US Politics Mega-thread - Page 784

On October 02 2018 02:22 NewSunshine wrote:

I make this distinction when I call it an internment camp. Though there is little difference between internment/concentration camps, the connotation from Nazi Germany is that they are essentially death camps. We're not there yet. But my hopes are not high for it to stay that way.

On October 02 2018 03:09 On_Slaught wrote:
And there it is. You know it isnt NAFTA (despite being almost identical) because it isnt called NAFTA anymore. It's now called the USMCA!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1046708836407685122

Biggest changes having to do with opening up US dairy to Canada (same deal Canada gave the EU apparently so nothing new) and some minor changes to car production requirements. Much of the infrastructure of NAFTA is still in place.

There’s also a new rule that a significant percentage of the work done on the car must be completed by workers earning at least $16 an hour, or about three times what the typical Mexican autoworker makes. Starting in 2020, cars and trucks should have at least 30 percent of the work on the vehicle done by workers earning $16 an hour. That gradually moves up to 40 percent for cars by 2023.

While many economists think these new rules will help some North American workers, they also warn that car prices might rise and some small cars may no longer be made in North America because they would be too expensive under the new requirements. There are also concerns that automakers might not make as many cars in North America to export to China and elsewhere overseas because costs would be higher in the USMCA region than making the vehicles in Asia.

Improved labor and environmental rights. The USMCA makes a number of significant upgrades to environmental and labor regulations, especially regarding Mexico. For example, the USMCA stipulates that Mexican trucks that cross the border into the United States must meet higher safety regulations and that Mexican workers must have more ability to organize and form unions. Some of these provisions might be difficult to enforce, but the Trump administration says it is committed to ensuring these happen — a reason U.S. labor unions and some Democrats are cheering the new rules.

On October 02 2018 03:12 Mohdoo wrote:


I think it is a lot more significant than you are giving credit for.

From WaPo:



and



Both seem like total slam dunks in my eyes. I am totally satisfied with this deal.

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/01/us-canada-mexico-just-reached-sweeping-new-nafta-deal-heres-whats-it/?utm_term=.6545e3ceb15d

On October 02 2018 03:24 On_Slaught wrote:


I'm not sure I agree. We spent a fuck ton of political capital to make Mexican Car Manufactor Workers and Truck Drivers great again? The article you cited points out the danger of this. By doing this on top of increasing the percentage of the car which must be made in NA (62.5% to 75%) you are in effect making two huge moves which will have car companies second guessing the economic viability of making cars in NA. No matter what it seems prices will go up.

Also, the Steel tarrifs are still in place after all this somehow.

Based on the Press Conference we just saw from Trump youd think he just reinvented the wheel. These are minor changes against the bulk of NAFTAs 2000 pages of infrastructure and rules which remains in place.

On October 02 2018 03:34 mikedebo wrote:


And from a Canadian side, we had our people away from things like UN security council meetings for 13 months so that the Republicans could flex their genitalia just to come up with a virtually identical agreement. Thanks, "neighbors."

I've paid special attention to not buying US products and not traveling through the US in all of 2018 for crap like this.

On October 02 2018 03:34 Plansix wrote:
That is firmly Trump’s brand as President. Light a bunch of stuff on fire and then claim he re-invented the fire hose after putting it out.

On October 02 2018 04:06 Gahlo wrote:

They wouldn't care if it was literally just NAFTA with the name whited out. It's a deal by their guy, so it's great.

On October 02 2018 04:20 Gahlo wrote:

You can as long as the main base is large enough to force the party at large to go along with what you want.

On October 02 2018 04:25 Plansix wrote:

In the long term, backing ineffective deals and garbage catches up with politicians. You can only lie to the public of so long before they vote you out of office.

On October 02 2018 03:09 On_Slaught wrote:
Biggest changes having to do with opening up US dairy to Canada (same deal Canada gave the EU apparently so nothing new)