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Seditious Democrat mayor of Denver has insisted he would go to jail to defy federal immigration law. But seemed to walk back previous blustering that he would actively deploy city police against federal personnel. What is these leaders' issue with the rule of law? Also seemed to intimate that 10% of his population are illegal immigrants:
"I think we're gonna look at every option," Johnston said. "But, yeah. I talked to some high school kids this week who were terrified about this. I don't think those kids are gonna stand there and watch three of their classmates get pulled out of a history class while the other 27 stand by and do nothing. I don't think that's what Denverites or Americans would do in this context at all."
https://www.9news.com/article/news/politics/denver-mayor-mike-johnston-police-officers-block-trump-deportation/73-99dcea89-e9ad-4e11-ad1e-d3facd6e5519
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Trump is your guy. Bluster over rule of law is a clown parade.
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On November 25 2024 13:53 oBlade wrote:
What is these leaders' issue with the rule of law?
I dunno, that's a good question. I seem to recall a former president that was charged and convicted of several different crimes, yet he's been held to no actual account whatsoever. There's a serious problem in this country where the power structure very much turns a blind eye to the rule of law when it feels like it.
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On November 24 2024 10:13 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2024 10:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 24 2024 09:41 Magic Powers wrote:On November 24 2024 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 24 2024 08:06 Magic Powers wrote:On November 24 2024 06:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 24 2024 04:49 Magic Powers wrote:On November 24 2024 03:14 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 24 2024 01:11 Magic Powers wrote:
Saying Democrats are not Republican enough is not going to convince anyone. Clearly you're not familiar with Democrats. Democrats single biggest achievement in our lifetimes has been to pass a healthcare plan that's to THE RIGHT of what Nixon proposed. Few people today would dare call President Richard Nixon a radical liberal. But 44 years ago, he proposed a health plan that went far beyond what today’s Affordable Care Act includes.
Looking at this comparison of the plans, Freed says, it’s easy to see that Nixon’s proposals were far more “liberal” than what passed under the Affordable Care Act during President Obama’s first term. ihpi.umich.edu Yeah I agree with you. I'm saying Democrats are already right-wing enough. Moving further to the right makes no sense. The problem was you saying "Saying Democrats are not Republican enough is not going to convince anyone." It convinces Democrats/their supporters and has for decades. Doesn't matter how obviously stupid, destructive, cruel, etc. it is. Remember we're in the midst of libs/Dems already rationalizing their support for genocide, slavery, and arming Nazis. I'd say that's more than right wing enough, but they'll just keep ratcheting rightward with the support of their voters anyway. @GH I recommend that you read this article. It explains the reasoning behind the funding. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/12/europe/us-weapons-azov-brigade-ukraine-intl/index.html I've read their rationalizations for arming and training Nazis before? On November 24 2024 07:59 Luolis wrote:On November 24 2024 07:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 24 2024 06:43 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I'm not sure I've ever seen you say what you think the west should have done in response to Russia's 2022 invasion of Ukraine. Normally I don't have a hard time seeing a logically consistent world view from your postings but in this regard you've specified on multiple occasions that Putin's invasion is <insert x bad superlative here> yet you also seem opposed to the response to it. Saying 'they would've been better off maintaining 2013 trajectory than they are now' also isn't an answer to what the west was supposed to do in 2022. This is more of the typical "dick in the bear trap" + Show Spoiler +This is a staple of US politics (climate change is one people are generally more familiar with) where after decades of shouting down the people (pretty much always socialists and whoever else they can get to come along) telling them not to stick their proverbial dicks in the bear trap, they turn — bloody member in hand — to ask what their bright idea is to fix the fact that their dick was severed by a bear trap.
Then once reattached, exclaim they have no good reason for them not to stick it in again. Then when they've ignored the warnings long enough and they've done it enough times that reattaching it isn't an option they look around and decide dicks are overrated and anyone that doesn't agree is the problem. stuff I've mentioned before. Presuming you're specifically talking about the "arming Nazis" part, you don't let Obama lift the ban on arming Nazis. Then when you miraculously get Trump to ban arming Nazis go ahead and have Biden lift the ban on arming Nazis again. Setting that clear Democrat support of arming/training neo-Nazis aside... I think it ultimately has to be up to Ukrainians to determine what they do, but all the dicks are pretty well mangled at this point, so the options aren't pretty. Without speculating too much about what could have been done to avoid Russia invading at all in 2022, under realpolitik lesser evilism, the reasonable response would be to maximise the pros/minimizing the cons in the negotiations and settle asap. Saving hundreds of thousands of casualties and hundreds of billions of dollars. In turn those millions/billions of limbs, lives, and resources could have went toward improving the quality of lives of Westerners, Ukrainians, (and Russians for anyone that still recognizes their humanity) instead of being blown up for nothing "democracy". Which again, a democracy that is on hold indefinitely, and has actually gotten worse since before Maidan. How the fuck can you be pro-palestine and anti-ukraine at the same time. Make it make sense. I'm pro-Palestinian and pro-Ukrainian. The "mystery" is why libs/Dems are so genocidally anti-Palestinian. I'm not trying to convince you, just trying to help you understand the reason. There was an investigation into war crimes by the Azov brigade and they came out clean. They were also essential in defending Mariupol. Their Nazi history is a serious issue, but Ukraine needs every soldier they can get. I'm sure even you can acknowledge that fact. The same "investigators" that say Israel isn't committing war crimes. Can close both those cases I guess /s The cruel irony that the same people insisting Ukraine's "revolution" is rational and should continue to be fought no matter the human cost based on the alternative of having a government beholden to Putin are totally supportive of USians willingly handing control of the most lethal military in the world over to someone they insist they KNOW collaborated with Putin as his useful idiot to overthrow US democracy and install himself as a dictator seems lost on everyone but me at this point. Ok, so what do you propose? Ukraine gives up and lets Russia genocide them?
