EPTOn November 26 2021 05:23 Doodsmack2 wrote:
What US Politics topics do you want to discuss? Or did you come back just to mock others?
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43797 Posts
What US Politics topics do you want to discuss? Or did you come back just to mock others? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22724 Posts
On November 25 2021 18:31 EnDeR_ wrote: They would have gotten away with it if one of them hadn't filmed it. Why did he do that anyway? Is there any info on why they wanted to catch their murder on camera? They seemingly would have gotten away with filming it too had they just showed the police, District Attorneys, friends and family. Wasn't until one of the murderers intentionally released the video out to the wider public months later (along with persistent public pressure from Arbery's family, various organizations, and individuals) that they even got arrested. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5445 Posts
On November 26 2021 07:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: What US Politics topics do you want to discuss? Or did you come back just to mock others? He's just mad that nobody is taking seriously the lunacy that the Republicans are peddling. ;-) | ||
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NewSunshine
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9346 Posts
Embrace the nuking of the weather. | ||
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Doodsmack2
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On November 26 2021 07:43 Jockmcplop wrote: Bathe in Borax. Take horse de-wormer. Announce your undying will to keep fighting a losing battle next to a garden hose when you meant to be at an expensive hotel. Vote Trump. On November 26 2021 07:48 Doodsmack2 wrote: I have to admit, you're a good parody of something. If it's a parody of yourself, I'm a little worried, but this is still quality entertainment. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9346 Posts
On November 26 2021 07:48 Doodsmack2 wrote: uh huh  There's no way Trump would say something so stupid and mean it... | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21368 Posts
On November 26 2021 07:48 Doodsmack2 wrote: Clearly. Just as he was making a bad joke about the election being stolen and how he was the rightful President.And then a mob stormed Capitol Hill with the intent to overturn the election. | ||
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Doodsmack2
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On November 26 2021 08:05 Doodsmack2 wrote: If you think I'm taking this half as seriously as this canned response of yours is insinuating, you need to step it back a bit. I'm only finding this entertaining at this point. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3187 Posts
Is it possible, Doodsmack, that if the legal system is as corrupted as Durham cultists claim, a single Special Counsel’s investigation won’t be sufficient to fix it? Indeed, maybe the most egregious problems with our legal system don’t concern Trump or Putin or Mueller or Durham at all? | ||
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Introvert
United States4659 Posts
The reason no one here is talking about Russiagate is because admitting that one was taken in by the hysteria would be embarrassing. It's sad that only Doodsmack actually acknowledged he had been lied to and decided he was no longer going to just believe something just because the Washington Post reported it. As for conservatives who still post here, there is at least one  although I don't do as much sustained back and forth as a I used to.+ Show Spoiler + Edit:I didn't realize Danglars was banned until months after it happened but since it's come up I just will go ahead and belatedly register my objection | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21368 Posts
On November 26 2021 08:43 Introvert wrote: No one here talks about Russiagate because its a done deal. We know Russia tried to interfere in the election and we know Trumps and his campaign staff were receptive.Durham is probably going to let the worst actors off and seems to be pushing the idea that the FBI was duped, when it's obvious they willingly accepted garbage because of their preconceived notions. But perhaps proving anything else is outside of Durham's purview. The reason no one here is talking about Russiagate is because admitting that one was taken in by the hysteria would be embarrassing. It's sad that only Doodsmack actually acknowledged he had been lied to and decided he was no longer going to just believe something just because the Washington Post reported it. As for conservatives who still post here, there is at least one although I don't do as much sustained back and forth as a I used to.+ Show Spoiler + Edit:I didn't realize Danglars was banned until months after it happened but since it's come up I just will go ahead and belatedly register my objection | ||
KwarK
United States41991 Posts
On November 26 2021 08:48 Gorsameth wrote: No one here talks about Russiagate because its a done deal. We know Russia tried to interfere in the election and we know Trumps and his campaign staff were receptive. On the one hand we have the Mueller report confirming that Trump Jr. met with Russian agents to discuss sanction relief in exchange for receiving Russian help in the US election but on the other hand we also have Trump's former lawyer confirming that he was literally in the room when Jr. immediately brought the offer to Trump Sr. (who was in the same building during the meeting but claims he had no knowledge of the deal). It's also made rather more credible by the fact that he is on record attempting to strike a similar deal with Ukraine. The whole Trump Russia thing is settled but it was settled in the opposite direction to the one that Trump supporters claim. The only part that confuses me is that conservatives still care about this shit. Trump is a serial con artist that used the Republican party for his own ends. They should be first in line saying "fuck Trump" at this point. There's no longer any upside to defending him, he doesn't lead the Republicans anymore and there was that one time he attempted to overthrow democracy. They don't need to make up nonsense about how there was nothing to any of the previous condemnations anymore, the need for doublethink is over. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5445 Posts
On November 26 2021 09:14 KwarK wrote: They don't need to make up nonsense about how there was nothing to any of the previous condemnations anymore, the need for doublethink is over. Oh, there is a need for that because, to paraphrase Introvert, admitting that one was duped would be embarrassing. ;-) | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23854 Posts
