It's all in the report if you cared enough to read it. What he said is pretty much undeniable, nothing to do with hate, everything to do with facts, but i guess that won't stop white knights.

kmillz

United States1548 Posts

October 26 2012 00:17 GMT

#943

On October 25 2012 21:01 Passion wrote:
No worries guys, Lance still has a future.
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Lmao

Serpest

United States603 Posts

October 26 2012 00:27 GMT

#944

Those of you who still defend Armstrong's personality, just read about what happened with Christophe Bassons.

To clarify, I'm talking about this spot in particular, but the whole article sheds light on cycling's history since the 90s.

Stage 10 occurred on July 14 and was from Sestrieres to Alpe d'Huez. Nobody had been talking to him. The entire peloton planned to ride slow for the first 100km without telling him. Bassons only heard about this because a mechanic from his team told him. Bassons decided he was "fed up" and decided to ride ahead of the others ("attacked from the start"). As they came to a flat spot, "all of the teams rode together to close me down". As the teams rode by him, they stared at him. [8]
" . . . and then Lance Armstrong reached me. He grabbed my by the shoulder, because he knew that everyone would be watching, and he knew that at that moment, he could show everyone that he was the boss. He stopped me, and he said what I was saying wasn't true, what I was saying was bad for cycling, that I musn't say it, that I had no right to be a professional cyclist, that I should quit cycling, that I should quit the tour, and finished by saying [*beep*] you. . . . I was depressed for 6 months. I was crying all of the time. I was in a really bad way." - Bassons, from BBC Radio 5, 2012 10 15[8]
Bassons said Armstrong also asked him why he was speaking out; "I told him that I'm thinking of the next generation of riders. Then he said 'Why don't you leave, then?'"[9] Armstrong confirmed the story. On the main evening news on TF1, a national television station, Armstrong said: "His accusations aren't good for cycling, for his team, for me, for anybody. If he thinks cycling works like that, he's wrong and he would be better off going home."

musai

Canada552 Posts

October 26 2012 01:44 GMT

#945

Maybe if that Bassons guy wasn't a dick he wouldn't have been shunned.

applebottomjeans

1 Post

October 26 2012 02:06 GMT

#946

He's still made over a hundred million dollars off those titles. Will he ever lose any of that?

jdsowa

405 Posts

October 26 2012 02:20 GMT

#947

Yea, god forbid someone speak up about people making millions of dollars by committing fraud on a massive scale. Who did that guy think he was?

Chunhyang

Bangladesh1389 Posts

October 26 2012 02:45 GMT

#948

The fact that everyone else cheated is no excuse, and does not mitigate Lance's cheating.

On an side note, although I'm impressed by the USADA's efforts, they really come off as jerks. I always get the impression that they're making themselves out as heroes "we're super important!!!" etc.

Caihead

Canada8550 Posts

October 26 2012 02:55 GMT

#949

On October 26 2012 10:44 musai wrote:
Maybe if that Bassons guy wasn't a dick he wouldn't have been shunned.

Turning down bribery of 270,000 francs a month for him to do EPO, being the only clean guy on the team is being a dick? No one was talking to him because he gave a shit about integrity in the sport where no one else did and didn't like the whistle blowing. This man deserves the price money of these fraudulent tours. I really want to see what twisted logic you come from to call this guy a dick yet defend the actions of Armstrong.

Caihead

Canada8550 Posts

October 26 2012 03:02 GMT

#950

On October 24 2012 08:16 KiWiKaKi wrote:
Just face the fact that everyone is doping in pro sports!

Except the moral few who are systematically shunned and have the public turn their backs on them because the public justifies doping. What a pathetic mentality.

JimmyJRaynor

Canada18063 Posts

January 11 2013 18:39 GMT

#951

Lance Armstrong is being interviewed by Ophrah for 90 minutes.

either Lance provides a big time confession to Oprah with a plan on how he'll attempt to make amends.

if Lance tries to do the old "deny deny deny"..
Oprah will make him look like a complete and total idiot.

PassiveAce

United States18076 Posts

January 11 2013 18:40 GMT

#952

He probably wouldnt have taken the interview if he doesnt have anything new to say.

Myles

United States5162 Posts

January 11 2013 18:43 GMT

#953

Yea, I heard he was doing Oprah and immediately thought 'here comes the confession'. I can't see any other reason to do it.

Nisyax

Netherlands756 Posts

January 11 2013 18:47 GMT

#954

On January 12 2013 03:40 PassiveAce wrote:
He probably wouldnt have taken the interview if he doesnt have anything new to say.

Money

, but wondering what he is going to say.

PassiveAce

United States18076 Posts

January 11 2013 18:51 GMT

#955

thats silly, what is he gonna do, go on oprah and say the exact same thing that he said 4 months ago?

peekn

United States1152 Posts

January 11 2013 18:52 GMT

#956

On January 12 2013 03:43 Myles wrote:
Yea, I heard he was doing Oprah and immediately thought 'here comes the confession'. I can't see any other reason to do it.

You see this time and time again in professional sports where the person denies denies denies then they finally confess. That's probably what is going to happen here I think. I'm really curious on what he is going to do after the fact. A movie or something would be cool.

Jerubaal

United States7684 Posts

January 11 2013 18:56 GMT

#957

On January 12 2013 03:39 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Lance Armstrong is being interviewed by Ophrah for 90 minutes.

either Lance provides a big time confession to Oprah with a plan on how he'll attempt to make amends.

if Lance tries to do the old "deny deny deny"..
Oprah will make him look like a complete and total idiot.

Like she made Marion Jones look like an idiot? Pretty sure it was Oprah that looked like the idiot after that.

Everyone knows he did it. Everyone knows that everyone else was doing it too. Livestrong is still a worthy organization. What else should I care about?

Grumbels

Netherlands7032 Posts

January 11 2013 19:09 GMT

#958

He has little left to do but make a confession and turn over a new leaf. I think it's a very calculated move though, for example when Tyler Hamilton was caught he told the authorities everything that he knew and was willing to testify, Lance Armstrong on the other hand kept up with the denial for so long it became comical, then absurd, then just sad. If he would have wanted to help the sport of cycling he would have told the truth sometime before, instead of endlessly attacking the integrity of all who believed in his guilt (some of his bullying tactics are disgusting). He probably wants to continue on with his life, sees there is no point in keeping up his innocence after he has already been found guilty by the anti-doping agencies and cycling union, so thinks that by confessing and putting up a charade of feeling guilty for what he has done, he thinks he can keep most of his money and respectability and maybe even go on competing.

In a few years you can probably find him on the lecture circuit, giving speeches about how doping is bad, he'll be advertised as "reformed athlete Lance Armstrong" and be seen as a hero for giving kids a good example. I very much hope he won't be taken seriously by anyone and won't be allowed to compete again, he did too many bad things to too many people and he very much hurt the sport. He was the worst doper and worst bully out of them all, he is the perfect representative for everything that was (is) wrong with cycling.

(also, haha to all the people that defended him in this thread and called it a witch hunt)