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solidbebe
Netherlands4921 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11839 Posts
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Longshank
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On March 22 2019 04:57 Oukka wrote: I have a hunch that EU is hoping for the deal to be accepted now. Second best option for them is to incite a change in the UK either through the second vote becoming a policy or general election. They're not ready to drop UK out without a deal yet, but eventually that has to end, prolonging the inevitable if nothing changes in London does not help anyone. In the meanwhile both businesses and unions were writing to May urging her to change the approach to Brexit . The reports I've read/seen says that the EU, after May's speach and the reaction among MPs, accepts that the deal won't go through next week. Pressure was put on May to lay out her plan in case of defeat but she refused to give any answers. The UK will have to decide by April 11 if they're going to hold european election which would mean a longer extension. Basically they can't mess around until May 7, there need to be a decission by April 11. That's the theory anyway. It sounds like they're sidestepping May and gives parliament one last chance to sort it out. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22372 Posts
On March 22 2019 05:59 Longshank wrote: The original draft of an extension until May 22nd if Parliament passes the deal next week accomplished that well enough imo without stretching on this pointless time waste any longer then necessary.The reports I've read/seen says that the EU, after May's speach and the reaction among MPs, accepts that the deal won't go through next week. Pressure was put on May to lay out her plan in case of defeat but she refused to give any answers. The UK will have to decide by April 11 if they're going to hold european election which would mean a longer extension. Basically they can't mess around until May 7, there need to be a decission by April 11. That's the theory anyway. It sounds like they're sidestepping May and gives parliament one last chance to sort it out. An unconditional extension just means this exact same situation will play out a week before the next deadline. And heaven forbid it all gets moved to the end of the year.... | ||
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10884 Posts
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Oukka
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Velr
Switzerland10884 Posts
Freedom of movement and all the stuff the Brexit really want is non negotiable for the EU. The Backstop is allready the idea with the most "british" outcome. W T F do you want to renegotiate? | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
There is no time to try with different terms to see what can be acceptable and pass through parliament. Theresa May has made certain of that. Even if she resigns is a quick conservative leadership contest occurs, it's either immediately revoke Article 50, which is unlikely unless a conservative remainer wins the internal leadership contest, or hard brexit. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
The EU is right to deny more time at this moment so hopefully now the UK MPs understand what is going on here and that the fairytale deals they want do not exist. Well they do if you offer the EU money etc which then defeats the point of leaving in the first place. Another referendum has been shut down, extending the deadline has been shutdown by the EU. Its time to put up or shut up MPs! | ||
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pmh
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Maybe May is kinda stuck in her position,beeing in this position for so long now. A change could help (not saying it would and personally I do like may) Then they can try to leave on different terms,a milder sort of brexit like Norway option. (what oukka also said basicly and I agree with his vieuwpoint) If the deal doesn't get through next week then what other options does May have besides resigning? A hard brexit is off the table and Mays resignation seems the only way to go forward if the deal fails again. | ||
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Velr
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Longshank
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pmh
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On March 22 2019 06:50 Velr wrote: How is May resigning directly linked to an extension for 2 years? Well if May resigns and there has to be new elections while a hard brexit has already been voted out by parliament then the only option is a long delay? (or revoke but that seems unlikely for now). 1 week or 2 weeks,maybe even 4 till april I don't think it matters all that much anymore. This is where its at,maybe parliament will bent under pressure and vote to accept the deal but I doubt that. Anyway:all this will continue for a long time to come and I doubt we will have any clarity in 1 month,other then maybe a long delay. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
May resigning would not change that, unless it convinced the EU to extend. Which I doubt, because all the other dumb factions would still be there. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22372 Posts
On March 22 2019 06:51 pmh wrote: Parliament did not 'vote out' no deal.Well if May resigns and there has to be new elections while a hard brexit has already been voted out by parliament then the only option is a long delay? (or revoke but that seems unlikely for now). 1 week or 2 weeks,maybe even 4 till april I don't think it matters all that much anymore. This is where its at,maybe parliament will bent under pressure and vote to accept the deal but I doubt that. Anyway:all this will continue for a long time to come and I doubt we will have any clarity in 1 month,other then maybe a long delay. No deal is the default, it happens if parliament does nothing. They have to do something to not have it happen, and voting "we don't want no-deal" is not worth anything on its own. | ||
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Longshank
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According to the Press Association, EU leaders are set to offer the UK a plan that would delay Brexit from 29 March to 22 May on condition that MPs approve Theresa May’s withdrawal deal. If the deal is rejected in its third “meaningful vote” in the Commons, the UK would be given until 12 April to come to the European Council with its proposals for the way forward. If the UK agreed to take part in European Parliament elections in May, the possibility would be open for a further extension of several months. Tusk has not officially confirmed what the bloc’s offer will be but is meeting May right now to communicate it to her. It's worth noting that May never asked for or even mentioned a longer delay in her letter. If accurate, this is the EU27 speaking directly to the parliament. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22372 Posts
Why give them an extension with nothing to show for it, sigh. So deal rejected next week then shitshow until mid april where the UK once again comes begging for more time to do nothing in. "maybe they will understand its serious now" it was serious the last time and the time before that.... | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 22 2019 07:49 Gorsameth wrote: *head hitting desk* Why give them an extension with nothing to show for it, sigh. So deal rejected next week then shitshow until mid april where the UK once again comes begging for more time to do nothing in. "maybe they will understand its serious now" it was serious the last time and the time before that.... The longer it is delayed, the higher chance of cancelling Brexit. Time is on the side of people wanting it cancelled. Delay indefinitely until the whole thing just fizzles. | ||
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