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On October 01 2018 23:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2018 23:40 Velr wrote:
Didn't Trudeau do the trade agreement with the EU? Or was that allready basically done and he only had to sign it? yes, however, its not nearly as big of a trading relationship as the Canada/US trade relationship. A Canada/USA trade deal is far more important to Canada. Hopefully, its important to the USA as well. i can't really say how good Trump or past presidents have been at dealing with Canada. That's up to you guys to decide. However, if i were to assign a letter grade to how Justin Trudeau has dealt with the USA so far i'd give him a "C". By comparison I'd give past prime minister Pierre Trudeau an "A+" and past prime minister Jean Chretien an "A". i'd give most recent former PM Stephen Harper a "B". the difference between genius and average is stark... and its sad to watch.
Negotiations for CETA were finished before Trudeau took office. He didn't really do anything for it.
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I'd probably argue this is the Tit, rather then the Tat. Remember, how many Benghazi investigations did we need in attempt after attempt to smear Clinton?
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Trudeau is gonna get politically body slammed after those pharma and dairy concessions. What a mess. I'm so disappointed in Trudeau. American dairy is soft-banned for a reason and the pharmaceutical practices of the US are among the least moral industries. Just so sad.
Edit: To clarify, within Canada, American dairy is seen as dog shit resulting from insufficient regulations. This is the equivalent to being told Chinese milk is totally fine in the US.
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On October 01 2018 23:12 Plansix wrote:Flake said during an interview this weekend that lying to the committee would be enough for him to vote no. I think the FBI investigation serves two purposes, to investigate the facts and to give senators time to discuss how Kavanaugh behaved during the hearing. Because he seems to be telling a lot of little white lies about his past while under oath. Show nested quote +On October 01 2018 23:10 solidbebe wrote:
Holy fuck am I seeing an actual concentration camp in America in 2018???
I would put it up there with the camps we created for Japanese citizens during WW2.
The WW2 ones were particularly bad because they were for US citizens, not Japanese ones. This is somewhat less bad because they’re not just picking up Americans of the wrong ancestry. Still bad, but not internment.
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On October 02 2018 00:47 Mohdoo wrote:
Trudeau is gonna get politically body slammed after those pharma and dairy concessions. What a mess. I'm so disappointed in Trudeau. American dairy is soft-banned for a reason and the pharmaceutical practices of the US are among the least moral industries. Just so sad.
Edit: To clarify, within Canada, American dairy is seen as dog shit resulting from insufficient regulations. This is the equivalent to being told Chinese milk is totally fine in the US.
US farmers are killing themselves because milk wholesale prices have been below cost for years now. Canadian consumers subsidize Canadian dairy farmers so they don’t have to kill themselves. The tariffs exist for a reason, Canadians didn’t want American suicide milk and were willing to pay a little more not to emulate it. It’s not the Canadians screwing over US dairy farmers, it’s the US gov. And buebthr US is trying to export their failures.
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On October 02 2018 01:10 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2018 23:12 Plansix wrote:Flake said during an interview this weekend that lying to the committee would be enough for him to vote no. I think the FBI investigation serves two purposes, to investigate the facts and to give senators time to discuss how Kavanaugh behaved during the hearing. Because he seems to be telling a lot of little white lies about his past while under oath. On October 01 2018 23:10 solidbebe wrote:
Holy fuck am I seeing an actual concentration camp in America in 2018???
I would put it up there with the camps we created for Japanese citizens during WW2. The WW2 ones were particularly bad because they were for US citizens, not Japanese ones. This is somewhat less bad because they’re not just picking up Americans of the wrong ancestry. Still bad, but not internment.
Yeah, I feel weighing US citizens in camps vs children in camps is like debating which flavor of monstrous and shameful we prefer.
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On October 02 2018 01:22 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2018 01:10 KwarK wrote:On October 01 2018 23:12 Plansix wrote:Flake said during an interview this weekend that lying to the committee would be enough for him to vote no. I think the FBI investigation serves two purposes, to investigate the facts and to give senators time to discuss how Kavanaugh behaved during the hearing. Because he seems to be telling a lot of little white lies about his past while under oath. On October 01 2018 23:10 solidbebe wrote:
Holy fuck am I seeing an actual concentration camp in America in 2018???
