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Is he trying to label gamers as part of this?
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On October 28 2018 03:29 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Is he trying to label gamers as part of this?
Gamers are a part of the Venn diagram that produces this shit. That doesn’t mean one of us is gonna do it, but they’re in there. It’s part of the subculture, just as red pilling, being male, and being white are.
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The fact is, these people are deplorable and we as a humanity cannot continue with them. Yes, they had actual grievances. But that doesn't justify voting to destroy democracy and thus western civilization. We need really absurd measures to move forward for this. In fact, there is no real good way to move forward from this. You would need to rescind their right to vote
Limiting democratic rights to protect democracy is a gift from above to any autharian leader. What you need is MORE people to vote, dialogue and trying to understand what your opponent wants and thinks rather than demonising them.
It is perfecectly possible for a country to move in a more democratic and less corrupt direction, the best example I know is Portugal.
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Gaming culture can be very reactionary, but TL is insulated from this mainly due to its moderation. Just look at some of these controversies like the Tracer pose, or the female CS team and see how awful the reddit comments are.
There is a very obvious subculture of hardcore gamers that think gaming is the only thing that requires skill, that women don’t play games, that men are better at games, that feminists and SJW’s are trying to use cultural marxism to ruin games with participation trophies and diversity, that you should be able to freely use “rape” in everyday conversation etc.
Not to mention gamergate, rampant transphobia etc. Basically, there are a lot of gaming spaces where you can expect to be harassed as a woman, and where the general tone of the conversation is almost along the lines of Gamer as an identity, which needs to be guarded against foreign invaders. imo it’s really weird and creepy.
For the Starcraft community, you can see it a bit in TL threads discussing female-only tournaments and Scarlett coming out as transgender, but ofc the reddit threads are much worse. For like a year every thread on the SC sub had SCARLETTISAMAN as a user somewhere. I used to endlessly whine to the mods about it and they said to me “nothing we can do”... Or take the idiotic attack helicopter meme which if you read it carefully is transphobic, but it’s confusing enough such that there is plausible deniability. That was extremely popular on twitch and reddit.
One of the worst examples was the MTG pro who had apparently raped someone and the mtg sub was only angry at the person who “outed” him for ruining his life and had no problem allowing this rapist back into the community.
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On October 28 2018 03:21 KwarK wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Shooter posted this. Seems pretty political. ![[image loading]](https://i.redd.it/k9suqtkmcru11.jpg)
I don't understand. Is this some sort of meme? Is he saying he support the ugly inbred looking small brained green people with the noses removed or is he mocking them? Someone please explain.
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On October 28 2018 08:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:I don't understand. Is this some sort of meme? Is he saying he support the ugly inbred looking small brained green people with the noses removed or is he mocking them? Someone, please explain.
The frogs are a pseudo mascot of the alt right. The guy is saying all the groups that are represented by the shirts are what makes up /pol/ on 4chan.
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On October 28 2018 03:29 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Is he trying to label gamers as part of this?
It's 4chan's /pol/.
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On October 28 2018 03:21 KwarK wrote:Shooter posted this. Seems pretty political.
I don't really understand the image. Is that to say that those communities have something in common? There's evangelists, gamers and neonazis all lumped together, as well as a bunch of others that could conceivably be grouped as alt-right I guess? Is he expressing support for all these ideas? Is it satire? What is going on?
