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beesinyoface
Profile Joined May 2012
2450 Posts
August 24 2012 03:30 GMT
#41
On August 24 2012 12:21 duk3 wrote:
I don't really care if he doped or not.
Just about everyone who raced at that time was doping, probably including Lance. They will have to go through a very long list of cyclists before they can find someone who actually was not doping at that time. Stripping him of his accomplishments is just petty at this point and gives them a bad reputation with the general public, who see Lance as a hero, an inspirational man and a champion, not as someone who would repeatedly lie about cheating.

Regardless of the actual facts, I can't see this having much of an effect overall.

You act as if this is the firs time a giant in a sport has been caught with doping. Barry Bonds? Mark McGwire? All seen as heroes to kids who said repeatedly they were clean. Look what ended up happening to them.

I'm not saying Lance is guilty or not, but it's not like this type of event is new.
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peekn
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1152 Posts
August 24 2012 03:31 GMT
#42
On August 24 2012 12:26 natrus wrote:
What a disgrace. He won nothing in my eyes.


Sounds like you didn't even read any of the article. He said that he is going to accept the charges, at no point in his career did he test positive for any doping substances.
lowreezy08
Profile Joined June 2011
United States143 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 03:35:10
August 24 2012 03:33 GMT
#43
If you cheat you pay for the consequences, plain and simple. If you go around the system it will eventually catch up to you. Now no one knows for certain if he doped, so striping him from titles without conclusive evidence seems wrong in my opinion, but for the little children that are saying "it doesn't matter!, I don't care if he doped he deserves the titles", please do me a favor and get a fucking reality check. This is real life, we all put our pants on 1 leg at a time, you should be punished if you don't follow the rules period. You don't get a golden spoon and run with it like half the kids in this day in age, you fucking work for what you get the right way.
sup
wurm
Profile Joined October 2007
Philippines2296 Posts
August 24 2012 03:34 GMT
#44
ITT: Nobody reads the articles in the OP.
I know where my towel is.
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
August 24 2012 03:36 GMT
#45
On August 24 2012 12:17 peekn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 12:16 ElvisWayCool wrote:
On August 24 2012 12:09 Al Bundy wrote:
"Regardless if he did or not, it's still a huge accomplishment"

no no no no you got it all wrong. accomplishments while under the effect of doping are worth nothing. If "he did", these accomplishments don't exist.


No no no no you got it all wrong. It's still a lot of amazing accomplishments.

You dope and win 7 Tours. I double dog dare you!


When you think about it he really still win those 7 Tours because everyone else you're competing against is also doping. ^_^

True lol. I remember reading in the Olympics subforum how essentially every top athelete combines hardcore training and drugs to get to the top and whatnot :/
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 24 2012 03:39 GMT
#46
Pretty easy to do too Aerisky as you can see from the youtube video I posted.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
August 24 2012 03:39 GMT
#47
they dont have any conclusive drug test catching him....
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Mondieu
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania803 Posts
August 24 2012 03:43 GMT
#48
On August 24 2012 12:10 Cornstarched wrote:
don't worry guys. No one in the world will ever take this seriously. Lance Armstrong will go down in history as a 7 time Tour De France Winner, and will never be forgotton. This is politically motivated and won't stand up to any normal mans scrutinity. He is a hero and will always be one.

We Will Remember



Exactly this! Harrasing him for over a decade and not catching him while competing makes this seem pretty strange.
peekn
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1152 Posts
August 24 2012 03:46 GMT
#49
On August 24 2012 12:36 Aerisky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 12:17 peekn wrote:
On August 24 2012 12:16 ElvisWayCool wrote:
On August 24 2012 12:09 Al Bundy wrote:
"Regardless if he did or not, it's still a huge accomplishment"

no no no no you got it all wrong. accomplishments while under the effect of doping are worth nothing. If "he did", these accomplishments don't exist.


No no no no you got it all wrong. It's still a lot of amazing accomplishments.

You dope and win 7 Tours. I double dog dare you!


When you think about it he really still win those 7 Tours because everyone else you're competing against is also doping. ^_^

True lol. I remember reading in the Olympics subforum how essentially every top athelete combines hardcore training and drugs to get to the top and whatnot :/


Yeah it's really disappointing, because if you don't do it, someone else is going to do it and you're going to lose because of it. So it forces everyone to dope to stay even.
Wyvernspur
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore10 Posts
August 24 2012 03:48 GMT
#50
On August 24 2012 12:39 FinestHour wrote:
they dont have any conclusive drug test catching him....


This. Has Armstrong actually failed a drug test? If he had, I don't see why there's a need for the USADA to step in with an 'arbitration process' ... tournament organizers could instantly strip him of his title(s)


Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
August 24 2012 03:48 GMT
#51
Hope he keeps his head up. Quite the accusations to try and tarnish this guys accomplishments. Wish they would have gone a different route to try and meet their agenda.
abominare
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1216 Posts
August 24 2012 03:48 GMT
#52
On August 24 2012 12:27 trashman wrote:
Does anybody know exactly what the USADA's evidence is? Because it seems like it's all accusations and no substance, but I can't find much of anything about the actual charges. It sounds like he's passed every drug test he's taken, the endless parade of accusations notwithstanding (unsurprising, given that it's cycling). If they went back and tested old, properly stored urine samples and found drugs, OK, he cheated and that sucks, but if it's just more testimony from people claiming that he cheated I can understand why the guy's getting sick of dealing with accusations when he's freaking retired.