No. I think it's probably a good idea for both the US and Ukraine to do whatever is necessary for their country not to be run by a useful idiot for Putin.
That would mean not freely handing control of the most lethal military in the world over to a guy libs/Dems are sure is a useful idiot for Putin AND WILL IMMEDIATELY PRESSURE/FORCE UKRAINE TO CONCEDE. Maybe fight against the US being taken over by useful idiot for Putin comparably hard as they have/have expected from Ukrainians (who don't have the most lethal military in the world).
Or libs/Dems could just also tell Ukrainians like they are telling people like me in the US: "Sure, having a leader that's a useful idiot for Putin sucks, but it's better to have that than to have the consequences of refusing to accept that".
That would be another way for them to resolve the contradiction and probably what they ultimately will do if/when Ukraine negotiates negative peace, Russia is reluctantly welcomed back into trade with the West, and they remember how to look at Ukrainian revolutionaries like Dav1oN like they look at me.
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You know your writing has become increasingly vague and obfuscating.
Are you plotting an assassination or your own version of January 6 or encouraging others to do the same or what is going on here with 'do whatever is necessary'?
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On November 25 2024 15:46 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2024 15:28 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 24 2024 10:13 Luolis wrote:On November 24 2024 10:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 24 2024 09:41 Magic Powers wrote:On November 24 2024 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 24 2024 08:06 Magic Powers wrote:On November 24 2024 06:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 24 2024 04:49 Magic Powers wrote:On November 24 2024 03:14 GreenHorizons wrote:[quote] Clearly you're not familiar with Democrats. Democrats single biggest achievement in our lifetimes has been to pass a healthcare plan that's to THE RIGHT of what Nixon proposed. [quote] ihpi.umich.edu Yeah I agree with you. I'm saying Democrats are already right-wing enough. Moving further to the right makes no sense. The problem was you saying "Saying Democrats are not Republican enough is not going to convince anyone." It convinces Democrats/their supporters and has for decades. Doesn't matter how obviously stupid, destructive, cruel, etc. it is. Remember we're in the midst of libs/Dems already rationalizing their support for genocide, slavery, and arming Nazis. I'd say that's more than right wing enough, but they'll just keep ratcheting rightward with the support of their voters anyway. @GH I recommend that you read this article. It explains the reasoning behind the funding. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/12/europe/us-weapons-azov-brigade-ukraine-intl/index.html I've read their rationalizations for arming and training Nazis before? On November 24 2024 07:59 Luolis wrote:On November 24 2024 07:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 24 2024 06:43 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I'm not sure I've ever seen you say what you think the west should have done in response to Russia's 2022 invasion of Ukraine. Normally I don't have a hard time seeing a logically consistent world view from your postings but in this regard you've specified on multiple occasions that Putin's invasion is <insert x bad superlative here> yet you also seem opposed to the response to it. Saying 'they would've been better off maintaining 2013 trajectory than they are now' also isn't an answer to what the west was supposed to do in 2022. This is more of the typical "dick in the bear trap" + Show Spoiler +This is a staple of US politics (climate change is one people are generally more familiar with) where after decades of shouting down the people (pretty much always socialists and whoever else they can get to come along) telling them not to stick their proverbial dicks in the bear trap, they turn — bloody member in hand — to ask what their bright idea is to fix the fact that their dick was severed by a bear trap.
