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This is a big step in the right direction. Now I'm even more interested to see the final report. | ||
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On October 02 2018 04:30 JimmyJRaynor wrote: you're kidding right? do you know how much European Dairy products that Canadians buy? Wadaya wanna bet the "swiss cheese" in my fridge was made and processed in guelph? My point is the framework isnt something new. Has nothing to do with quantity. | ||
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On October 02 2018 04:35 On_Slaught wrote: My point is the framework isnt something new. Has nothing to do with quantity. as i posted. On October 02 2018 04:30 JimmyJRaynor wrote: due to proximity northern US dairy farmers products are a 1000X bigger threat to canadian producers than whatever farmers are making in Germany and Belgium. what did canada get in return for this concession? nuttin. Here is a good overview to the changes coming in NAFTA 2.0. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nafta-usmca-key-changes-1.4845239 note this one. "While much attention has been paid to Canada's dairy concessions, all five of Canada's supply-managed agriculture sectors are giving up shares of their protected market in this deal: dairy, eggs, chicken, turkey and broiler hatching eggs and chicks." canada made a lot of concessions to avoid tariffs on Ontario's auto products. What concessions did the USA offer Canada? i don't see any. | ||
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On October 02 2018 04:43 Plansix wrote: It’s not like the milk instantly starts traveling the Canada. People have to make those deals and the US milk needs to make more economic sense to ship to Canada. Also, don’t you folks set the price of milk in your country? only quebec has a floor on its retail price of milk.. and that has some kind of sunset clause that makes that floor end next year i think. whether they'll create another minimum price i do not know. My posts have a negative tone because Canada granted concessions and didn't get much back. However, Canada/The Liberals made the right moves and granted the least important concessions possible. | ||
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Trudeau made the right sacrifices in NAFTA 2.0. If this let's Trump have a big celebration party ... great... Trudeau should use that as negotiation currency the next time he is at the bargaining table with Trump. | ||
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On October 02 2018 04:50 JimmiC wrote: Yeah, and the dairy farmers around here are absolutely killing it. Its not like small family farms these are giant businesses that get farm tax breaks. I don't know if it will happen because of the back lash but farmers are getting rich of land going up so much and the whole tax system being built on letting family farms survive. Most families sold out and now there are just monster operations all over. Ont and Que might be different where they don't have the land but out west these guys are killing it. In the future they will (should) be taxed like all businesses. I generally support tax breaks and incentives for the people who make food, because cheap food is important. Obviously these large scale operations making hand over fist off of those tax breaks is less than desirable, but I’ll take it over the alternative of the milk industry price cutting itself out of existence. We have no modern context for this, but food shortages are terrifying. And we use milk in everything. And not for thing, but farming is hard work. I worked on a dairy farm in my home town. That job was rough and paid like trash. And the guy who did it moved on to do other things after he got undercut by a bunch of farmers in New York. I never noticed my milk prices going down, but I’m sure someone made money. | ||
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On October 02 2018 05:01 Plansix wrote: And the guy who did it moved on to do other things after he got undercut by a bunch of farmers in New York. I never noticed my milk prices going down, but I’m sure someone made money. watch for those new york farmers to cut into some of the market quebec farmers currently hold. However, i'll take that 100 times over a 25% tariff on ontario's automobiles and parts though. | ||
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Logo
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On October 02 2018 05:01 Plansix wrote: I generally support tax breaks and incentives for the people who make food, because cheap food is important. Obviously these large scale operations making hand over fist off of those tax breaks is less than desirable, but I’ll take it over the alternative of the milk industry price cutting itself out of existence. We have no modern context for this, but food shortages are terrifying. And we use milk in everything. And not for thing, but farming is hard work. I worked on a dairy farm in my home town. That job was rough and paid like trash. And the guy who did it moved on to do other things after he got undercut by a bunch of farmers in New York. I never noticed my milk prices going down, but I’m sure someone made money. Eh, you'd think if we're giving out so many breaks we could at least get better sustainable farming practices so the cheap food doesn't just dry up at some point. | ||
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On October 02 2018 05:26 Logo wrote: Eh, you'd think if we're giving out so many breaks we could at least get better sustainable farming practices so the cheap food doesn't just dry up at some point. Agreed. And I would settle for less processed foods filled with corn syrup as well. I was looking to buy some pre-made salsa yesterday and it was a struggle to find any of them that didn’t have a high sugar(corn syrup) content. There is no god damn reason to put sugar in salsa. | ||
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On October 02 2018 05:41 Plansix wrote: Agreed. And I would settle for less processed foods filled with corn syrup as well. I was looking to buy some pre-made salsa yesterday and it was a struggle to find any of them that didn’t have a high sugar(corn syrup) content. There is no god damn reason to put sugar in salsa. Pace Picante sauce. I have that same struggle where I hate sugars/syrup in salsa and Pace is my go to. Almost all others have some sugar or syrup and it's frustrating. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On October 02 2018 04:30 On_Slaught wrote: Big news that everyone should be happy about. It looks like all our (the lefts) bitching paid off and the limits on who to interview have been taken off the FBI just today. Conservatives in this thread should also be happy because if the report still shows nothing then this makes it much more credible. Trump even said he had no problem with them talking to Swetnick as long as it's done by Friday (dunno if that part is official tho). This is a big step in the right direction. Now I'm even more interested to see the final report. https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1046825845371879430 That's definitely a good thing, although with such a short time limit on the investigation, I'd imagine not being able to really flesh out everything/ everyone that could/ should be assessed. | ||
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On October 02 2018 05:23 JimmiC wrote: Good point, keep food available and cheap is great for society on the whole. Being a Farm Labourer is hard work. Owning a farm is not. My grandfather was crazy strong from working his whole life, even into his 80's he could crush my hand in a squeeze off. My cousins their biggest danger is dead leg from sitting the tractor all day. They have automatic feeders and hired hands for anything crappy. Work long hours in the summer take long vacations in the winter. And they own what would be considered a small farm. It's pretty good deal now a days. When I was young you would meet farmers and they wouldn't have a lot of money but they would be proud to be working for themselves. Now when you hear farmer you think rich. And you basically half to be the tractors, combines and so on are at least 500,000 k and you need a ton of land to have that make you money. That equipment, etc. isn't necessarily a sign of wealth, just that farming is a capital intensive business. Farmers can (and many do) finance just about everything on their farm. The land can be under mortgage, the seed, etc. can be done under a purchase agreement, the equipment is leased, that sort of thing. In accounting terms, there's a big balance sheet, but the income/ margins are likely small. There are certainly farmers who do own most of their own stuff and are even able to loan it out to other farmers and they have it good, but they're generally the exception to the rule. Also, John Deere, etc. are being jerks about right to repair. So equipment is getting even more expensive, in essence. | ||
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On October 02 2018 06:00 RenSC2 wrote: Pace Picante sauce. I have that same struggle where I hate sugars/syrup in salsa and Pace is my go to. Almost all others have some sugar or syrup and it's frustrating. It’s pre-prepared food in America. I almost bought a frozen pizza a while ago that had like 30ish grams of sugar in it. And like a old man I was standing asking my wife where they put the 25 extra grams of sugar in this pizza. It has to be in the sauce, because it would ruin the dough. | ||
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