EPTHis former sponsors would sue him for compensation and for false testimony he maybe even would have to go to jail like M. Jones did. (Although i think being L. Armstrong is enough to not have to worry about jail.)
He will take the tear road.
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Pik
Germany176 Posts
His former sponsors would sue him for compensation and for false testimony he maybe even would have to go to jail like M. Jones did. (Although i think being L. Armstrong is enough to not have to worry about jail.) He will take the tear road. | ||
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Nesto
Switzerland1318 Posts
On January 12 2013 04:18 Pik wrote: I don't think he will confess. Its far too late and risky for him. His former sponsors would sue him for compensation and for false testimony he maybe even would have to go to jail like M. Jones did. (Although i think being L. Armstrong is enough to not have to worry about jail.) no way, besides the fact that I don't think that such a lawsuit is even possible, no sponsor in their right mind would consider it, because it gains them nothing, except bad publicity. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On January 12 2013 04:09 Grumbels wrote: (also, haha to all the people that defended him in this thread and called it a witch hunt) Oh but it was a witch hunt. I don't have a problem if they want to go after big fish, but from my perspective, all this effort and attention to Armstrong has been to the detriment of cleaning up the sport generally. It's business as usual in the world of cycling. Spain and France and any other international organizations seem to give all of two shits. I'm sure Contador just had a momentary lapse in discretion, right? Enjoy your Tour de France title, bud. | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On January 12 2013 04:34 Jerubaal wrote: Oh but it was a witch hunt. I don't have a problem if they want to go after big fish, but from my perspective, all this effort and attention to Armstrong has been to the detriment of cleaning up the sport generally. It's business as usual in the world of cycling. Spain and France and any other international organizations seem to give all of two shits. I'm sure Contador just had a momentary lapse in discretion, right? Enjoy your Tour de France title, bud. I just don't even watch it anymore. Call me ignorant, I don't care. All I see is a sea of riders out there with a high likelihood of doping. You can argue that's no reason to stop watching, but how do u feel when a pro is caught maphacking? Or how about match fixing? Would it make it any better if most of the pros were doing it? If I have no faith in the credibility of the results, what do I care who wins? | ||
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axej
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farvacola
United States18856 Posts
On January 12 2013 05:08 danl9rm wrote: I just don't even watch it anymore. Call me ignorant, I don't care. All I see is a sea of riders out there with a high likelihood of doping. You can argue that's no reason to stop watching, but how do u feel when a pro is caught maphacking? Or how about match fixing? Would it make it any better if most of the pros were doing it? If I have no faith in the credibility of the results, what do I care who wins? Well, if everyone is doping, doesn't that warrant a revisiting of the concept of "credibility of the results"? | ||
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jdsowa
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On January 12 2013 05:37 axej wrote: I bet this guy used drugs to beat cancer too, what a cheater could be the drugs he took that gave him cancer too... | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On January 12 2013 05:42 farvacola wrote: Well, if everyone is doping, doesn't that warrant a revisiting of the concept of "credibility of the results"? No. Did you not take my analogy into consideration? You wouldn't mind ~50% of all pros maphacking? I'd stop watching sc2 as well. It's not just against the rules, it's a completely different game at that point. One I'm not interested in. edit: Also, don't say "everyone" as if it helps to prove your point. I didn't say that, I don't believe anyone in this thread was ever arguing that, and that's really a whole different discussion. | ||
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
On January 12 2013 04:17 farvacola wrote: Somewhere there is a giant warehouse, Raiders of the Lost Ark-style, full to the brim with Livestrong bands, frozen bags of Lance's blood, and cash. Gotta have a little secret stach for a rainy day. Money is for the future, blood is a recreational drug and bands are for sentimental reasons.  I am surprised how scary it is that it makes sense. On the interview: Well I see very little reason for him to keep up the lies. Most of his zealots have changed from "Are you insane? This is a witch-hunt for an extraordinary athlete because of jelousy! Adjurn the federation council" to "So what? Everyone doped. It is absolutely counterproductive to soil his accomplishments (by revealing the truth) by hurting him!" Therefore I see no reason for him to deny. He is, however. going to give it a positive spin. Whether by delivering specific riders, framing it as a matter of "They knew, why the witchhunt?", "We were passing it around like a chillum at the time" or something else. Whatever he will choose makes it worth watching and citing which in the end is quite a scoop for the old feel good mama. | ||
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Zaqwert
United States411 Posts
If a guy blows out his knee and has major surgery to repair it that's less natural than PED's. They need to just say anything anyone wants to take is allowed. The best will still win. | ||
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liberal
1116 Posts
