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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-28 03:21:20
July 28 2014 03:07 GMT
#881
On July 28 2014 11:58 Thor.Rush wrote:
Why does no one care about the 1,700 people killed in Syria last week, or what's happening in Iraq? Oh right, because it's Muslims killing Muslims. But when it's Jews killing Muslims, we see total outrage, especially in European media and the Muslim world.

Regular people who have no idea what's going on in the world see these "Israel killing scores of Palestinians" headlines all over the place, convincing them that Israelis are Nazis, and then proceeding to post their first ever political post on facebook, not realizing that more people are being killed elsewhere.


That is why way earlier in this thread I accused some of these pro-Palestinian Europeans of being closet Anti-Semites. Here in Germany they can't stand a Muslim wearing a headscarf, but when its about jihadist militants in the middle-east they suddenly start showing their compassionate side. If they'd spend 1/10 of that empathy for the Muslims living here we'd have way less cultural problems. But Muslims here aren't killed by evil murderous Jews so that's obviously not going to happen.

These Anti-Israel demos over here paint a funny picture. At times you could see right-wingers and Muslims waving Palestinian flags together. Guess they've found the single thing they hate more than each other.

In Paris, a few days ago:
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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
July 28 2014 03:13 GMT
#882
On July 28 2014 12:07 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 11:58 Thor.Rush wrote:
Why does no one care about the 1,700 people killed in Syria last week, or what's happening in Iraq? Oh right, because it's Muslims killing Muslims. But when it's Jews killing Muslims, we see total outrage, especially in European media and the Muslim world.

Regular people who have no idea what's going on in the world see these "Israel killing scores of Palestinians" headlines all over the place, convincing them that Israelis are Nazis, and then proceeding to post their first ever political post on facebook, not realizing that more people are being killed elsewhere.


That is why way earlier in this thread I accused some of these pro-Palestinian Europeans of being closet Anti-Semites. Here in Germany they can't stand a Muslim wearing a headscarf, but when its about jihadist militants in the middle-east they suddenly start showing their compassionate side. If they'd spend 1/10 of that empathy for the Muslims living here we'd have way less cultural problems. But Muslims here aren't killed by evil murderous Jews so that's obviously not going to happen.

I have to agree, it is pretty disgusting how the deaths of Muslims at hands of Israelis are this world disaster that massive protests have to be held for. Death of Muslims at the hands of Muslims? Maybe 5-10 Syrian exiles show up or whatever. Europeans and leftists really have a fixation with Israel that is beyond reasonable -- the only thing that I think mildly justfyes their behavior is that Israel as a democracy is much more likely to reply to criticism than a despotate. But even this is fucking weak, too many Communists are still fixated on fighting 'anti-colonialism'
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 28 2014 03:15 GMT
#883
I find it really cute when people claim that Israel has not done anything wrong and it's all the Arabs' fault.
Nesserev
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium2760 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-28 04:32:40
July 28 2014 04:31 GMT
#884
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PrideNeverDie
Profile Joined November 2010
United States319 Posts
July 28 2014 04:34 GMT
#885
http://online.wsj.com/articles/israel-extends-cease-fire-in-gaza-strip-1406444464?mod=europe_home

A humanitarian truce that had given residents of the Gaza Strip a respite from nearly three weeks of fighting crumbled on Sunday after militants there fired a barrage of rockets into Israel and Israeli forces responded with limited airstrikes and artillery fire.

looks like Gaza wants the fighting to keep going

not quite the helpless victims TL is portraying them to be
If you want it bad enough you will find a way; If you don't, you will find an excuse
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24507 Posts
July 28 2014 04:47 GMT
#886
On July 28 2014 13:34 PrideNeverDie wrote:
http://online.wsj.com/articles/israel-extends-cease-fire-in-gaza-strip-1406444464?mod=europe_home

A humanitarian truce that had given residents of the Gaza Strip a respite from nearly three weeks of fighting crumbled on Sunday after militants there fired a barrage of rockets into Israel and Israeli forces responded with limited airstrikes and artillery fire.

looks like Gaza wants the fighting to keep going

not quite the helpless victims TL is portraying them to be



What kind of limits are we talking about?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Nesserev
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium2760 Posts
July 28 2014 04:49 GMT
#887
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PrideNeverDie
Profile Joined November 2010
United States319 Posts
July 28 2014 04:51 GMT
#888
On July 28 2014 13:49 Nesserev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 13:34 PrideNeverDie wrote:
http://online.wsj.com/articles/israel-extends-cease-fire-in-gaza-strip-1406444464?mod=europe_home

