn of events, every news organization is calling that Trump ad straight up racist.

He explained this already after his 'they're not sending us their best' speech in 2015, he's not racist:

“I can never apologize for the truth. I don’t mind apologizing for things. But I can’t apologize for the truth. I said tremendous crime is coming across. Everybody knows that’s true. And it’s happening all the time. So, why, when I mention, all of a sudden I’m a racist. I’m not a racist. I don’t have a racist bone in my body.”

He's just telling the truth. Everyone knows it. /s And what's so different between this video ad and his speech back then?

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

Well I guess the 'good people' part is missing in this new video but who cares about those minor details.

This is clearly another case of the media being the enemy of the people. Because as Fox and Friends host Ainsley Earhardt so beautifully stated:
Every single time you turn on the TV, on every channel, they are misconstruing what you say. You know your heart, you know your words, you know your voice. And you watch other people report on what you say, and it's different than what you mean. [...]. if you don't want to be called the enemy, get the story right be accurate and report it the way I want it reported
source

So you may think this ad is made to associate the refugee caravan with this ruthless murderer, and blame the democrats for it, and have people wake up at night thinking about this cold hearted criminal staring at you, and that the democrats like cold hearted criminals and want more of them, and that might be what the ad says, but that is not what he means! He just wanted to tweet that murderers are bad people and people immediately assume silly things like that he is racist. Why can't people just report the way he wants them to report? /s
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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
November 01 2018 17:40 GMT
#17686
On November 02 2018 02:29 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 01:17 Plansix wrote:
On November 02 2018 01:12 Jockmcplop wrote:
On November 02 2018 01:08 Plansix wrote:
I don’t think those tactics are doing the Republicans any favors in the last couple weeks. The overt racial overtones his messaging coupled with the recent violence is making people afraid. Not of illegal immigrants, but of political violence. There was a poll that over 40% of the country blamed Trump for the divisive state of politics. That isn’t a good stat going into the mid terms and not a sign he should be ramping it up. But he only knows one way to win.


I would wager that over 40% of the country blames Trump for everything.



Edit: In a pretty shocking turn of events, every news organization is calling that Trump ad straight up racist.

He explained this already after his 'they're not sending us their best' speech in 2015, he's not racist:

“I can never apologize for the truth. I don’t mind apologizing for things. But I can’t apologize for the truth. I said tremendous crime is coming across. Everybody knows that’s true. And it’s happening all the time. So, why, when I mention, all of a sudden I’m a racist. I’m not a racist. I don’t have a racist bone in my body.”

He's just telling the truth. Everyone knows it. /s And what's so different between this video ad and his speech back then?

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

Well I guess the 'good people' part is missing in this new video but who cares about those minor details.

This is clearly another case of the media being the enemy of the people. Because as Fox and Friends host Ainsley Earhardt so beautifully stated:
Show nested quote +
Every single time you turn on the TV, on every channel, they are misconstruing what you say. You know your heart, you know your words, you know your voice. And you watch other people report on what you say, and it's different than what you mean. [...]. if you don't want to be called the enemy, get the story right be accurate and report it the way I want it reported
source

So you may think this ad is made to associate the refugee caravan with this ruthless murderer, and blame the democrats for it, and have people wake up at night thinking about this cold hearted criminal staring at you, and that the democrats like cold hearted criminals and want more of them, and that might be what the ad says, but that is not what he means! He just wanted to tweet that murderers are bad people and people immediately assume silly things like that he is racist. Why can't people just report the way he wants them to report? /s

I would say Fox News doesn't deserve to be called journalism, but it actually isn't. When push comes to shove, they never claim they provide actual journalism, they can only call themselves entertainment. Because they refuse to hold themselves accountable to the basic tenets of journalistic integrity. I guess, ultimately, they shouldn't be allowed to call themselves news like they do. It's garbage. Say what you want about CNN, they at least pass the basic tests for journalism.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8270 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-01 17:49:05
November 01 2018 17:48 GMT
#17687
On November 02 2018 02:40 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 02:29 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On November 02 2018 01:17 Plansix wrote:
On November 02 2018 01:12 Jockmcplop wrote:
On November 02 2018 01:08 Plansix wrote:
I don’t think those tactics are doing the Republicans any favors in the last couple weeks. The overt racial overtones his messaging coupled with the recent violence is making people afraid. Not of illegal immigrants, but of political violence. There was a poll that over 40% of the country blamed Trump for the divisive state of politics. That isn’t a good stat going into the mid terms and not a sign he should be ramping it up. But he only knows one way to win.