On January 12 2013 06:03 danl9rm wrote: No. Did you not take my analogy into consideration? You wouldn't mind ~50% of all pros maphacking? I'd stop watching sc2 as well. It's not just against the rules, it's a completely different game at that point. One I'm not interested in. edit: Also, don't say "everyone" as if it helps to prove your point. I didn't say that, I don't believe anyone in this thread was ever arguing that, and that's really a whole different discussion. But would you stop watching if 100% of the pros were maphacking? The game would be even more deep, it would be an even greater test of skill, for both sides to have perfect information. The problem is really when you try to straddle the middle ground, when some people follow the rules because thems the rules and other people break the rules and enjoy a clear advantage. That is the worst possible sport to watch or play. Either you have to enforce the rules or change the rules, and the rules simply cannot be enforced. The problem is you cannot prevent the inevitable. Doping is the future of sports. You can either bury your head in the sand and pretend you can prevent it, or you can simply accept it and see how we move forward from here. We are simply placating ourselves and our denial when we crucify sacrificial lambs like Armstrong. | ||
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
On January 12 2013 06:25 Zaqwert wrote: People need to get over it. If a guy blows out his knee and has major surgery to repair it that's less natural than PED's. They need to just say anything anyone wants to take is allowed. The best will still win. No the best will die from OD'ing. Push your drug tolerance and go a step further than your competitors to win. Welcome to team Glaxosmithklein how may I service your needs? | ||
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Thorakh
Netherlands1788 Posts
On January 12 2013 06:25 Zaqwert wrote: The reason why doping is banned is not because they want people to cycle solely on their own strength, but for the safety of the runners.People need to get over it. If a guy blows out his knee and has major surgery to repair it that's less natural than PED's. They need to just say anything anyone wants to take is allowed. The best will still win. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
If there was a map hack problem in SC2 and many pro players would use map hacks, then if the most successful one of them was revealed, would you call this a witch hunt? The term witch hunt for taking action against legitimate cheaters has to be one of the most cynical things in the world. Might as well do away with the concept of justice then. | ||
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shabby
Norway6402 Posts
On January 12 2013 06:43 Thorakh wrote: The reason why doping is banned is not because they want people to cycle solely on their own strength, but for the safety of the runners. What about all the performance enhancing drugs that aren't remotely dangerous or that you can't OD on? | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On January 12 2013 06:50 shabby wrote: What about all the performance enhancing drugs that aren't remotely dangerous or that you can't OD on? Yeah it's called "normal food". It's been proven this year that you can still do pretty incredible performances WITHOUT doping. It's just not necessary at all. Letting everyone dope is a ridiculous idea. Stick to the rules, enforce the rules and that is that. Lance is a complete fraud and should be considered such. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On January 12 2013 06:50 shabby wrote: What about all the performance enhancing drugs that aren't remotely dangerous or that you can't OD on? The system isn't perfect. Generally speaking things that exist in normal food are not in the list, special medications are on the list. It's partly to make it easier for the athletes: if basically everything is illegal except for the basics, you don't feel like a medical guinea pig. | ||
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shabby
Norway6402 Posts
On January 12 2013 06:56 Klive5ive wrote: Yeah it's called "normal food". It's been proven this year that you can still do pretty incredible performances WITHOUT doping. It's just not necessary at all. Letting everyone dope is a ridiculous idea. Stick to the rules, enforce the rules and that is that. Lance is a complete fraud and should be considered such. These athletes do not eat "normal food".  Their diet is very well supplemented, both for performance and health reasons so they can train as hard as they do. My point was that it is not just because of the safety of the runners, because there are a lot of things that are banned that aren't inherently dangerous. Or things like that it is OK to sleep in a pressure chamber, but you can't inject to get the exact same physiological change. The line is vague, and as stated above, if you want to ban everything that isn't "natural", then you have to change most of their diet, the stuff they drink during their runs, their medical treatments, their beds etc.Some drugs just got a bad rep and the crowd needs something to be angry at. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On January 12 2013 07:04 shabby wrote: These athletes do not eat "normal food". Their diet is very well supplemented, both for performance and health reasons so they can train as hard as they do. My point was that it is not just because of the safety of the runners, because there are a lot of things that are banned that aren't inherently dangerous. Or things like that it is OK to sleep in a pressure chamber, but you can't inject to get the exact same physiological change. The line is vague, and as stated above, if you want to ban everything that isn't "natural", then you have to change most of their diet, the stuff they drink during their runs, their medical treatments, their beds etc.Some drugs just got a bad rep and the crowd needs something to be angry at. Quibbling about a few of the drugs on the list is just a pointless distraction. The list exists for two reasons: 1. to stop needless medicalization of the sport and 2. to protect the athletes from having to kill themselves. Whether some of the drugs on it are mostly harmless is besides the point, which is that sports are a game for which we set rules, those rules being to avoid needless medicalization. You'll notice that basically everything that you can find in food is allowed and things that you can find in medication are not. Also, pressure chambers are only mildly effective, their effects have been exaggerated to explain certain performance increases that were actually due to EPO. And they stimulate natural EPO, which throws off the tests. I think they are pretty ridiculous though, but they're not too different from moving about mountains, so I suppose there is no direct need to ban them. I think the main issue is that you can't trust the athletes to abide by the rules, which is the main problem with these doping lists. | ||
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