I would put it up there with the camps we created for Japanese citizens during WW2. The WW2 ones were particularly bad because they were for US citizens, not Japanese ones. This is somewhat less bad because they’re not just picking up Americans of the wrong ancestry. Still bad, but not internment. Yeah, I feel weighing US citizens in camps vs children in camps is like debating which flavor of monstrous and shameful we prefer.
I prefer not to distinguish. They're all part of someone's family, and they'd all want a fair shake at life, the same as anyone else. We should never have gotten this close to the Japanese internment camps. It shouldn't smell the same, but it does.
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On October 02 2018 01:32 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2018 01:22 Plansix wrote:On October 02 2018 01:10 KwarK wrote:On October 01 2018 23:12 Plansix wrote:Flake said during an interview this weekend that lying to the committee would be enough for him to vote no. I think the FBI investigation serves two purposes, to investigate the facts and to give senators time to discuss how Kavanaugh behaved during the hearing. Because he seems to be telling a lot of little white lies about his past while under oath. On October 01 2018 23:10 solidbebe wrote:
Holy fuck am I seeing an actual concentration camp in America in 2018???
I would put it up there with the camps we created for Japanese citizens during WW2. The WW2 ones were particularly bad because they were for US citizens, not Japanese ones. This is somewhat less bad because they’re not just picking up Americans of the wrong ancestry. Still bad, but not internment. Yeah, I feel weighing US citizens in camps vs children in camps is like debating which flavor of monstrous and shameful we prefer. I prefer not to distinguish. They're all part of someone's family, and they'd all want a fair shake at life, the same as anyone else. We should never have gotten this close to the Japanese internment camps. It shouldn't smell the same, but it does.
'This close' seems to imply that you're not there already. If they're shipping children off into the desert... well, how much reporting is there really going to be about what goes on there?
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On October 02 2018 01:38 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2018 01:32 NewSunshine wrote:On October 02 2018 01:22 Plansix wrote:On October 02 2018 01:10 KwarK wrote:On October 01 2018 23:12 Plansix wrote:Flake said during an interview this weekend that lying to the committee would be enough for him to vote no. I think the FBI investigation serves two purposes, to investigate the facts and to give senators time to discuss how Kavanaugh behaved during the hearing. Because he seems to be telling a lot of little white lies about his past while under oath. On October 01 2018 23:10 solidbebe wrote:
Holy fuck am I seeing an actual concentration camp in America in 2018???
I would put it up there with the camps we created for Japanese citizens during WW2. The WW2 ones were particularly bad because they were for US citizens, not Japanese ones. This is somewhat less bad because they’re not just picking up Americans of the wrong ancestry. Still bad, but not internment. Yeah, I feel weighing US citizens in camps vs children in camps is like debating which flavor of monstrous and shameful we prefer. I prefer not to distinguish. They're all part of someone's family, and they'd all want a fair shake at life, the same as anyone else. We should never have gotten this close to the Japanese internment camps. It shouldn't smell the same, but it does. 'This close' seems to imply that you're not there already. If they're shipping children off into the desert... well, how much reporting is there really going to be about what goes on there?
I mean, you're probably right. For whatever reason, I still prefer to let our leadership disappoint me when it comes to ethics and... well, leadership writ large. Call me naive.
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I know we are in waiting mode, but a minor update on the Kavanaugh investigation.
The New Yorker is reporting that a Yale classmate who can corrborate Ramirez's story is having trouble getting his story in. He isnt the only person reporting trouble doing this. Apparently there are others who the FBI wont listen to regarding their statements contesting things Kavanaughs said during the hearing. How much do you want to bet that his account doesnt show up anywhere in the final report? Not looking good Introvert.
The same article notes how another classmate has come out and said Kavanaugh's statements about his drinking were a lie. He is also going to the FBI, though I doubt they will listen to him since the truth of Kavanaugh's statements beyond the sexual misconduct accusations are off limits per SHS. Definitely what you'd expect if the WH thought he was telling the truth. /s
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I saw the report that the FBI isn't interview some folks who feel they have useful information about the Ramirez claim(it might be the same guy). But I think we should be cautious about jumping to conclusions. If the FBI has a couple interviews to back up Ramirez's story, they may not be interested in more on that subject. Of course if there is no information about corroborating witnesses to Ramirez's story one way or the other, then the report would be suspect.
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I don't agree with their existence and I've stated that the red cross should be in charge of the camps at the very least (or some sort of international organization like the UN) but I believe we really need to make the distinction between concentration camps and internment camps. These aren't death camps and while they're wholly indefensible it's important I feel to make the distinction.
