EPTLance Armstrong to lose Titles, Banned - Page 5
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46221 Posts
On August 24 2012 12:56 thebigdonkey wrote: The fact that is ignored in any doping story: Regardless of whether Lance doped or not (I think chances are, he did), most of his peers did the same thing. How are "chances are that he did [dope]", when he passed countless drug tests that test precisely for these things while he was competing... and now that he's retired and moving on to other things, he just wants to stop being harassed and forced to take the same stupid tests over and over again? Why the heck would the results change now? Is he really going to start doping when he's not preparing for a race? He's never failed a drug test, and every accusation has been shown to be false. Is he really required to take drug tests until the day he dies, or else he can have his wins removed? Does this go for every athlete? I think that's kind of bullshit. Also, just because some other competitors may be doing illegal activities to gain an unfair advantage does not justify any particular competitor in doing the same. There should still be a level of honesty, fairness, and regulation involved in sports. | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
On August 24 2012 13:07 lowreezy08 wrote: There is no conclusive evidence he cheated, he could be telling the 100% honest truth, you've never once met the guy, so why start assuming with little childish irrational statements? I understand your are disapointed. But its obvious like hell by now. Also, i hope you will understand when you grow up, that there are other ways to vent your disappointment than to offend other people. | ||
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chaos021
United States258 Posts
My problem has absolutely nothing to do with Lance Armstrong as much as the willful abuse of power by all the anti-doping agencies. You guys should really learn how they actually do their testing and present lists of banned substances to athletes and teams. The whole system is a giant joke. Fuck all those asshats and fuck all you morons who buy into their crap. All they did is wear down a man who is clearly sick of their crap. | ||
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lowreezy08
United States143 Posts
On August 24 2012 13:07 DOUDOU wrote: it's not ignored, multiple teammates of him have been proven guilty of doping and they (as well as some of his staff) have said multiple times armstrong was not clean either He said, She said, very conclusive evidence there bro. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46221 Posts
On August 24 2012 12:11 Colour wrote: Good. Cheating is lame. On August 24 2012 12:23 SeggsyLori wrote: Finally! The worst thing about Armstrong was that he always said he didn't cheated. I'm so glad he finally got what he deserves. On August 24 2012 12:26 natrus wrote: What a disgrace. He won nothing in my eyes. On August 24 2012 12:55 Benjamin99 wrote: Of course he was doping. I'm glad the USADA is making an example out of him On August 24 2012 13:05 Lucumo wrote: Well, the sport lost its credibility a long time ago. Also, nice to see Armstrong getting what he deserves. ...I don't understand. There are even articles in the OP... | ||
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thebigdonkey
United States354 Posts
On August 24 2012 13:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: How are "chances are that he did [dope]", when he passed countless drug tests that test precisely for these things while he was competing... and now that he's retired and moving on to other things, he just wants to stop being harassed and forced to take the same stupid tests over and over again? Why the heck would the results change now? Is he really going to start doping when he's not preparing for a race? He's never failed a drug test, and every accusation has been shown to be false. Is he really required to take drug tests until the day he dies, or else he can have his wins removed? Does this go for every athlete? I think that's kind of bullshit. Also, just because some other competitors may be doing illegal activities to gain an unfair advantage does not justify any particular competitor in doing the same. There should still be a level of honesty, fairness, and regulation involved in sports. I have no agenda, I honestly don't care if he did or if he didn't. I still think what he did was impressive. He was the very best at what he did for a long long time. Drugs or no drugs, that's very impressive. But when you look at the circumstantial evidence, it's more likely that he cheated than not. I'm not saying 100% certain, probably 65-70%. But like I said, you can't prove who is guilty and who isn't, so it's all pointless. | ||
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peekn
United States1152 Posts
On August 24 2012 12:51 lowreezy08 wrote: Doesn't matter, whole different subject, obviously the most famous are going to be more of a target, but that still doesn't give you the right to cheat. We can talk about how the popular athletes are scrutinized, but that's something totally different that needs to be justified, doesn't mean you can go around doping just because others do. Ok, if you don't, you don't win. Simple as that. And people don't like losing. | ||
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AceDSS
Canada33 Posts
He could have at least the balls][/quote] OGODMYSIDES but on another note i dont kno why steroids are such a big deal, its definitely not a free win button u have to work at least as hard as the other guy to win. i do not condone steroids but i don't see why we ban them when people just sneak it anyways. lance's achievements and donations still stand no matter how this lands | ||
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lowreezy08
United States143 Posts