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Sweden33719 Posts
On October 28 2018 03:19 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2018 02:55 micronesia wrote:On October 28 2018 02:42 Mohdoo wrote:On October 28 2018 02:04 micronesia wrote:On October 28 2018 01:59 iamthedave wrote:On October 28 2018 00:43 micronesia wrote:
The link between Trump's reckless behavior and violent criminals taking action is not as clear-cut in today's case as it was with the pipe bomb mailing self-proclaimed conservative. Obviously, we need to wait until more information comes out about today's shooting in Pittsburgh to draw more conclusions. Trump has emboldened some racists but as far as I've seen, never showed support, directly or indirectly, for opposition to Jews. If the left's leadership is quick to try to use this as additional evidence that Trump and his followers' rhetoric is destructive, the counterarguments write themselves. Not so with the pipe bomb mailer. Of course it is. Right wing nuts in the US have hated Jews forever. The neo-nazi groups in America - ALL OF THEM - have claimed that Donald Trump tacitly or fully supports them, and he's equivocated about denouncing them in the past. The counterarguments might write themselves, but they're still stupid. He wouldn't have been inspired by anything Trump has said directly, but I doubt the pipe bomb mailer is either. It's the broad language of violence that is the problem, and Trump 100% has to take the blame for ramping it up at every turn in every way. The difference is that Trump demonizes liberal leaders regularly (who were then targeted by a conservative nutjob with pipe bombs), but does not demonize the Jews. It's true that the groups of deplorable folks who want to exterminate the Jews feel more empowered by Trump than by previous presidents (of course), but it's not so clear that that is why today's shooting happened. What we can say is that Trump's behavior, and that of many of his followers, is going to result in more events like the one today, whether or not he is actually responsible for today's event. To take it a step further and say "you did this" is not reasonable even though I think it was for the pipe bomb mailer. To do so is counterproductive. Every time Trump says globalist or globalism, they hear him say Jews. There is a reason Soros is singled out. Do you think Trump is intentionally using a word that means Jews to neo-nazi's and the like? I didn't think so, but if so then yea that changes the dynamic of this a lot. It’s really hard to tell with Trump. He literally doesn’t acknowledge reality a lot of the time. He’s the man who, when meeting Vietnam vets who tried to speak to him about health benefits for Agent Orange related problems, turned it into an hour long argument about whether Agent Orange was the stuff they were using in the movie Apocalypse Now, where they famously loved the smell of napalm in the morning. He insisted that it was, and when they disagreed would not let it go. He spent the entire meeting grilling each one individually on whether that was Agent Orange or napalm, then had them vote on who was right, then dismissed them all. If every morning Jared told him that globalist meant Jew and to ease up on it Trump would still be insisting that he’d never even met Jared by lunchtime, and would probably believe it. We just don’t know with him. We can’t.
Is this a real thing that happened or a satirical example....?
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Norway28908 Posts
On October 28 2018 23:38 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2018 03:21 KwarK wrote:Shooter posted this. Seems pretty political. I don't really understand the image. Is that to say that those communities have something in common? There's evangelists, gamers and neonazis all lumped together, as well as a bunch of others that could conceivably be grouped as alt-right I guess? Is he expressing support for all these ideas? Is it satire? What is going on?
those groups are all part of the enthusiastic pro-trump base.
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On October 28 2018 23:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2018 03:19 KwarK wrote:On October 28 2018 02:55 micronesia wrote:On October 28 2018 02:42 Mohdoo wrote:On October 28 2018 02:04 micronesia wrote:On October 28 2018 01:59 iamthedave wrote:On October 28 2018 00:43 micronesia wrote:
The link between Trump's reckless behavior and violent criminals taking action is not as clear-cut in today's case as it was with the pipe bomb mailing self-proclaimed conservative. Obviously, we need to wait until more information comes out about today's shooting in Pittsburgh to draw more conclusions. Trump has emboldened some racists but as far as I've seen, never showed support, directly or indirectly, for opposition to Jews. If the left's leadership is quick to try to use this as additional evidence that Trump and his followers' rhetoric is destructive, the counterarguments write themselves. Not so with the pipe bomb mailer. Of course it is. Right wing nuts in the US have hated Jews forever. The neo-nazi groups in America - ALL OF THEM - have claimed that Donald Trump tacitly or fully supports them, and he's equivocated about denouncing them in the past. The counterarguments might write themselves, but they're still stupid. He wouldn't have been inspired by anything Trump has said directly, but I doubt the pipe bomb mailer is either. It's the broad language of violence that is the problem, and Trump 100% has to take the blame for ramping it up at every turn in every way. The difference is that Trump demonizes liberal leaders regularly (who were then targeted by a conservative nutjob with pipe bombs), but does not demonize the Jews. It's true that the groups of deplorable folks who want to exterminate the Jews feel more empowered by Trump than by previous presidents (of course), but it's not so clear that that is why today's shooting happened. What we can say is that Trump's behavior, and that of many of his followers, is going to result in more events like the one today, whether or not he is actually responsible for today's event. To take it a step further and say "you did this" is not reasonable even though I think it was for the pipe bomb mailer. To do so is counterproductive. Every time Trump says globalist or globalism, they hear him say Jews. There is a reason Soros is singled out. Do you think Trump is intentionally using a word that means Jews to neo-nazi's and the like? I didn't think so, but if so then yea that changes the dynamic of this a lot. It’s really hard to tell with Trump. He literally doesn’t acknowledge reality a lot of the time. He’s the man who, when meeting Vietnam vets who tried to speak to him about health benefits for Agent Orange related problems, turned it into an hour long argument about whether Agent Orange was the stuff they were using in the movie Apocalypse Now, where they famously loved the smell of napalm in the morning. He insisted that it was, and when they disagreed would not let it go. He spent the entire meeting grilling each one individually on whether that was Agent Orange or napalm, then had them vote on who was right, then dismissed them all. If every morning Jared told him that globalist meant Jew and to ease up on it Trump would still be insisting that he’d never even met Jared by lunchtime, and would probably believe it. We just don’t know with him. We can’t. Is this a real thing that happened or a satirical example....?