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Concentration camp doesn't necessitate killing. It just has that connotation because the only time we regularly use that phrase is in regards to WW2.
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On October 02 2018 01:58 Sermokala wrote:
I don't agree with their existence and I've stated that the red cross should be in charge of the camps at the very least (or some sort of international organization like the UN) but I believe we really need to make the distinction between concentration camps and internment camps. These aren't death camps and while they're wholly indefensible it's important I feel to make the distinction.
The US camps for the Japanese citizens were considered concentration camps. They are referred to as such in US history books and by the general public. The US never sent those citizens off to their death. Given those facts, I feel the use of concentration camps is appropriate. The term in general is to describe a camp with inadequate facilities housing a large number of people awaiting some outcome. Not that all the people within the camp will be executed.
Edit: I do agree with the sentiment of your post though. The terms should not be used as reference to the ghettos and camps of Nazi Germany. That sort of comparison is so far off base that it shouldn't be taken seriously.
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On October 02 2018 01:58 Sermokala wrote:
I don't agree with their existence and I've stated that the red cross should be in charge of the camps at the very least (or some sort of international organization like the UN) but I believe we really need to make the distinction between concentration camps and internment camps. These aren't death camps and while they're wholly indefensible it's important I feel to make the distinction.
They mean the same thing, historically at least. Internment Camps are just concentration camps that try to eschew the baggage of what a concentration camp is and sell something more palatable. It's an intentional shifting of words to sell an idea in a better light.
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On October 02 2018 01:58 Sermokala wrote:
I don't agree with their existence and I've stated that the red cross should be in charge of the camps at the very least (or some sort of international organization like the UN) but I believe we really need to make the distinction between concentration camps and internment camps. These aren't death camps and while they're wholly indefensible it's important I feel to make the distinction. the distinction is between concentration/internment camps and death camps.
Not all concentration camps were death camps, tho people were often send from one to the other.
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On October 02 2018 01:55 Plansix wrote:
I saw the report that the FBI isn't interview some folks who feel they have useful information about the Ramirez claim(it might be the same guy). But I think we should be cautious about jumping to conclusions. If the FBI has a couple interviews to back up Ramirez's story, they may not be interested in more on that subject. Of course if there is no information about corroborating witnesses to Ramirez's story one way or the other, then the report would be suspect.
So if they have a few people corroborating already then just ignore someone else coming to you saying the same? You and I both know that this report will ultimately be mostly, if not entirely, he said she said, so the more voices behind she said that come forward the stronger her stance is, and vice versa.
I'm not saying this testimony wont be in the report. I'm just raising the flag that we need to look for it in the final report because this guy, and others, are having a harder time than they should getting this info in the hands of the right people.
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On October 02 2018 02:12 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2018 01:55 Plansix wrote:
I saw the report that the FBI isn't interview some folks who feel they have useful information about the Ramirez claim(it might be the same guy). But I think we should be cautious about jumping to conclusions. If the FBI has a couple interviews to back up Ramirez's story, they may not be interested in more on that subject. Of course if there is no information about corroborating witnesses to Ramirez's story one way or the other, then the report would be suspect. So if they have a few people corroborating already then just ignore someone else coming to you saying the same? You and I both know that this report will ultimately be mostly, if not entirely, he said she said, so the more voices behind she said that come forward the stronger her stance is, and vice versa. I'm not saying this testimony wont be in the report. I'm just raising the flag that we need to look for it in the final report because this guy, and others, are having a harder time than they should getting this info in the hands of the right people.
It is resource allocation and obtaining a complete picture. At some point the investigator is collecting redundant information in support of a claim and might be missing out on other information because of it. I am not saying that is what happened in this case, but it does happen. I am always doubtful of the people who say "I have very valuable information for the FBI and they won't talk to me."
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On October 02 2018 02:08 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2018 01:58 Sermokala wrote:
I don't agree with their existence and I've stated that the red cross should be in charge of the camps at the very least (or some sort of international organization like the UN) but I believe we really need to make the distinction between concentration camps and internment camps. These aren't death camps and while they're wholly indefensible it's important I feel to make the distinction. the distinction is between concentration/internment camps and death camps. Not all concentration camps were death camps, tho people were often send from one to the other.
I make this distinction when I call it an internment camp. Though there is little difference between internment/concentration camps, the connotation from Nazi Germany is that they are essentially death camps. We're not there yet. But my hopes are not high for it to stay that way.
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