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On October 29 2018 01:47 Artisreal wrote:
Tories appear just so hell bent on trying to achieve the impossible deal and either blame the EU - for declining -, or the other parties - for voting against the horrible exit agreement they managed to negociate and possibly prompting a no deal Brexit.
At least if the plenary debate in the Scottish Parliament says anything about the state of the political parties, it's gonna come down to that.
Having the evil entity of the EU to blame is good for the tories in that regard. Whether the population is gonna swallow that lie is another story.
Sorry for the ot!
Most the Tories never wanted this. Historically the Tories were pro EU (free trade, neoliberalism etc) while Labour represented the unions and working class anti immigration sentiment. This was an attempt to win anti EU votes, first by William Hague in 2004 and then by Cameron, that backfired horribly.
Sorry.
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On October 28 2018 08:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:I don't understand. Is this some sort of meme? Is he saying he support the ugly inbred looking small brained green people with the noses removed or is he mocking them? Someone please explain.
That’s how they see themselves. A coalition of Pepe memes.
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On October 29 2018 01:41 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 01:38 iamthedave wrote:On October 28 2018 23:56 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On October 28 2018 23:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On October 28 2018 03:19 KwarK wrote:On October 28 2018 02:55 micronesia wrote:On October 28 2018 02:42 Mohdoo wrote:On October 28 2018 02:04 micronesia wrote:On October 28 2018 01:59 iamthedave wrote:On October 28 2018 00:43 micronesia wrote:
The link between Trump's reckless behavior and violent criminals taking action is not as clear-cut in today's case as it was with the pipe bomb mailing self-proclaimed conservative. Obviously, we need to wait until more information comes out about today's shooting in Pittsburgh to draw more conclusions. Trump has emboldened some racists but as far as I've seen, never showed support, directly or indirectly, for opposition to Jews. If the left's leadership is quick to try to use this as additional evidence that Trump and his followers' rhetoric is destructive, the counterarguments write themselves. Not so with the pipe bomb mailer. Of course it is. Right wing nuts in the US have hated Jews forever. The neo-nazi groups in America - ALL OF THEM - have claimed that Donald Trump tacitly or fully supports them, and he's equivocated about denouncing them in the past. The counterarguments might write themselves, but they're still stupid. He wouldn't have been inspired by anything Trump has said directly, but I doubt the pipe bomb mailer is either. It's the broad language of violence that is the problem, and Trump 100% has to take the blame for ramping it up at every turn in every way. The difference is that Trump demonizes liberal leaders regularly (who were then targeted by a conservative nutjob with pipe bombs), but does not demonize the Jews. It's true that the groups of deplorable folks who want to exterminate the Jews feel more empowered by Trump than by previous presidents (of course), but it's not so clear that that is why today's shooting happened. What we can say is that Trump's behavior, and that of many of his followers, is going to result in more events like the one today, whether or not he is actually responsible for today's event. To take it a step further and say "you did this" is not reasonable even though I think it was for the pipe bomb mailer. To do so is counterproductive. Every time Trump says globalist or globalism, they hear him say Jews. There is a reason Soros is singled out. Do you think Trump is intentionally using a word that means Jews to neo-nazi's and the like? I didn't think so, but if so then yea that changes the dynamic of this a lot. It’s really hard to tell with Trump. He literally doesn’t acknowledge reality a lot of the time. He’s the man who, when meeting Vietnam vets who tried to speak to him about health benefits for Agent Orange related problems, turned it into an hour long argument about whether Agent Orange was the stuff they were using in the movie Apocalypse Now, where they famously loved the smell of napalm in the morning. He insisted that it was, and when they disagreed would not let it go. He spent the entire meeting grilling each one individually on whether that was Agent Orange or napalm, then had them vote on who was right, then dismissed them all. If every morning Jared told him that globalist meant Jew and to ease up on it Trump would still be insisting that he’d never even met Jared by lunchtime, and would probably believe it. We just don’t know with him. We can’t. Is this a real thing that happened or a satirical example....? When it comes to Agent Orange himself you don't really need to ask. Dailt Beast Article.So yeah, real. I thought the politics in my country were a joke but honestly I'm coming to appreciate it a lot more these last two years. Me too! Even with Brexit I appreciate it more. At least there's a conversation, and people are angry at the government instead of always doubling down and attacking the other side. The Brexiteers went all in, their representatives fucked it up, and now they're angry at the government for fucking it up. I consider that reasonable. If we took the American example they'd be blaming everything on Labour. The problem when looking from the outside is that it looks like Brexit politicians straight up lied. Then saddled other people with negotiating to a level that was impossible in any realistic scenario.
There's a reason for this:
It's because they straight up lied and then saddled other people with negotiating to a level that was impossible in any realistic scenario.