From the articles, they have 10 people willing to testify that he was using and told others to use dope. While the whole list wasn't listed, they do know the list involves some of his former team mates. Specifically, team mates that were busted by drug tests, whereas Lance passed over 500 drug tests over his career and post career thanks to being badgered.

His team mates that were caught and now testifying against him were doing so for lessened penalties and not being banned due to their testimony, it wouldn't be surprising if some of the weaker cases they had would just be dismissed for testifying against him.

In an actual court this shit would, and was dismissed because of no actual hard evidence. A ring of bribed and interested witness don't hold up to mountains to hard evidence that he wasn't.
abominare
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1216 Posts
August 24 2012 03:50 GMT
#53
On August 24 2012 12:48 Wyvernspur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 12:39 FinestHour wrote:
they dont have any conclusive drug test catching him....


This. Has Armstrong actually failed a drug test? If he had, I don't see why there's a need for the USADA to step in with an 'arbitration process' ... tournament organizers could instantly strip him of his title(s)




USADA doesn't actually have the authority to officially strip. The organizers had actually sided with him when he faced criminal charges over the whole thing.
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 03:52:46
August 24 2012 03:50 GMT
#54
On August 24 2012 12:39 StarStruck wrote:
Pretty easy to do too Aerisky as you can see from the youtube video I posted.

Yeah indeed, and the link ( http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=412846 ) posted in the olympics thread was quite eye-opening. Apparently realistically it really is just impossible to be caught using some substances.

I think the guy interviewed had a good point in saying that all undetectable substances (preferably the ones that don't directly lead to athletes shortening their lifespans/hurting themselves and whatnot I guess) should be legalized. As he says, realistically an athlete cannot just run the 100m six times in a year and get into the final heat and medal consistently without the assistance of drugs. It's just impossible to be peaking the entire year. Not to mention the difference between #8 and #1 in the finals of a competition could be millions of dollars and a multitude of sponsorships, and atheletes are keenly aware of this.
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 03:51:44
August 24 2012 03:50 GMT
#55
On August 24 2012 12:11 Colour wrote:
Good. Cheating is lame.


This post is so fucking stupid.

1. You didn't read the article
2. You didn't read Lance's response
3. You don't give a fuck about due process

Does anyone fucking care about due process anymore?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Zahir
Profile Joined March 2012
United States947 Posts
August 24 2012 03:51 GMT
#56
My initial reaction was that of course he was doping; everyone was, and you don't win 7 in a row without some kind of edge. Then i realized... He's fucking 40. His time in sun is long over. I'd be done with the whole inquisition too. Some people, especially at that age, simply care more about living life than proving themselves.

At this point, he might have cheated but we have to assume he didn't, that's how justice works. You're cleared, time passes, and the law views you as innocent from that point on.
What is best? To crush the Zerg, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of the Protoss.
lowreezy08
Profile Joined June 2011
United States143 Posts
August 24 2012 03:51 GMT
#57
On August 24 2012 12:46 peekn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 12:36 Aerisky wrote:
On August 24 2012 12:17 peekn wrote:
On August 24 2012 12:16 ElvisWayCool wrote:
On August 24 2012 12:09 Al Bundy wrote:
"Regardless if he did or not, it's still a huge accomplishment"

no no no no you got it all wrong. accomplishments while under the effect of doping are worth nothing. If "he did", these accomplishments don't exist.


No no no no you got it all wrong. It's still a lot of amazing accomplishments.

You dope and win 7 Tours. I double dog dare you!


When you think about it he really still win those 7 Tours because everyone else you're competing against is also doping. ^_^

True lol. I remember reading in the Olympics subforum how essentially every top athelete combines hardcore training and drugs to get to the top and whatnot :/


Yeah it's really disappointing, because if you don't do it, someone else is going to do it and you're going to lose because of it. So it forces everyone to dope to stay even.

Doesn't matter, whole different subject, obviously the most famous are going to be more of a target, but that still doesn't give you the right to cheat. We can talk about how the popular athletes are scrutinized, but that's something totally different that needs to be justified, doesn't mean you can go around doping just because others do.
sup
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 24 2012 03:51 GMT
#58
On August 24 2012 12:50 Aerisky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 12:39 StarStruck wrote:
Pretty easy to do too Aerisky as you can see from the youtube video I posted.

Yeah indeed, and the link ( http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=412846 ) posted in the olympics thread was quite eye-opening. Apparently realistically it really is just impossible to be caught using some substances.

I think the guy interviewed had a good point in saying that all undetectable substances (preferably the ones that don't directly lead to athletes shortening their lifespans/hurting themselves and whatnot I guess). As he says, realistically an athlete cannot just run the 100m six times in a year and get into the final heat and medal consistently without the assistance of drugs. It's just impossible to be peaking the entire year.


Indeed it's very real.
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8092 Posts
August 24 2012 03:52 GMT
#59
Would possibly be the biggest news story sport has ever seen
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
August 24 2012 03:52 GMT
#60
On August 24 2012 12:50 stevarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 12:11 Colour wrote:
Good. Cheating is lame.


This post is so fucking stupid.

1. You didn't read the article
2. You didn't read Lance's response
3. You don't give a fuck about due process

Does anyone fucking care about due process anymore?

Lance Armstrong doesn't. He's chosen to forgo the arbitration without disputing it.
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