On November 26 2021 08:43 Introvert wrote: Durham is probably going to let the worst actors off and seems to be pushing the idea that the FBI was duped, when it's obvious they willingly accepted garbage because of their preconceived notions. But perhaps proving anything else is outside of Durham's purview. The reason no one here is talking about Russiagate is because admitting that one was taken in by the hysteria would be embarrassing. It's sad that only Doodsmack actually acknowledged he had been lied to and decided he was no longer going to just believe something just because the Washington Post reported it. As for conservatives who still post here, there is at least one although I don't do as much sustained back and forth as a I used to.+ Show Spoiler + Edit:I didn't realize Danglars was banned until months after it happened but since it's come up I just will go ahead and belatedly register my objection What hysteria? Within this particular thread anyway. Trump is a brazenly corrupt, megalomaniac asshole. I certainly haven’t made that judgement based on the reportage of the Washington Post, but yes I imagine others have. In isolation, yes I think it’s absolutely important to establish the integrity of both intelligence services and media, and if they have transgressed boundaries that is important to have noted and debated in the wider sphere. I’ll happily listen to that, and condemn impropriety where it is found. My particular issue is that politically it’s crowbarred in as some vindication of Trump, and the two become inseparable. When untethered then yes, it’s a worthy avenue of discussion. When it’s framed in a ‘they did something wrong ergo Trump is beyond reproach’ manner it’s silly, and people react accordingly. My own personal opinion is that institutions did exceed proper boundaries in their attempts to bring down the Donald, be it media falling far below expected professional standards of reporting, or other institutions behaving in non-exemplary ways. That can absolutely co-exist with a judicious appraisal of Trump as being utterly unfit for office on all sorts of metrics, a position one can come to without being ‘brainwashed by the MSM’ or being one of the ‘sheeple’ | ||
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Introvert
United States4659 Posts
Thr reason it matters is not because Trump is some great guy but because the whole issue, and the dossier is particular was used to hamstring a duly elected president right off the start, keep competent individuals out of the administration, burden the president's advisors with ridiculous legal issues based on bunk, and generally hinder the functioning of the executive branch. It also contributed to the "divisiveness" Democrats spend so much time complaining about. Moreover it was used as an excuse for the American media to jettison the last bit of journalistic standards it had in reporting. We could relitigate every story that turned out to be BS, from visits to Prague, compromising material that didn't exist, reports of collusion (not just sharing polling data, the Clinton campaign were the only people stupid enough to think they didn't have to worry about the Rust Belt). I'm out enjoying Thanksgiving at the moment but really one could survey this thread from thr time period in question and see the claims people who justify the affair have to say now vs what they thought was happening then. Make it easier on yourself and start with the dossier Ultimately the overriding fact is that no quid pro quo actually took place despite thr willingness of the campaign (again, sharing polling data is not it, don't embarrass yourself) | ||
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KwarK
United States41991 Posts
It was entirely correct that there be an investigation into it. His campaign were meeting with Russian agents, his son was meeting and striking deals with Russian agents, Russia hacked his rival’s email server and Trump openly solicited Russia for those emails, Russia was pushing pro-Trump material on social media, Russian Twitter farms were promoting pro-Trump fake news. It is objectively true that a hostile foreign power intervened in the 2016 election to further its own goals. It is objectively true that at times their preferred candidate solicited that intervention. There was no getting around an investigation, it was needed for the integrity of the administration. They should have invited it to clear their names but instead they worked actively to suppress it with abuse of executive powers and by firing anyone who would not make a pledge of personal loyalty to Trump. The problem was that the media didn’t cover enough of the Trump scandals, there were too few investigations. He broke the law too frequently for those who were supposed to police him to keep up. He openly violated the emoluments clause (does anyone remember “my daughter is handling the day to day management of the company, that’s what a blind trust is” (it’s very much not what it is)), he and his family nakedly sold access to him, foreign governments and corporations made direct payments to him for favours, foreign governments did favours for his family, and he paid a fortune in government money to his own businesses (secret service renting Trump tower, holding court in his golf courses etc.). The self dealing and enrichment should have been a multi year investigation followed by impeachment but he broke the law too frequently for investigations to keep up. By that point we were already on to how he defrauded multiple charities and used his foundation as a slush fund. Then Stormy Daniels and the illegal campaign contributions used to buy her silence. Then it was the naked illegality of Ukraine. Then using Federal resources to punish states he viewed as hostile during the COVID emergency. Then his attempted coup. Probably at least a dozen more that I don’t recall now. Trump essentially got a free pass on most of his crimes because the official policy of the Trump DoJ was that the executive couldn’t be indicted, only impeached, and the media and congress couldn’t keep pace with his criminality. He broke too many laws too quickly. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23854 Posts
On November 26 2021 10:17 Introvert wrote: Re: general russiagate issues. Thr reason it matters is not because Trump is some great guy but because the whole issue, and the dossier is particular was used to hamstring a duly elected president right off the start, keep competent individuals out of the administration, burden the president's advisors with ridiculous legal issues based on bunk, and generally hinder the functioning of the executive branch. It also contributed to the "divisiveness" Democrats spend so much time complaining about. Moreover it was used as an excuse for the American media to jettison the last bit of journalistic standards it had in reporting. We could relitigate every story that turned out to be BS, from visits to Prague, compromising material that didn't exist, reports of collusion (not just sharing polling data, the Clinton campaign were the only people stupid enough to think they didn't have to worry about the Rust Belt). I'm out enjoying Thanksgiving at the moment but really one could survey this thread from thr time period in question and see the claims people who justify the affair have to say now vs what they thought was happening then. Make it easier on yourself and start with the dossier Ultimately the overriding fact is that no quid pro quo actually took place despite thr willingness of the campaign (again, sharing polling data is not it, don't embarrass yourself) I don’t honestly care that much, haven’t looked into it but will accept this on face value. I think your framing is absurdly myopic, especially as per ‘the media’, when a pretty influential segment of said media relentlessly pushed the story that Trump had the election stolen from him, completely baselessly. I haven’t deep dived on Russiagate at all because, as I say I don’t really care that much, my opinion of Trump is formed by his actions, so I can’t honestly speak much on that topic, other than if institutions have abrogated their duties then they should be duly held to account. | ||
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