EPTBut there were what 3 Secretaries of State, 3 attorney generals by the end as well.
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Husyelt
United States839 Posts
But there were what 3 Secretaries of State, 3 attorney generals by the end as well. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28923 Posts
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Husyelt
United States839 Posts
On November 28 2021 04:06 Liquid`Drone wrote: Betsy Devos lasted the entire term. I don't have the impression people involved in education think she was a good choice though. Ah yeah forgot about her. Honestly don’t remember anything of import beyond that disastrous interview. | ||
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farvacola
United States18876 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Let’s see how effectively Women’s Rights will be protected by our political system! https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/supreme-court-roe-v-wade-abortion-case-12-01-21/h_49a26901a8e8f344dd6ef9643da293b6 | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On December 02 2021 14:41 NewSunshine wrote: Don't see this ending well. Every anti-choice Republican has been wetting themselves just thinking of the day this would happen. This is why Trump's SCOTUS picks got rammed into their seats before they could get cold. What will follow shouldn't be surprising to anyone. Women, and indeed anyone with a uterus, are about to be categorically fucked over by a group of Catholic white men. This is the first of the tide we’re going to see imo. Republicans are going to make winning elections for Democrats absurdly hard and continue to claw at everything, the Democrats meanwhile will talk big and then settle back into their chairs, comfortable fundraising off of underdog status and telling people to earn them an ultra super majority or they can’t do anything. US is going down hill and our political system isn’t going to do shit to stop it. Fascism, women’s rights, living wages, Democrats can’t bother to deal with any of it while Republicans lean back and start slicing away. EDIT: Amy Coney Barrett thinks abortion is unnecessary since people can just give their kids up for adoption, lol. Roe v Wade is fuuuucked. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/sotomayor-asks-how-anti-abortion-argument-is-anything-but-a-religious-view/2021/12/01/d9eb9ec5-43ae-4f22-8bef-f38f6e2e5a2a_video.html | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
On December 02 2021 17:03 Starlightsun wrote: It's curious that the side that is 100% religiously motivated seems so eager to disguise that fact, and keeps hammering on about how states should decide. It reminds me a lot of "it's not actually about slavery but state's rights". There are good faith arguments that the constitution does not grant any right to abortion and therefore Roe was wrongly decided. Abortion is simply not part of the constitution's meaning. The system was designed so that issues like abortion would be left to state legislatures. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46692 Posts
On December 02 2021 17:03 Starlightsun wrote: It's curious that the side that is 100% religiously motivated seems so eager to disguise that fact, and keeps hammering on about how states should decide. It reminds me a lot of "it's not actually about slavery but state's rights". I think it's a smart move by them, to avoid admitting "religion" as their motivation, as explicitly promoting Christian/theocratic behavior might be harder to do when we're supposed to have secular freedom of/from religion in the United States. | ||
KwarK
United States44442 Posts
On December 03 2021 00:21 Doc.Rivers wrote: There are good faith arguments that the constitution does not grant any right to abortion and therefore Roe was wrongly decided. Abortion is simply not part of the constitution's meaning. The system was designed so that issues like abortion would be left to state legislatures. Pretty sure there's a thing about government not being able to make everyone go along with their religious beliefs. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46692 Posts
On December 03 2021 00:21 Doc.Rivers wrote: There are good faith arguments that the constitution does not grant any right to abortion and therefore Roe was wrongly decided. Abortion is simply not part of the constitution's meaning. The system was designed so that issues like abortion would be left to state legislatures. The idea that humans ought to have no rights/freedoms other than the ones explicitly laid out in the Constitution is pretty ridiculous though. | ||
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farvacola
United States18876 Posts
On December 03 2021 00:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: The idea that humans ought to have no rights/freedoms other than the ones explicitly laid out in the Constitution is pretty ridiculous though. What you'll never hear originalists or other Constitution-obsessed conservatives mention is that the founding fathers knew that express provisions of rights could be construed to prohibit the implied provision of other rights, which is why the Ninth Amendment expressly states: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." Our federal judicial system has historically ignored the Ninth Amendment entirely though, and that's not a coincidence or the result of happenstance. | ||
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Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
On December 03 2021 00:34 KwarK wrote: Pretty sure there's a thing about government not being able to make everyone go along with their religious beliefs. Well if Roe were to be overturned, that act would not be one that makes everyone go along with Christian beliefs. It would simply be an act that acknowledges that the constitution does not encompass abortion. It's about the law, not religion. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On December 03 2021 00:21 Doc.Rivers wrote: There are good faith arguments that the constitution does not grant any right to abortion and therefore Roe was wrongly decided. Abortion is simply not part of the constitution's meaning. The system was designed so that issues like abortion would be left to state legislatures. What year was the system designed? What did the world look like at that period in time? Let’s pretend we just never improved anything from that point in time. That would be silly. We have no reasons to confine society to the pile of shit that we had for knowledge back then. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
On December 03 2021 01:18 JimmiC wrote: Because they don't actually care about making it go away, they just want to be able to punish people who do find ways to get them.The thing that I dont understand is why does it not fet talked about more that outlawing abortion does not make it go away, it just makes it far less safe. its about controlling women, not saving poor helpless foetuses. | ||
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