A humanitarian truce that had given residents of the Gaza Strip a respite from nearly three weeks of fighting crumbled on Sunday after militants there fired a barrage of rockets into Israel and Israeli forces responded with limited airstrikes and artillery fire.

looks like Gaza wants the fighting to keep going

not quite the helpless victims TL is portraying them to be

Actually, if you had actually read the article and not just the two first lines, you would've known better... they want a permanent truce, and they also want freedom. They're getting neither right now..,


do you think firing rockets into Israel is going to achieve those goals?
If you want it bad enough you will find a way; If you don't, you will find an excuse
Nesserev
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium2760 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-28 05:16:17
July 28 2014 04:55 GMT
#889
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PrideNeverDie
Profile Joined November 2010
United States319 Posts
July 28 2014 04:56 GMT
#890
On July 28 2014 13:55 Nesserev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 13:51 PrideNeverDie wrote:
do you think firing rockets into Israel is going to achieve those goals?

I don't... but apparently Hamas thinks that's the way to go...


then let them face the consequences of their actions
If you want it bad enough you will find a way; If you don't, you will find an excuse
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-28 05:34:06
July 28 2014 05:19 GMT
#891
On July 28 2014 13:56 PrideNeverDie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 13:55 Nesserev wrote:
On July 28 2014 13:51 PrideNeverDie wrote:
do you think firing rockets into Israel is going to achieve those goals?

I don't... but apparently Hamas thinks that's the way to go...


then let them face the consequences of their actions

Yep let's go bomb some more civilians far more effectively and blame hamas for making us do it.

The people crying anti-semitism need to realise that, for the most part, it's anti-israeli sentiment and not anti jew. I dont expect syria and other rogue states to value civilian life but I do expect a developed western nation backed up by the US to behave somewhat ethically. If your defence is 'but Syria killed more innocents. Go protest that!' you probably need to rethink who you're defending.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
July 28 2014 05:30 GMT
#892
On July 28 2014 13:51 PrideNeverDie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 13:49 Nesserev wrote:
On July 28 2014 13:34 PrideNeverDie wrote:
http://online.wsj.com/articles/israel-extends-cease-fire-in-gaza-strip-1406444464?mod=europe_home

A humanitarian truce that had given residents of the Gaza Strip a respite from nearly three weeks of fighting crumbled on Sunday after militants there fired a barrage of rockets into Israel and Israeli forces responded with limited airstrikes and artillery fire.

looks like Gaza wants the fighting to keep going

not quite the helpless victims TL is portraying them to be

Actually, if you had actually read the article and not just the two first lines, you would've known better... they want a permanent truce, and they also want freedom. They're getting neither right now..,


do you think firing rockets into Israel is going to achieve those goals?


No, but it keeps international attention on the conflict. That is the main reason. As someone mentioned earlier, we have already forgotten about Syria and Iraq; Hamas wants to stay in the news cycle.
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
HeatEXTEND
Profile Joined October 2012
Netherlands836 Posts
July 28 2014 05:36 GMT
#893
On July 28 2014 13:56 PrideNeverDie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 13:55 Nesserev wrote:
On July 28 2014 13:51 PrideNeverDie wrote:
do you think firing rockets into Israel is going to achieve those goals?

I don't... but apparently Hamas thinks that's the way to go...


then let them face the consequences of their actions



One could easily argue those rockets are themselves consequences of actions ?
knuckle
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4927 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-28 06:04:07
July 28 2014 05:55 GMT
#894
On July 28 2014 12:07 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 11:58 Thor.Rush wrote:
Why does no one care about the 1,700 people killed in Syria last week, or what's happening in Iraq? Oh right, because it's Muslims killing Muslims. But when it's Jews killing Muslims, we see total outrage, especially in European media and the Muslim world.

Regular people who have no idea what's going on in the world see these "Israel killing scores of Palestinians" headlines all over the place, convincing them that Israelis are Nazis, and then proceeding to post their first ever political post on facebook, not realizing that more people are being killed elsewhere.


That is why way earlier in this thread I accused some of these pro-Palestinian Europeans of being closet Anti-Semites. Here in Germany they can't stand a Muslim wearing a headscarf, but when its about jihadist militants in the middle-east they suddenly start showing their compassionate side. If they'd spend 1/10 of that empathy for the Muslims living here we'd have way less cultural problems. But Muslims here aren't killed by evil murderous Jews so that's obviously not going to happen.

These Anti-Israel demos over here paint a funny picture. At times you could see right-wingers and Muslims waving Palestinian flags together. Guess they've found the single thing they hate more than each other.

In Paris, a few days ago:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

True, anti-semites use the perpetual crisis for their purposes.

But when it comes to technology, economy, type of government and even culture, Israel is mostly part of the western world. And the Arabs rightfully view the West as Israel's ally.