On August 24 2012 13:09 skeldark wrote: I understand your are disapointed. But its obvious like hell by now. Also you will understand, that there are other ways to vent your disappointment than to offend other people, when you grow up. What are you saying? Like wtf, how am I disappointed, you don't even know my first name so what would make you think you know my current state of emotions, very hypocritical. I'm sorry if I offended anyone in this thread, just because I stated the obvious that you made a childish irrational comment does not mean that I am bashing you. I'm telling you to take the very limited evidence that has been gathered and make your own formal decision, don't just roll with the crowd because it's the easy thing to do... I'd like to think I'm a little bit more grown up than you, given that I can rationalize, as that seems to be a flaw within you, sorry for the offense (good grown up mature sir). | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On August 24 2012 13:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: ...I don't understand. There are even articles in the OP... And one of those articles said that they had evidence of blood doping and a bunch of other stuff. As someone with no knowledge of this guy before today it seems likely that he was cheating, not 100% but higher than the alternative. | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On August 24 2012 13:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: ...I don't understand. There are even articles in the OP... Yes and I read the articles and they say USADA got proof in form of witness testimonies and blood samples. He cheated he wont even fight any more to defend his innocence. Which innocent person do that? Hall of shame | ||
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lowreezy08
United States143 Posts
On August 24 2012 13:16 peekn wrote: Ok, if you don't, you don't win. Simple as that. And people don't like losing. That's hypothetical, many athletes have won with natural talent and pure hard work, just making the statement "IF YOU DON'T DOPE YOU LOSE" is very illogical. Please be reasonable and understand that just because you take a drug does not make you automatically a winner, it only gives an unfair advantage. | ||
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GARO
United States2255 Posts
Yeah, the guy who vehemently fought the doping accusations during his entire career decides to give up suddenly only because it affects his personal life now? Give me a fucking break. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46221 Posts
On August 24 2012 13:14 thebigdonkey wrote: I have no agenda, I honestly don't care if he did or if he didn't. I still think what he did was impressive. He was the very best at what he did for a long long time. Drugs or no drugs, that's very impressive. But when you look at the circumstantial evidence, it's more likely that he cheated than not. I'm not saying 100% certain, probably 65-70%. But like I said, you can't prove who is guilty and who isn't, so it's all pointless. Of course you can prove who is guilty and who isn't guilty. That's why they have drug tests o.O Those are much more effective than other people saying "Yeah he did it". Anyone can say anything they want. Drug tests don't have an agenda. And the countless drug tests he passed aren't "circumstantial", and they certainly don't show that he's more dirty than clean. But I totally would care if he did it with or without illegal supplements/ help; I think winning illegally would take away from his accomplishments. | ||
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Colour
Canada68 Posts
On August 24 2012 13:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: ...I don't understand. There are even articles in the OP... If you built your entire life on cycling why would you not take another drug test? Sorry, but there's really no reason not to if your clean... no matter how silly the accusations are. | ||
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lowreezy08
United States143 Posts
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On August 24 2012 13:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Of course you can prove who is guilty and who isn't guilty. That's why they have drug tests o.O Those are much more effective than other people saying "Yeah he did it". Anyone can say anything they want. Drug tests don't have an agenda. And the countless drug tests he passed aren't "circumstantial", and they certainly don't show that he's more dirty than clean. But I totally would care if he did it with or without illegal supplements/ help; I think winning illegally would take away from his accomplishments. If you read link number two or the link with the doping coach interview you'd see that alot of passed tests doesn't mean anyone is clean. Link 2 the anti doping dudes claim that they have blood tests from 2009 and 2010 that show blood doping. | ||
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chaos021
United States258 Posts
On August 24 2012 13:21 GARO wrote: I have no idea how people think Armstrong giving up isnt a sign of admitting his guilt just because 'the tests never proved a thing' Really? So a failed federal investigation turns not a damn thing. He retires. USADA keeps coming after the French authorities for the Tour and the World Anti-Doping Agency found nothing years after his final test as a professional athlete. You don't smell a witch hunt? I'd be tired of the thought of spending the next decade of my life in courts too, and that's assuming I had the money Armstrong does to defend my own name. | ||
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
I am sure that they have actual evidence if they have been pursuing this for so long, as opposed to what Lance says. If there is no evidence, then fight it. With his money and legal team, I am sure it does not affect his time too much to be worth defending his legacy. I just don't by the whole "I didn't fail a test" argument. Neither did Barry Bonds, but he clearly cheated and there was an entire book written on how he successfully cheated with all sorts of evidence. I wish someone like Bonds or Armstrong would turn this type of stuff into a positive example, admit their mistake, admit how they did it, and help the governing bodies with shutting it down for the future. As much as we are, Americans are really very forgiving when it comes to people who admit their mistakes. It is people who refuse to admit it and change things that we forget about, like OJ or Robert Blake, or Barry Bonds. | ||
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