Then once reattached, exclaim they have no good reason for them not to stick it in again. Then when they've ignored the warnings long enough and they've done it enough times that reattaching it isn't an option they look around and decide dicks are overrated and anyone that doesn't agree is the problem. stuff I've mentioned before. Presuming you're specifically talking about the "arming Nazis" part, you don't let Obama lift the ban on arming Nazis. Then when you miraculously get Trump to ban arming Nazis go ahead and have Biden lift the ban on arming Nazis again. Setting that clear Democrat support of arming/training neo-Nazis aside... I think it ultimately has to be up to Ukrainians to determine what they do, but all the dicks are pretty well mangled at this point, so the options aren't pretty. Without speculating too much about what could have been done to avoid Russia invading at all in 2022, under realpolitik lesser evilism, the reasonable response would be to maximise the pros/minimizing the cons in the negotiations and settle asap. Saving hundreds of thousands of casualties and hundreds of billions of dollars. In turn those millions/billions of limbs, lives, and resources could have went toward improving the quality of lives of Westerners, Ukrainians, (and Russians for anyone that still recognizes their humanity) instead of being blown up for nothing "democracy". Which again, a democracy that is on hold indefinitely, and has actually gotten worse since before Maidan. How the fuck can you be pro-palestine and anti-ukraine at the same time. Make it make sense. I'm pro-Palestinian and pro-Ukrainian. The "mystery" is why libs/Dems are so genocidally anti-Palestinian. I'm not trying to convince you, just trying to help you understand the reason. There was an investigation into war crimes by the Azov brigade and they came out clean. They were also essential in defending Mariupol. Their Nazi history is a serious issue, but Ukraine needs every soldier they can get. I'm sure even you can acknowledge that fact. The same "investigators" that say Israel isn't committing war crimes. Can close both those cases I guess /s The cruel irony that the same people insisting Ukraine's "revolution" is rational and should continue to be fought no matter the human cost based on the alternative of having a government beholden to Putin are totally supportive of USians willingly handing control of the most lethal military in the world over to someone they insist they KNOW collaborated with Putin as his useful idiot to overthrow US democracy and install himself as a dictator seems lost on everyone but me at this point. Ok, so what do you propose? Ukraine gives up and lets Russia genocide them? No. I think it's probably a good idea for both the US and Ukraine to do whatever is necessary for their country not to be run by a useful idiot for Putin. That would mean not freely handing control of the most lethal military in the world over to a guy libs/Dems are sure is a useful idiot for Putin AND WILL IMMEDIATELY PRESSURE/FORCE UKRAINE TO CONCEDE. Maybe fight against the US being taken over by useful idiot for Putin comparably hard as they have/have expected from Ukrainians (who don't have the most lethal military in the world). Or libs/Dems could just also tell Ukrainians like they are telling people like me in the US: "Sure, having a leader that's a useful idiot for Putin sucks, but it's better to have that than to have the consequences of refusing to accept that". That would be another way for them to resolve the contradiction and probably what they ultimately will do if/when Ukraine negotiates negative peace, Russia is reluctantly welcomed back into trade with the West, and they remember how to look at Ukrainian revolutionaries like Dav1oN like they look at me. You know your writing has become increasingly vague and obfuscating. Are you plotting an assassination or your own version of January 6 or encouraging others to do the same or what is going on here with 'do whatever is necessary'?
Is that what you deem necessary to prevent Ukraine/the US from being run by a useful idiot for Putin?
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On November 25 2024 15:55 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2024 15:46 Falling wrote:On November 25 2024 15:28 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 24 2024 10:13 Luolis wrote:On November 24 2024 10:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 24 2024 09:41 Magic Powers wrote:On November 24 2024 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 24 2024 08:06 Magic Powers wrote:On November 24 2024 06:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 24 2024 04:49 Magic Powers wrote:
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Yeah I agree with you. I'm saying Democrats are already right-wing enough. Moving further to the right makes no sense. The problem was you saying "Saying Democrats are not Republican enough is not going to convince anyone." It convinces Democrats/their supporters and has for decades. Doesn't matter how obviously stupid, destructive, cruel, etc. it is. Remember we're in the midst of libs/Dems already rationalizing their support for genocide, slavery, and arming Nazis. I'd say that's more than right wing enough, but they'll just keep ratcheting rightward with the support of their voters anyway. @GH I recommend that you read this article. It explains the reasoning behind the funding. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/12/europe/us-weapons-azov-brigade-ukraine-intl/index.html I've read their rationalizations for arming and training Nazis before? On November 24 2024 07:59 Luolis wrote:On November 24 2024 07:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 24 2024 06:43 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I'm not sure I've ever seen you say what you think the west should have done in response to Russia's 2022 invasion of Ukraine. Normally I don't have a hard time seeing a logically consistent world view from your postings but in this regard you've specified on multiple occasions that Putin's invasion is <insert x bad superlative here> yet you also seem opposed to the response to it. Saying 'they would've been better off maintaining 2013 trajectory than they are now' also isn't an answer to what the west was supposed to do in 2022. This is more of the typical "dick in the bear trap" + Show Spoiler +This is a staple of US politics (climate change is one people are generally more familiar with) where after decades of shouting down the people (pretty much always socialists and whoever else they can get to come along) telling them not to stick their proverbial dicks in the bear trap, they turn — bloody member in hand — to ask what their bright idea is to fix the fact that their dick was severed by a bear trap.