You're dead correct. My point is just that the anger is going to the right place, if not the right politicians. The Conservatives fucked this up, the Conservatives are getting the blame, even from their own supporters, because in the UK we still understand that the party in power is in fact responsible for all the shit that goes wrong.
In the US, somehow, no matter what happens or who is in power, it's somehow the fault of the other guys, even and especially when it makes absolutely no sense, and somehow, the US citizenry buy it.
Our factionalism hasn't gotten to that stage yet. And it's a blessed relief.
On October 29 2018 02:18 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 01:47 Artisreal wrote:
Tories appear just so hell bent on trying to achieve the impossible deal and either blame the EU - for declining -, or the other parties - for voting against the horrible exit agreement they managed to negociate and possibly prompting a no deal Brexit.
At least if the plenary debate in the Scottish Parliament says anything about the state of the political parties, it's gonna come down to that.
Having the evil entity of the EU to blame is good for the tories in that regard. Whether the population is gonna swallow that lie is another story.
Sorry for the ot! Most the Tories never wanted this. Historically the Tories were pro EU (free trade, neoliberalism etc) while Labour represented the unions and working class anti immigration sentiment. This was an attempt to win anti EU votes, first by William Hague in 2004 and then by Cameron, that backfired horribly. Sorry.
You got it backwards. It wasn't Cameron trying to get the votes, it was Johnson and Gove. Cameron was doing it to kill UKIP since they were beginning to completely fracture the Conservative Party, and he figured that if he didn't call the vote then there was no chance of remain winning, because the papers were making such a big deal out of it all. If he'd done it and won the issue would have been settled for at least a generation and UKIP would have disintegrated, the backbenches would have had to quiet down. Unfortunately Johnson and Gove decided to present themselves as 'men of the people' in hope that when the vote failed they'd get all the Brexiteer votes and use that to propel them to the leadership.
Unfortunately, leave won, and neither Boris nor Gove had any fucking clue what to do because they campaigned on the assumption that they were backing a losing cause. End result was we got the British Hilary Clinton as PM because Theresa is at least an incredibly experienced and competent politician with a record-setting tenure as Home Secretary; pretty important experience going into Brexit season.
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Go back an election. UKIP gained political power by leveraging the threat of splitting away some of the Tory vote. Cameron pulled voters back in from UKIP by promising the referendum.
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On October 28 2018 23:38 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2018 03:21 KwarK wrote:Shooter posted this. Seems pretty political. ![[image loading]](https://i.redd.it/k9suqtkmcru11.jpg) I don't really understand the image. Is that to say that those communities have something in common? There's evangelists, gamers and neonazis all lumped together, as well as a bunch of others that could conceivably be grouped as alt-right I guess? Is he expressing support for all these ideas? Is it satire? What is going on?
Is it only me, or does that not look like a stable foundation for power? Can the dems split them up?
I have to admit I love the self irony if they made this about themselves, though!
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On October 29 2018 02:37 KwarK wrote:
Go back an election. UKIP gained political power by leveraging the threat of splitting away some of the Tory vote. Cameron pulled voters back in from UKIP by promising the referendum.
Exactly. He had to make the promise then, because UKIP was gaining momentum, and so was the leave vote. Cameron was a hardcore EU guy, he never wanted us to go. That's why he quit after the vote went. That and to fuck with the guys who backstabbed him.
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On October 28 2018 08:47 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2018 08:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On October 28 2018 03:21 KwarK wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Shooter posted this. Seems pretty political. I don't understand. Is this some sort of meme? Is he saying he support the ugly inbred looking small brained green people with the noses removed or is he mocking them? Someone, please explain. The frogs are a pseudo mascot of the alt right. The guy is saying all the groups that are represented by the shirts are what makes up /pol/ on 4chan.
On October 29 2018 02:25 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2018 08:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On October 28 2018 03:21 KwarK wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Shooter posted this. Seems pretty political. I don't understand. Is this some sort of meme? Is he saying he support the ugly inbred looking small brained green people with the noses removed or is he mocking them? Someone please explain. That’s how they see themselves. A coalition of Pepe memes.
Words I don't understand: /pol/ 4chan Pepe. You got to explain this to me. Does the shooter identify with the shirts they are wearing? I don't get why anybody would identify with the green peoples.
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On October 29 2018 06:51 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2018 08:47 Sermokala wrote:On October 28 2018 08:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On October 28 2018 03:21 KwarK wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Shooter posted this. Seems pretty political. I don't understand. Is this some sort of meme? Is he saying he support the ugly inbred looking small brained green people with the noses removed or is he mocking them? Someone, please explain. The frogs are a pseudo mascot of the alt right. The guy is saying all the groups that are represented by the shirts are what makes up /pol/ on 4chan. Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 02:25 KwarK wrote:On October 28 2018 08:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On October 28 2018 03:21 KwarK wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Shooter posted this. Seems pretty political. I don't understand. Is this some sort of meme? Is he saying he support the ugly inbred looking small brained green people with the noses removed or is he mocking them? Someone please explain. That’s how they see themselves. A coalition of Pepe memes. Words I don't understand: /pol/ 4chan Pepe. You got to explain this to me. Does the shooter identify with the shirts they are wearing? I don't get why anybody would identify with the green peoples.