Combined with the fact that Israel is clearly the much stronger side in this conflict, there are plenty of reasons why Israel comes under special scrutiny.
Jusba
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland189 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-28 06:02:38
July 28 2014 06:01 GMT
#895
I'm not surprised at all that Hamas is firing rockets into Israel. When you repress people long enough then some of those people might actually fight back. I can't even imagine how angry I would be as a Palestinian :/. I think its naive to think there will be truce between Hamas and Israel. When you steal someones lands and repress the people on top of that you will have disorder. Its just another unsolvable situation thats going on around the world. The world is full of unsolvable shit and I'm really starting to think only a huge natural disaster can "fix" things so we could start fucking up all over again.

http://www.youtube.com/user/vicenews Heres a pretty neutral news channel that has some coverage of the situation.

Few interesting ones:



The people that completely agree that Israel is allowed to attack Gaza make me fucking sick. Have you got any ability to question your own thoughts? If you people really think war is gonna solve this problem then you are a fucking idiots! This war will only escalate things.
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-28 06:19:03
July 28 2014 06:18 GMT
#896
Sam Harris take on the argument:

http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/why-dont-i-criticize-israel

I really liked some parts, for example:

Now imagine reversing the roles here. Imagine how fatuous—indeed comical it would be—for the Israelis to attempt to use human shields to deter the Palestinians. Some claim that they have already done this. There are reports that Israeli soldiers have occasionally put Palestinian civilians in front of them as they’ve advanced into dangerous areas. That’s not the use of human shields we’re talking about. It’s egregious behavior. No doubt it constitutes a war crime. But Imagine the Israelis holding up their own women and children as human shields. Of course, that would be ridiculous. The Palestinians are trying to kill everyone. Killing women and children is part of the plan. Reversing the roles here produces a grotesque Monty Python skit.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-28 06:57:38
July 28 2014 06:56 GMT
#897
Thank you Sam Harris for putting a voice of reason to the argument that I painstakingly attempted like an idiot

also that Thor.Rush post is something that I was trying to bring up
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
July 28 2014 06:59 GMT
#898
a bit off topic but

Palestine won 1-0 in a recent final against the Philippines (football) and I ain't even mad. Palestine really needed a win for that country with all the shit they're going through.
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
July 28 2014 07:06 GMT
#899
Reversing the roles is ridiculous. The palestinians are so desperate and downtrodden that extremists are bound to surface. Its difficult to imagine israel put in a similar situation. Though considering how extreme some of their politicians already are I dont doubt they'd be just as ruthless with their backs to the wall fighting for their people.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
July 28 2014 07:19 GMT
#900
On July 28 2014 12:13 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 12:07 Nyxisto wrote:
On July 28 2014 11:58 Thor.Rush wrote:
Why does no one care about the 1,700 people killed in Syria last week, or what's happening in Iraq? Oh right, because it's Muslims killing Muslims. But when it's Jews killing Muslims, we see total outrage, especially in European media and the Muslim world.

Regular people who have no idea what's going on in the world see these "Israel killing scores of Palestinians" headlines all over the place, convincing them that Israelis are Nazis, and then proceeding to post their first ever political post on facebook, not realizing that more people are being killed elsewhere.


That is why way earlier in this thread I accused some of these pro-Palestinian Europeans of being closet Anti-Semites. Here in Germany they can't stand a Muslim wearing a headscarf, but when its about jihadist militants in the middle-east they suddenly start showing their compassionate side. If they'd spend 1/10 of that empathy for the Muslims living here we'd have way less cultural problems. But Muslims here aren't killed by evil murderous Jews so that's obviously not going to happen.

I have to agree, it is pretty disgusting how the deaths of Muslims at hands of Israelis are this world disaster that massive protests have to be held for. Death of Muslims at the hands of Muslims? Maybe 5-10 Syrian exiles show up or whatever. Europeans and leftists really have a fixation with Israel that is beyond reasonable -- the only thing that I think mildly justfyes their behavior is that Israel as a democracy is much more likely to reply to criticism than a despotate. But even this is fucking weak, too many Communists are still fixated on fighting 'anti-colonialism'

that's just bullshit and you know it.
first off, in Iraq and Syria you have a declared war; it's between two sides of relative strength. people killed there are casualties of war. in Palestine you have boxed in arabs not wanting to throw themselves into the sea yet.
secondly, Assad was hit with sanctions from day 1, Israel is fine and dandy.
also, people should stop saying Israel is a democracy because it's not.
Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens participate equally "....". It encompasses social, religious, cultural, ethnic and racial equality, justice, and liberty
it's a totalitarian Judaic state.
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