Then once reattached, exclaim they have no good reason for them not to stick it in again. Then when they've ignored the warnings long enough and they've done it enough times that reattaching it isn't an option they look around and decide dicks are overrated and anyone that doesn't agree is the problem. stuff I've mentioned before. Presuming you're specifically talking about the "arming Nazis" part, you don't let Obama lift the ban on arming Nazis. Then when you miraculously get Trump to ban arming Nazis go ahead and have Biden lift the ban on arming Nazis again. Setting that clear Democrat support of arming/training neo-Nazis aside... I think it ultimately has to be up to Ukrainians to determine what they do, but all the dicks are pretty well mangled at this point, so the options aren't pretty. Without speculating too much about what could have been done to avoid Russia invading at all in 2022, under realpolitik lesser evilism, the reasonable response would be to maximise the pros/minimizing the cons in the negotiations and settle asap. Saving hundreds of thousands of casualties and hundreds of billions of dollars. In turn those millions/billions of limbs, lives, and resources could have went toward improving the quality of lives of Westerners, Ukrainians, (and Russians for anyone that still recognizes their humanity) instead of being blown up for nothing "democracy". Which again, a democracy that is on hold indefinitely, and has actually gotten worse since before Maidan. How the fuck can you be pro-palestine and anti-ukraine at the same time. Make it make sense. I'm pro-Palestinian and pro-Ukrainian. The "mystery" is why libs/Dems are so genocidally anti-Palestinian. I'm not trying to convince you, just trying to help you understand the reason. There was an investigation into war crimes by the Azov brigade and they came out clean. They were also essential in defending Mariupol. Their Nazi history is a serious issue, but Ukraine needs every soldier they can get. I'm sure even you can acknowledge that fact. The same "investigators" that say Israel isn't committing war crimes. Can close both those cases I guess /s The cruel irony that the same people insisting Ukraine's "revolution" is rational and should continue to be fought no matter the human cost based on the alternative of having a government beholden to Putin are totally supportive of USians willingly handing control of the most lethal military in the world over to someone they insist they KNOW collaborated with Putin as his useful idiot to overthrow US democracy and install himself as a dictator seems lost on everyone but me at this point. Ok, so what do you propose? Ukraine gives up and lets Russia genocide them? No. I think it's probably a good idea for both the US and Ukraine to do whatever is necessary for their country not to be run by a useful idiot for Putin. That would mean not freely handing control of the most lethal military in the world over to a guy libs/Dems are sure is a useful idiot for Putin AND WILL IMMEDIATELY PRESSURE/FORCE UKRAINE TO CONCEDE. Maybe fight against the US being taken over by useful idiot for Putin comparably hard as they have/have expected from Ukrainians (who don't have the most lethal military in the world). Or libs/Dems could just also tell Ukrainians like they are telling people like me in the US: "Sure, having a leader that's a useful idiot for Putin sucks, but it's better to have that than to have the consequences of refusing to accept that". That would be another way for them to resolve the contradiction and probably what they ultimately will do if/when Ukraine negotiates negative peace, Russia is reluctantly welcomed back into trade with the West, and they remember how to look at Ukrainian revolutionaries like Dav1oN like they look at me. You know your writing has become increasingly vague and obfuscating. Are you plotting an assassination or your own version of January 6 or encouraging others to do the same or what is going on here with 'do whatever is necessary'? Is that what you deem necessary to prevent Ukraine/the US from being run by a useful idiot for Putin?
What was necessary was for more people to vote for the Democrat candidate than Trump, especially in certain states. That means actually voting for the Democrat and also encouraging others to do so as well. Spending the last however many years saying the Democrats are just as bad as Trump seems completely counter productive.
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On November 25 2024 14:52 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2024 13:53 oBlade wrote:
What is these leaders' issue with the rule of law? I dunno, that's a good question. I seem to recall a former president that was charged and convicted of several different crimes, yet he's been held to no actual account whatsoever. There's a serious problem in this country where the power structure very much turns a blind eye to the rule of law when it feels like it.
That's future president, despite your best efforts.
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On November 25 2024 15:55 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2024 15:46 Falling wrote:On November 25 2024 15:28 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 24 2024 10:13 Luolis wrote:On November 24 2024 10:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 24 2024 09:41 Magic Powers wrote:On November 24 2024 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 24 2024 08:06 Magic Powers wrote:On November 24 2024 06:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 24 2024 04:49 Magic Powers wrote:
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Yeah I agree with you. I'm saying Democrats are already right-wing enough. Moving further to the right makes no sense. The problem was you saying "Saying Democrats are not Republican enough is not going to convince anyone." It convinces Democrats/their supporters and has for decades. Doesn't matter how obviously stupid, destructive, cruel, etc. it is. Remember we're in the midst of libs/Dems already rationalizing their support for genocide, slavery, and arming Nazis. I'd say that's more than right wing enough, but they'll just keep ratcheting rightward with the support of their voters anyway. @GH I recommend that you read this article. It explains the reasoning behind the funding. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/12/europe/us-weapons-azov-brigade-ukraine-intl/index.html I've read their rationalizations for arming and training Nazis before? On November 24 2024 07:59 Luolis wrote:On November 24 2024 07:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 24 2024 06:43 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I'm not sure I've ever seen you say what you think the west should have done in response to Russia's 2022 invasion of Ukraine. Normally I don't have a hard time seeing a logically consistent world view from your postings but in this regard you've specified on multiple occasions that Putin's invasion is <insert x bad superlative here> yet you also seem opposed to the response to it. Saying 'they would've been better off maintaining 2013 trajectory than they are now' also isn't an answer to what the west was supposed to do in 2022. This is more of the typical "dick in the bear trap" + Show Spoiler +This is a staple of US politics (climate change is one people are generally more familiar with) where after decades of shouting down the people (pretty much always socialists and whoever else they can get to come along) telling them not to stick their proverbial dicks in the bear trap, they turn — bloody member in hand — to ask what their bright idea is to fix the fact that their dick was severed by a bear trap.