To give a roughish summary: 4chan is a website full of scumbags and bad shit, a lot of racists, etc. etc. /pol/ is their politics forum. Pepe is a meme that was co-opted by the Alt Right, especially on 4chan and kind of became their mascot.
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/pol/ is short for political incorrect. Which should tell you something about the crowd before you take into account the fact that 4chan is the worst of the worst of the internet for people.
4chan is set up a lot like Reddit with different groups having their different files within the websites main name. The fact you don't know about it is a positive for you as they're bad in the way that you don't even compare them to your enemies. Nazis are referenced in comparison to republicans in this thread but not even the dutch posters would compare republicans to 4chan.
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The grand tapestry of Pepe explains quite well and objectively how and why Pepe ended up being a far right symbol and mascot. I recommend it, it’s quite interesting.
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On October 29 2018 08:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:The grand tapestry of Pepe explains quite well and objectively how and why Pepe ended up being a far right symbol and mascot. I recommend it, it’s quite interesting.
And while its by far not the worst it has done, it greatly demonstrates how the alt-right absoluteley ruins everything it his hands on. I really liked that meme, especially from an artistic standpoint. But now it gotten so far that especially normies associate it with the alt right rather than not noticing it at all, which in turn means you can't really use it anymore 
Also the whole thing of "you dont want to use it because it might give some retard the feeling someone else agrees with his ideology"
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4chan is terrible. But they had* great wallpapers. Just saying. Now it's a sad shell of its former self.
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Trump is now blaming “fake news”, aka all news reporting, for causing anger in America and it will only end when the news media tells the truth. This is days after two terrorist attacks and he is out there saying the media is to blame for the state of the country, rather than him.
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On October 29 2018 23:16 Plansix wrote:
Trump is now blaming “fake news”, aka all news reporting, for causing anger in America and it will only end when the news media tells the truth. This is days after two terrorist attacks and he is out there saying the media is to blame for the state of the country, rather than him.
Which is strange, because when there were terrorist attacks in the UK, Trump was the first guy to blame our politicians for it.
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It is the leadership we have come to expect and even defend in the US: It is everyone else’s fault when bad things happen.
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On October 29 2018 23:29 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 23:16 Plansix wrote:
Trump is now blaming “fake news”, aka all news reporting, for causing anger in America and it will only end when the news media tells the truth. This is days after two terrorist attacks and he is out there saying the media is to blame for the state of the country, rather than him. Which is strange, because when there were terrorist attacks in the UK, Trump was the first guy to blame our politicians for it.
It's almost like he's a raging hypocrite or something...
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In less depressing line of new, Sam's Club(part of Walmart) is opening the first cashier-less store in Texas. This is one of the first big box retailers moving into this space where they have zero cashiers. I will be interested to see how it works out. Although it seems like the natural progression to save on labor costs, anyone who has been in a Walmart/Target or similar store knows that they don't often have that many cashiers on staff, so I question if the savings will be all that much. Because someone needs to watch all those cameras. I feel the fears of jobs being wiped out, though a valid concern, might never transfer into a reality.
With this change, there is a 100% chance of not interacting with a employee on a visit. I worked at Walmart every summer during my college years, mostly because they would give me a job without applying or interviews. This was in the early 2000s when HBO dvd sets were 80 dollars and were stolen on mass from Target, Best Buys and Walmarts across the nation. It staggered me that stuff people would steal and how they would do it. Whole computer early 2000s monitors stuffed into boxes for $25 products and taken right to cashier isle. The most brazen shit I've ever seen with stuff I didn't think you could steal. I really wonder if the problem will increase with the removal of those cashiers and that interaction.
Walmart-owned Sam’s Club is opening a cashier-less store in Texas
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if my neighborhood kroger is any indication, no more than 50% of the checkout aisles are actually staffed with cashiers at any time. actually, even costco at peak hours doesn't ever have every lane staffed and they don't have a self checkout option either - maybe at holidays when it's absolutely insane they fill up, though.
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On October 30 2018 02:19 ticklishmusic wrote:
if my neighborhood kroger is any indication, no more than 50% of the checkout aisles are actually staffed with cashiers at any time. actually, even costco at peak hours doesn't ever have every lane staffed and they don't have a self checkout option either - maybe at holidays when it's absolutely insane they fill up, though.
When I worked at Kroger they basically understaff the checkout department then just forced workers from other departments to also train as cashiers and call them up to work registers when they got overwhelmed (which was common). It pissed everyone off.
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