I would wager that over 40% of the country blames Trump for everything.



Edit: In a pretty shocking turn of events, every news organization is calling that Trump ad straight up racist.

He explained this already after his 'they're not sending us their best' speech in 2015, he's not racist:

“I can never apologize for the truth. I don’t mind apologizing for things. But I can’t apologize for the truth. I said tremendous crime is coming across. Everybody knows that’s true. And it’s happening all the time. So, why, when I mention, all of a sudden I’m a racist. I’m not a racist. I don’t have a racist bone in my body.”

He's just telling the truth. Everyone knows it. /s And what's so different between this video ad and his speech back then?

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

Well I guess the 'good people' part is missing in this new video but who cares about those minor details.

This is clearly another case of the media being the enemy of the people. Because as Fox and Friends host Ainsley Earhardt so beautifully stated:
Every single time you turn on the TV, on every channel, they are misconstruing what you say. You know your heart, you know your words, you know your voice. And you watch other people report on what you say, and it's different than what you mean. [...]. if you don't want to be called the enemy, get the story right be accurate and report it the way I want it reported
source

So you may think this ad is made to associate the refugee caravan with this ruthless murderer, and blame the democrats for it, and have people wake up at night thinking about this cold hearted criminal staring at you, and that the democrats like cold hearted criminals and want more of them, and that might be what the ad says, but that is not what he means! He just wanted to tweet that murderers are bad people and people immediately assume silly things like that he is racist. Why can't people just report the way he wants them to report? /s

I would say Fox News doesn't deserve to be called journalism, but it actually isn't. When push comes to shove, they never claim they provide actual journalism, they can only call themselves entertainment. Because they refuse to hold themselves accountable to the basic tenets of journalistic integrity. I guess, ultimately, they shouldn't be allowed to call themselves news like they do. It's garbage. Say what you want about CNN, they at least pass the basic tests for journalism.


I mean that excuse is a bit like calling your company "Freddie's fresh fruit" and then proclaim you're not in the fresh fruit business when people complain about all the rotten fruit you're peddling. They're not journalist and they they don't peddle news, but they still call themselves Fox News and imitate being a news program. It's deceiving and scummy at best and shouldn't be legal.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-01 18:40:27
November 01 2018 17:50 GMT
#17688
There are calls from the US goverment for a cease fire in Yemen within 30 days. Better late than never I guess.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 01 2018 17:51 GMT
#17689
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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
November 01 2018 19:10 GMT
#17690
On November 02 2018 02:48 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 02:40 NewSunshine wrote:
On November 02 2018 02:29 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On November 02 2018 01:17 Plansix wrote:
On November 02 2018 01:12 Jockmcplop wrote:
On November 02 2018 01:08 Plansix wrote:
I don’t think those tactics are doing the Republicans any favors in the last couple weeks. The overt racial overtones his messaging coupled with the recent violence is making people afraid. Not of illegal immigrants, but of political violence. There was a poll that over 40% of the country blamed Trump for the divisive state of politics. That isn’t a good stat going into the mid terms and not a sign he should be ramping it up. But he only knows one way to win.


I would wager that over 40% of the country blames Trump for everything.



Edit: In a pretty shocking turn of events, every news organization is calling that Trump ad straight up racist.

He explained this already after his 'they're not sending us their best' speech in 2015, he's not racist:

“I can never apologize for the truth. I don’t mind apologizing for things. But I can’t apologize for the truth. I said tremendous crime is coming across. Everybody knows that’s true. And it’s happening all the time. So, why, when I mention, all of a sudden I’m a racist. I’m not a racist. I don’t have a racist bone in my body.”