Then once reattached, exclaim they have no good reason for them not to stick it in again. Then when they've ignored the warnings long enough and they've done it enough times that reattaching it isn't an option they look around and decide dicks are overrated and anyone that doesn't agree is the problem. stuff I've mentioned before. Presuming you're specifically talking about the "arming Nazis" part, you don't let Obama lift the ban on arming Nazis. Then when you miraculously get Trump to ban arming Nazis go ahead and have Biden lift the ban on arming Nazis again. Setting that clear Democrat support of arming/training neo-Nazis aside... I think it ultimately has to be up to Ukrainians to determine what they do, but all the dicks are pretty well mangled at this point, so the options aren't pretty. Without speculating too much about what could have been done to avoid Russia invading at all in 2022, under realpolitik lesser evilism, the reasonable response would be to maximise the pros/minimizing the cons in the negotiations and settle asap. Saving hundreds of thousands of casualties and hundreds of billions of dollars. In turn those millions/billions of limbs, lives, and resources could have went toward improving the quality of lives of Westerners, Ukrainians, (and Russians for anyone that still recognizes their humanity) instead of being blown up for nothing "democracy". Which again, a democracy that is on hold indefinitely, and has actually gotten worse since before Maidan. How the fuck can you be pro-palestine and anti-ukraine at the same time. Make it make sense. I'm pro-Palestinian and pro-Ukrainian. The "mystery" is why libs/Dems are so genocidally anti-Palestinian. I'm not trying to convince you, just trying to help you understand the reason. There was an investigation into war crimes by the Azov brigade and they came out clean. They were also essential in defending Mariupol. Their Nazi history is a serious issue, but Ukraine needs every soldier they can get. I'm sure even you can acknowledge that fact. The same "investigators" that say Israel isn't committing war crimes. Can close both those cases I guess /s The cruel irony that the same people insisting Ukraine's "revolution" is rational and should continue to be fought no matter the human cost based on the alternative of having a government beholden to Putin are totally supportive of USians willingly handing control of the most lethal military in the world over to someone they insist they KNOW collaborated with Putin as his useful idiot to overthrow US democracy and install himself as a dictator seems lost on everyone but me at this point. Ok, so what do you propose? Ukraine gives up and lets Russia genocide them? No. I think it's probably a good idea for both the US and Ukraine to do whatever is necessary for their country not to be run by a useful idiot for Putin. That would mean not freely handing control of the most lethal military in the world over to a guy libs/Dems are sure is a useful idiot for Putin AND WILL IMMEDIATELY PRESSURE/FORCE UKRAINE TO CONCEDE. Maybe fight against the US being taken over by useful idiot for Putin comparably hard as they have/have expected from Ukrainians (who don't have the most lethal military in the world). Or libs/Dems could just also tell Ukrainians like they are telling people like me in the US: "Sure, having a leader that's a useful idiot for Putin sucks, but it's better to have that than to have the consequences of refusing to accept that". That would be another way for them to resolve the contradiction and probably what they ultimately will do if/when Ukraine negotiates negative peace, Russia is reluctantly welcomed back into trade with the West, and they remember how to look at Ukrainian revolutionaries like Dav1oN like they look at me. You know your writing has become increasingly vague and obfuscating. Are you plotting an assassination or your own version of January 6 or encouraging others to do the same or what is going on here with 'do whatever is necessary'? Is that what you deem necessary to prevent Ukraine/the US from being run by a useful idiot for Putin?
No.
See how easy it is to answer a question in a straight forward manner? (I have also given reasons why not in the past.)
But here you are flipping the question back to me rather than answer directly. So what are you on about?
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On November 25 2024 17:31 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2024 15:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 25 2024 15:46 Falling wrote:On November 25 2024 15:28 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 24 2024 10:13 Luolis wrote:On November 24 2024 10:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 24 2024 09:41 Magic Powers wrote:On November 24 2024 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 24 2024 08:06 Magic Powers wrote:On November 24 2024 06:10 GreenHorizons wrote:
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The problem was you saying "Saying Democrats are not Republican enough is not going to convince anyone."