When it comes to Agent Orange himself you don't really need to ask.
Dailt Beast Article.
So yeah, real. I thought the politics in my country were a joke but honestly I'm coming to appreciate it a lot more these last two years.
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On October 28 2018 23:45 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2018 23:38 Acrofales wrote:On October 28 2018 03:21 KwarK wrote:Shooter posted this. Seems pretty political. I don't really understand the image. Is that to say that those communities have something in common? There's evangelists, gamers and neonazis all lumped together, as well as a bunch of others that could conceivably be grouped as alt-right I guess? Is he expressing support for all these ideas? Is it satire? What is going on? those groups are all part of the enthusiastic pro-trump base.
That picture seems more like something one of those dreaded SJWs would post though. It appears a bit odd coming from an alt-righter but what do I know, could be a double satire thing.
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Pepe has been a double satire thing basically ever since the alt-right adopted it, so the picture seems like the usual stuff based on how I've seen the trope used as self-representation.
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On October 29 2018 00:45 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2018 23:45 Liquid`Drone wrote:On October 28 2018 23:38 Acrofales wrote:On October 28 2018 03:21 KwarK wrote:Shooter posted this. Seems pretty political. I don't really understand the image. Is that to say that those communities have something in common? There's evangelists, gamers and neonazis all lumped together, as well as a bunch of others that could conceivably be grouped as alt-right I guess? Is he expressing support for all these ideas? Is it satire? What is going on? those groups are all part of the enthusiastic pro-trump base. That picture seems more like something one of those dreaded SJWs would post though. It appears a bit odd coming from an alt-righter but what do I know, could be a double satire thing.
Can you clarify why you think it's something one of those dreaded SJWs would post? Is it just because those green people look ugly inbred small brained with the noses removed?
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On October 28 2018 23:56 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2018 23:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On October 28 2018 03:19 KwarK wrote:On October 28 2018 02:55 micronesia wrote:On October 28 2018 02:42 Mohdoo wrote:On October 28 2018 02:04 micronesia wrote:On October 28 2018 01:59 iamthedave wrote:On October 28 2018 00:43 micronesia wrote:
The link between Trump's reckless behavior and violent criminals taking action is not as clear-cut in today's case as it was with the pipe bomb mailing self-proclaimed conservative. Obviously, we need to wait until more information comes out about today's shooting in Pittsburgh to draw more conclusions. Trump has emboldened some racists but as far as I've seen, never showed support, directly or indirectly, for opposition to Jews. If the left's leadership is quick to try to use this as additional evidence that Trump and his followers' rhetoric is destructive, the counterarguments write themselves. Not so with the pipe bomb mailer. Of course it is. Right wing nuts in the US have hated Jews forever. The neo-nazi groups in America - ALL OF THEM - have claimed that Donald Trump tacitly or fully supports them, and he's equivocated about denouncing them in the past. The counterarguments might write themselves, but they're still stupid. He wouldn't have been inspired by anything Trump has said directly, but I doubt the pipe bomb mailer is either. It's the broad language of violence that is the problem, and Trump 100% has to take the blame for ramping it up at every turn in every way. The difference is that Trump demonizes liberal leaders regularly (who were then targeted by a conservative nutjob with pipe bombs), but does not demonize the Jews. It's true that the groups of deplorable folks who want to exterminate the Jews feel more empowered by Trump than by previous presidents (of course), but it's not so clear that that is why today's shooting happened. What we can say is that Trump's behavior, and that of many of his followers, is going to result in more events like the one today, whether or not he is actually responsible for today's event. To take it a step further and say "you did this" is not reasonable even though I think it was for the pipe bomb mailer. To do so is counterproductive. Every time Trump says globalist or globalism, they hear him say Jews. There is a reason Soros is singled out. Do you think Trump is intentionally using a word that means Jews to neo-nazi's and the like? I didn't think so, but if so then yea that changes the dynamic of this a lot. It’s really hard to tell with Trump. He literally doesn’t acknowledge reality a lot of the time. He’s the man who, when meeting Vietnam vets who tried to speak to him about health benefits for Agent Orange related problems, turned it into an hour long argument about whether Agent Orange was the stuff they were using in the movie Apocalypse Now, where they famously loved the smell of napalm in the morning. He insisted that it was, and when they disagreed would not let it go. He spent the entire meeting grilling each one individually on whether that was Agent Orange or napalm, then had them vote on who was right, then dismissed them all. If every morning Jared told him that globalist meant Jew and to ease up on it Trump would still be insisting that he’d never even met Jared by lunchtime, and would probably believe it. We just don’t know with him. We can’t. Is this a real thing that happened or a satirical example....? When it comes to Agent Orange himself you don't really need to ask. Dailt Beast Article.So yeah, real. I thought the politics in my country were a joke but honestly I'm coming to appreciate it a lot more these last two years.