He's just telling the truth. Everyone knows it. /s And what's so different between this video ad and his speech back then?

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

Well I guess the 'good people' part is missing in this new video but who cares about those minor details.

This is clearly another case of the media being the enemy of the people. Because as Fox and Friends host Ainsley Earhardt so beautifully stated:
Every single time you turn on the TV, on every channel, they are misconstruing what you say. You know your heart, you know your words, you know your voice. And you watch other people report on what you say, and it's different than what you mean. [...]. if you don't want to be called the enemy, get the story right be accurate and report it the way I want it reported
source

So you may think this ad is made to associate the refugee caravan with this ruthless murderer, and blame the democrats for it, and have people wake up at night thinking about this cold hearted criminal staring at you, and that the democrats like cold hearted criminals and want more of them, and that might be what the ad says, but that is not what he means! He just wanted to tweet that murderers are bad people and people immediately assume silly things like that he is racist. Why can't people just report the way he wants them to report? /s

I would say Fox News doesn't deserve to be called journalism, but it actually isn't. When push comes to shove, they never claim they provide actual journalism, they can only call themselves entertainment. Because they refuse to hold themselves accountable to the basic tenets of journalistic integrity. I guess, ultimately, they shouldn't be allowed to call themselves news like they do. It's garbage. Say what you want about CNN, they at least pass the basic tests for journalism.


I mean that excuse is a bit like calling your company "Freddie's fresh fruit" and then proclaim you're not in the fresh fruit business when people complain about all the rotten fruit you're peddling. They're not journalist and they they don't peddle news, but they still call themselves Fox News and imitate being a news program. It's deceiving and scummy at best and shouldn't be legal.

It shouldn't, but we repealed the Fairness Doctrine some time ago and haven't looked back. Fox News has only run with the ball since we dropped it collectively. If anyone wants to know why certain people treat politics like a game or sporting event, and if you want to know why there's so much anti-brown people fear mongering, including from our president, watch Fox News for like 5 minutes. They're a bunch of boot-licking talking heads who want the news to watch like Sports Center, and it shows. It's a joke start to finish.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Yanokabo
Profile Joined October 2018
268 Posts
November 01 2018 20:17 GMT
#17691
Trump to take away birthright citizenship to babies born in us to non citizen/ Immigrant parents? What do people think about this? Personally as someone who is a republican and has a distaste for obama and Hillary Clinton I find this move questionable morally.
chocorush
Profile Joined June 2009
696 Posts
November 01 2018 20:23 GMT
#17692
The necessity of the birthright clause in the 14th amendment isn't really there anymore since we don't have a large population of former american slaves whose parents were not citizens of the United States. The issue is that the president thinks you can undo the Constitution with an executive order.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 01 2018 20:41 GMT
#17693
Birthright citizenship has been a foundation to the culture of the US. We are one of the few nations that is willing to treat immigrants that become naturalized as full citizens without reservation or caveat. If you buy into the so called “American Dream”, you are American. Birthright citizenship is part of that.

The real reason birthright citizenship has come up again is it furthers the culture war that Trump is interested in propagating. There is no way we are amending the Constitution to remove it. It isn’t a political reality that will ever happen. The reason it is brought up is that it angers people who think it is unfair that illegal immigrants children are legal citizens. But that rolls back to the US’s broken immigration system and that our labor demands are not met by our current population. And it is a problem that the legislature has been happy to kick down the road forever.

The inability to pass immigration reform can traced back to the 1990s and Newt Gingrich’s plan to end bipartisan efforts in congress. Once he was speaker, he adopted a plan of causing gridlock in government through partisan efforts and then running based on the frustrations of the US public. And outrage about illegal immigration has been part of that. It drives people to the polls, so why fix it? Why kill the golden goose?