It convinces Democrats/their supporters and has for decades. Doesn't matter how obviously stupid, destructive, cruel, etc. it is.
Remember we're in the midst of libs/Dems already rationalizing their support for genocide, slavery, and arming Nazis. I'd say that's more than right wing enough, but they'll just keep ratcheting rightward with the support of their voters anyway. @GH I recommend that you read this article. It explains the reasoning behind the funding. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/12/europe/us-weapons-azov-brigade-ukraine-intl/index.html I've read their rationalizations for arming and training Nazis before? On November 24 2024 07:59 Luolis wrote:On November 24 2024 07:37 GreenHorizons wrote:[quote] This is more of the typical "dick in the bear trap" + Show Spoiler +This is a staple of US politics (climate change is one people are generally more familiar with) where after decades of shouting down the people (pretty much always socialists and whoever else they can get to come along) telling them not to stick their proverbial dicks in the bear trap, they turn — bloody member in hand — to ask what their bright idea is to fix the fact that their dick was severed by a bear trap.
Then once reattached, exclaim they have no good reason for them not to stick it in again. Then when they've ignored the warnings long enough and they've done it enough times that reattaching it isn't an option they look around and decide dicks are overrated and anyone that doesn't agree is the problem. stuff I've mentioned before. Presuming you're specifically talking about the "arming Nazis" part, you don't let Obama lift the ban on arming Nazis. Then when you miraculously get Trump to ban arming Nazis go ahead and have Biden lift the ban on arming Nazis again. Setting that clear Democrat support of arming/training neo-Nazis aside... I think it ultimately has to be up to Ukrainians to determine what they do, but all the dicks are pretty well mangled at this point, so the options aren't pretty. Without speculating too much about what could have been done to avoid Russia invading at all in 2022, under realpolitik lesser evilism, the reasonable response would be to maximise the pros/minimizing the cons in the negotiations and settle asap. Saving hundreds of thousands of casualties and hundreds of billions of dollars. In turn those millions/billions of limbs, lives, and resources could have went toward improving the quality of lives of Westerners, Ukrainians, (and Russians for anyone that still recognizes their humanity) instead of being blown up for nothing "democracy". Which again, a democracy that is on hold indefinitely, and has actually gotten worse since before Maidan. How the fuck can you be pro-palestine and anti-ukraine at the same time. Make it make sense. I'm pro-Palestinian and pro-Ukrainian. The "mystery" is why libs/Dems are so genocidally anti-Palestinian. I'm not trying to convince you, just trying to help you understand the reason. There was an investigation into war crimes by the Azov brigade and they came out clean. They were also essential in defending Mariupol. Their Nazi history is a serious issue, but Ukraine needs every soldier they can get. I'm sure even you can acknowledge that fact. The same "investigators" that say Israel isn't committing war crimes. Can close both those cases I guess /s The cruel irony that the same people insisting Ukraine's "revolution" is rational and should continue to be fought no matter the human cost based on the alternative of having a government beholden to Putin are totally supportive of USians willingly handing control of the most lethal military in the world over to someone they insist they KNOW collaborated with Putin as his useful idiot to overthrow US democracy and install himself as a dictator seems lost on everyone but me at this point. Ok, so what do you propose? Ukraine gives up and lets Russia genocide them? No. I think it's probably a good idea for both the US and Ukraine to do whatever is necessary for their country not to be run by a useful idiot for Putin. That would mean not freely handing control of the most lethal military in the world over to a guy libs/Dems are sure is a useful idiot for Putin AND WILL IMMEDIATELY PRESSURE/FORCE UKRAINE TO CONCEDE. Maybe fight against the US being taken over by useful idiot for Putin comparably hard as they have/have expected from Ukrainians (who don't have the most lethal military in the world). Or libs/Dems could just also tell Ukrainians like they are telling people like me in the US: "Sure, having a leader that's a useful idiot for Putin sucks, but it's better to have that than to have the consequences of refusing to accept that". That would be another way for them to resolve the contradiction and probably what they ultimately will do if/when Ukraine negotiates negative peace, Russia is reluctantly welcomed back into trade with the West, and they remember how to look at Ukrainian revolutionaries like Dav1oN like they look at me. You know your writing has become increasingly vague and obfuscating. Are you plotting an assassination or your own version of January 6 or encouraging others to do the same or what is going on here with 'do whatever is necessary'? Is that what you deem necessary to prevent Ukraine/the US from being run by a useful idiot for Putin? No. See how easy it is to answer a question in a straight forward manner? (I have also given reasons why not in the past.) But here you are flipping the question back to me rather than answer directly. So what are you on about?
So Trump can force Ukraine to settle for negative peace. Then Ukrainians and USians can focus on winning their next elections to prevent their governments from being controlled by useful idiots for Putin in your opinion?