Me too! Even with Brexit I appreciate it more. At least there's a conversation, and people are angry at the government instead of always doubling down and attacking the other side. The Brexiteers went all in, their representatives fucked it up, and now they're angry at the government for fucking it up.
I consider that reasonable.
If we took the American example they'd be blaming everything on Labour.
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On October 29 2018 01:38 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2018 23:56 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On October 28 2018 23:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On October 28 2018 03:19 KwarK wrote:On October 28 2018 02:55 micronesia wrote:On October 28 2018 02:42 Mohdoo wrote:On October 28 2018 02:04 micronesia wrote:On October 28 2018 01:59 iamthedave wrote:On October 28 2018 00:43 micronesia wrote:
The link between Trump's reckless behavior and violent criminals taking action is not as clear-cut in today's case as it was with the pipe bomb mailing self-proclaimed conservative. Obviously, we need to wait until more information comes out about today's shooting in Pittsburgh to draw more conclusions. Trump has emboldened some racists but as far as I've seen, never showed support, directly or indirectly, for opposition to Jews. If the left's leadership is quick to try to use this as additional evidence that Trump and his followers' rhetoric is destructive, the counterarguments write themselves. Not so with the pipe bomb mailer. Of course it is. Right wing nuts in the US have hated Jews forever. The neo-nazi groups in America - ALL OF THEM - have claimed that Donald Trump tacitly or fully supports them, and he's equivocated about denouncing them in the past. The counterarguments might write themselves, but they're still stupid. He wouldn't have been inspired by anything Trump has said directly, but I doubt the pipe bomb mailer is either. It's the broad language of violence that is the problem, and Trump 100% has to take the blame for ramping it up at every turn in every way. The difference is that Trump demonizes liberal leaders regularly (who were then targeted by a conservative nutjob with pipe bombs), but does not demonize the Jews. It's true that the groups of deplorable folks who want to exterminate the Jews feel more empowered by Trump than by previous presidents (of course), but it's not so clear that that is why today's shooting happened. What we can say is that Trump's behavior, and that of many of his followers, is going to result in more events like the one today, whether or not he is actually responsible for today's event. To take it a step further and say "you did this" is not reasonable even though I think it was for the pipe bomb mailer. To do so is counterproductive. Every time Trump says globalist or globalism, they hear him say Jews. There is a reason Soros is singled out. Do you think Trump is intentionally using a word that means Jews to neo-nazi's and the like? I didn't think so, but if so then yea that changes the dynamic of this a lot. It’s really hard to tell with Trump. He literally doesn’t acknowledge reality a lot of the time. He’s the man who, when meeting Vietnam vets who tried to speak to him about health benefits for Agent Orange related problems, turned it into an hour long argument about whether Agent Orange was the stuff they were using in the movie Apocalypse Now, where they famously loved the smell of napalm in the morning. He insisted that it was, and when they disagreed would not let it go. He spent the entire meeting grilling each one individually on whether that was Agent Orange or napalm, then had them vote on who was right, then dismissed them all. If every morning Jared told him that globalist meant Jew and to ease up on it Trump would still be insisting that he’d never even met Jared by lunchtime, and would probably believe it. We just don’t know with him. We can’t. Is this a real thing that happened or a satirical example....? When it comes to Agent Orange himself you don't really need to ask. Dailt Beast Article.So yeah, real. I thought the politics in my country were a joke but honestly I'm coming to appreciate it a lot more these last two years. Me too! Even with Brexit I appreciate it more. At least there's a conversation, and people are angry at the government instead of always doubling down and attacking the other side. The Brexiteers went all in, their representatives fucked it up, and now they're angry at the government for fucking it up. I consider that reasonable. If we took the American example they'd be blaming everything on Labour.
The problem when looking from the outside is that it looks like Brexit politicians straight up lied. Then saddled other people with negotiating to a level that was impossible in any realistic scenario.
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Tories appear just so hell bent on trying to achieve the impossible deal and either blame the EU - for declining -, or the other parties - for voting against the horrible exit agreement they managed to negociate and possibly prompting a no deal Brexit.
At least if the plenary debate in the Scottish Parliament says anything about the state of the political parties, it's gonna come down to that.
Having the evil entity of the EU to blame is good for the tories in that regard. Whether the population is gonna swallow that lie is another story.
Sorry for the ot!
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