Trump isn’t going to end birthright citizenship. He is just going to dust it off every time he needs to drive turnout for an election. Just like sending troops to the border.
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Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
November 01 2018 21:05 GMT
#17694
On November 02 2018 02:50 Plansix wrote:
There are calls from the US goverment for a cease fire in Yemen within 30 days. Better late than never I guess.


Does this include a lifting of the blockade? A lot of the humanitarian harm is being done by the blockade, so if it doesn't address that then it seems a somewhat empty gesture.
Logo
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 01 2018 21:09 GMT
#17695
On November 02 2018 06:05 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 02:50 Plansix wrote:
There are calls from the US goverment for a cease fire in Yemen within 30 days. Better late than never I guess.


Does this include a lifting of the blockade? A lot of the humanitarian harm is being done by the blockade, so if it doesn't address that then it seems a somewhat empty gesture.

I think they are hoping to stop the fighting and then lift the blockade. But it is hard to get a read on it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-01 23:39:00
November 01 2018 23:16 GMT
#17696
Few more days to go till midterms,how exciting (not sarcasm).
According to polls that I have seen (538 and others) the democrats are supposed to have a 80%+ chance of gaining control of the house. Seems like a very high chance to me,trump has not done that badly thus far.
For America I hope the republicans will win. Having democrats gain the house would be horrible I think,there is still so much salt from hillarys defeat.
2 years of obstructing everything possible just for the sake of it,possibly less years if they can push to get trump impeached. Either way it will be 2 years in which not much gets done which wouldnt be that great for the country I think.

Its hard to make a prediction,am still inclined to think the republicans will hold the house even though the odds seem to be against them.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8270 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-01 23:31:57
November 01 2018 23:30 GMT
#17697
Edit: nope. Nvm. I'm not taking the bait. Someone else can have fun with this one
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
November 01 2018 23:32 GMT
#17698
Yeah, there'd be less negative coverage of Trump if he didn't do things like promise tax cuts before November while Congress was out of session.
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-01 23:40:52
November 01 2018 23:38 GMT
#17699
Its not meant as bait,it is actually serious but if it offends that much I will remove it.

It was written a bit provocative,thats a bad habbit of me but the intention was not bad.
Its true,the media do have a huge influence on elections. I thought it was kinda interesting to mention it with all the fuzz about rusian adds.
Do people even realize how much influence their own media has on elections? And then specially when it is very biased reporting day in day out.That has an enormous impact. (am seriously here btw,not baiting)
Both sides do this no doubt so it is not meant to put the blame on anyone, its something that is good to be aware off.
Maybe its a flaw in the system.

The flaw being that the system relies on people making an educated vote,but the education of the people (which for many people is that what the media provides) is anything but educated and objective.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-01 23:40:23
November 01 2018 23:38 GMT
#17700
On November 02 2018 08:16 pmh wrote:
Few more days to go till midterms,how exciting (not sarcasm).
According to polls that I have seen (538 and others) the democrats are supposed to have a 80%+ chance of gaining control of the house. Seems like a very high chance to me,trump has not done that badly thus far.
For America I hope the republicans will win. Having democrats gain the house would be horrible I think,there is still so much salt from hillarys defeat.
2 years of obstructing everything possible just for the sake of it,possibly less years if they can push to get trump impeached. Either way it will be 2 years in which not much gets done which wouldnt be that great for the country I think.

Its hard to make a prediction,am still inclined to think the republicans will hold the house even though the odds seem to be against them.

if the media had been at least somewhat positive about trump instead of hammering the negative day in day out then this election would have been a walk in the park for republicans. I wonder how much cnn and other big news media influence elections. It surely must be 100000000 times more then rusian adds but whatever,


My take away from this post is that everyone but the Republicans and Trump are to blame if the Democrats take the House.

Also, if you don’t like obstruction, don’t vote for Republicans. The most productive congresses in the last 30 years were controlled by Democrats. The Republicans just feed the gridlock and run on grievance politics over the gridlock they caused.

Edit: please stop using “the media”. It is so vague you might as well not even post.
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