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On November 25 2024 17:05 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2024 14:52 NewSunshine wrote:On November 25 2024 13:53 oBlade wrote:
What is these leaders' issue with the rule of law? I dunno, that's a good question. I seem to recall a former president that was charged and convicted of several different crimes, yet he's been held to no actual account whatsoever. There's a serious problem in this country where the power structure very much turns a blind eye to the rule of law when it feels like it. That's future president, despite your best efforts.
I'm aware. Do you know that only makes my point further?
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On November 25 2024 22:45 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2024 17:05 oBlade wrote:On November 25 2024 14:52 NewSunshine wrote:On November 25 2024 13:53 oBlade wrote:
What is these leaders' issue with the rule of law? I dunno, that's a good question. I seem to recall a former president that was charged and convicted of several different crimes, yet he's been held to no actual account whatsoever. There's a serious problem in this country where the power structure very much turns a blind eye to the rule of law when it feels like it. That's future president, despite your best efforts. I'm aware. Do you know that only makes my point further?
Define "actual account" so I'm not just left here assuming it means you want to hang Blumpf because I know you're more rational than that.
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On November 25 2024 22:48 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2024 22:45 NewSunshine wrote:On November 25 2024 17:05 oBlade wrote:On November 25 2024 14:52 NewSunshine wrote:On November 25 2024 13:53 oBlade wrote:
What is these leaders' issue with the rule of law? I dunno, that's a good question. I seem to recall a former president that was charged and convicted of several different crimes, yet he's been held to no actual account whatsoever. There's a serious problem in this country where the power structure very much turns a blind eye to the rule of law when it feels like it. That's future president, despite your best efforts. I'm aware. Do you know that only makes my point further? Define "actual account" so I'm not just left here assuming it means you want to hang Blumpf because I know you're more rational than that.
Any responsibility whatsoever? Sentencing for his felony convictions? Following through on his remaining trials and actually subjecting himself to the rule of law? I didn't say anything about hanging, you're being thick. Follow what I'm saying, I know words are hard, but you can do it.
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On November 25 2024 22:52 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2024 22:48 oBlade wrote:On November 25 2024 22:45 NewSunshine wrote:On November 25 2024 17:05 oBlade wrote:On November 25 2024 14:52 NewSunshine wrote:On November 25 2024 13:53 oBlade wrote:
What is these leaders' issue with the rule of law? I dunno, that's a good question. I seem to recall a former president that was charged and convicted of several different crimes, yet he's been held to no actual account whatsoever. There's a serious problem in this country where the power structure very much turns a blind eye to the rule of law when it feels like it. That's future president, despite your best efforts. I'm aware. Do you know that only makes my point further? Define "actual account" so I'm not just left here assuming it means you want to hang Blumpf because I know you're more rational than that. Any responsibility whatsoever? Sentencing for his felony convictions? Following through on his remaining trials and actually subjecting himself to the rule of law? I didn't say anything about hanging, you're being thick. Follow what I'm saying, I know words are hard, but you can do it.
Did I say you said something about hanging?
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On November 25 2024 22:55 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2024 22:52 NewSunshine wrote:On November 25 2024 22:48 oBlade wrote:On November 25 2024 22:45 NewSunshine wrote:On November 25 2024 17:05 oBlade wrote:On November 25 2024 14:52 NewSunshine wrote:On November 25 2024 13:53 oBlade wrote:
What is these leaders' issue with the rule of law? I dunno, that's a good question. I seem to recall a former president that was charged and convicted of several different crimes, yet he's been held to no actual account whatsoever. There's a serious problem in this country where the power structure very much turns a blind eye to the rule of law when it feels like it. That's future president, despite your best efforts. I'm aware. Do you know that only makes my point further? Define "actual account" so I'm not just left here assuming it means you want to hang Blumpf because I know you're more rational than that. Any responsibility whatsoever? Sentencing for his felony convictions? Following through on his remaining trials and actually subjecting himself to the rule of law? I didn't say anything about hanging, you're being thick. Follow what I'm saying, I know words are hard, but you can do it. Did I say you said something about hanging?
Come on.
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On November 25 2024 22:55 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2024 22:52 NewSunshine wrote:On November 25 2024 22:48 oBlade wrote:On November 25 2024 22:45 NewSunshine wrote:On November 25 2024 17:05 oBlade wrote:On November 25 2024 14:52 NewSunshine wrote:On November 25 2024 13:53 oBlade wrote:
What is these leaders' issue with the rule of law? I dunno, that's a good question. I seem to recall a former president that was charged and convicted of several different crimes, yet he's been held to no actual account whatsoever. There's a serious problem in this country where the power structure very much turns a blind eye to the rule of law when it feels like it. That's future president, despite your best efforts. I'm aware. Do you know that only makes my point further? Define "actual account" so I'm not just left here assuming it means you want to hang Blumpf because I know you're more rational than that. Any responsibility whatsoever? Sentencing for his felony convictions? Following through on his remaining trials and actually subjecting himself to the rule of law? I didn't say anything about hanging, you're being thick. Follow what I'm saying, I know words are hard, but you can do it. Did I say you said something about hanging?
You didn't say he said something about hanging, yet you assumed he meant something about hanging. That's ridiculous.
When you say "Define 'actual account' so I'm not just left here assuming it means you want to hang Blumpf because I know you're more rational than that", that means you think he wants to hang Trump/Blumpf, and you need reassurance that that's not really what he wants to do. That's messed up, even for you.
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On November 25 2024 22:55 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2024 22:52 NewSunshine wrote:On November 25 2024 22:48 oBlade wrote:On November 25 2024 22:45 NewSunshine wrote:On November 25 2024 17:05 oBlade wrote:On November 25 2024 14:52 NewSunshine wrote:On November 25 2024 13:53 oBlade wrote:
What is these leaders' issue with the rule of law? I dunno, that's a good question. I seem to recall a former president that was charged and convicted of several different crimes, yet he's been held to no actual account whatsoever. There's a serious problem in this country where the power structure very much turns a blind eye to the rule of law when it feels like it. That's future president, despite your best efforts. I'm aware. Do you know that only makes my point further? Define "actual account" so I'm not just left here assuming it means you want to hang Blumpf because I know you're more rational than that. Any responsibility whatsoever? Sentencing for his felony convictions? Following through on his remaining trials and actually subjecting himself to the rule of law? I didn't say anything about hanging, you're being thick. Follow what I'm saying, I know words are hard, but you can do it. Did I say you said something about hanging?
I'm sure January 6th taught you a lot about how the law works, but hanging isn't the only punishment we have in our legal system.
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On November 25 2024 23:05 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2024 22:55 oBlade wrote:On November 25 2024 22:52 NewSunshine wrote:On November 25 2024 22:48 oBlade wrote:On November 25 2024 22:45 NewSunshine wrote:On November 25 2024 17:05 oBlade wrote:On November 25 2024 14:52 NewSunshine wrote:On November 25 2024 13:53 oBlade wrote:
What is these leaders' issue with the rule of law? I dunno, that's a good question. I seem to recall a former president that was charged and convicted of several different crimes, yet he's been held to no actual account whatsoever. There's a serious problem in this country where the power structure very much turns a blind eye to the rule of law when it feels like it. That's future president, despite your best efforts. I'm aware. Do you know that only makes my point further? Define "actual account" so I'm not just left here assuming it means you want to hang Blumpf because I know you're more rational than that. Any responsibility whatsoever? Sentencing for his felony convictions? Following through on his remaining trials and actually subjecting himself to the rule of law? I didn't say anything about hanging, you're being thick. Follow what I'm saying, I know words are hard, but you can do it. Did I say you said something about hanging? I'm sure January 6th taught you a lot about how the law works, but hanging isn't the only punishment we have in our legal system.
He may be sentenced in 2029 for a "crime" that Clinton paid an FEC fine for, don't worry. Not sure what else you want because you continue to shroud your complaint in vagueness, federal supremacy is enshrined in law and you wouldn't expect a local prosecution to upend the results of a presidential election. The law is working as fast as it can.
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On November 25 2024 23:17 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2024 23:05 NewSunshine wrote:On November 25 2024 22:55 oBlade wrote:On November 25 2024 22:52 NewSunshine wrote:On November 25 2024 22:48 oBlade wrote:On November 25 2024 22:45 NewSunshine wrote:On November 25 2024 17:05 oBlade wrote:On November 25 2024 14:52 NewSunshine wrote:On November 25 2024 13:53 oBlade wrote:
What is these leaders' issue with the rule of law? I dunno, that's a good question. I seem to recall a former president that was charged and convicted of several different crimes, yet he's been held to no actual account whatsoever. There's a serious problem in this country where the power structure very much turns a blind eye to the rule of law when it feels like it. That's future president, despite your best efforts. I'm aware. Do you know that only makes my point further? Define "actual account" so I'm not just left here assuming it means you want to hang Blumpf because I know you're more rational than that. Any responsibility whatsoever? Sentencing for his felony convictions? Following through on his remaining trials and actually subjecting himself to the rule of law? I didn't say anything about hanging, you're being thick. Follow what I'm saying, I know words are hard, but you can do it. Did I say you said something about hanging? I'm sure January 6th taught you a lot about how the law works, but hanging isn't the only punishment we have in our legal system. He may be sentenced in 2029 for a "crime" that Clinton paid an FEC fine for, don't worry. Not sure what else you want because you continue to shroud your complaint in vagueness, federal supremacy is enshrined in law and you wouldn't expect a local prosecution to upend the results of a presidential election. The law is working as fast as it can.
Why is "crime" in quotation marks? Trump was found guilty of 34 felonies. Do you think that some of those felonies are not crimes? Which ones?
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oBlade has been straight up overtly trolling for at least a few dozen pages, this is nothing new for him. Just another chapter in his trolling journey. I don't know why people keep falling for it.
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