EPTLance Armstrong to lose Titles, Banned - Page 6
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Diizzy
United States828 Posts
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
On August 24 2012 13:21 GARO wrote: I have no idea how people think Armstrong giving up isnt a sign of admitting his guilt just because 'the tests never proved a thing' Yeah, the guy who vehemently fought the doping accusations during his entire career decides to give up suddenly only because it affects his personal life now? Give me a fucking break. Playing devil's advocate... He has spent over a decade saying the same thing over and over again knowing he is innocent. He's probably got more important things in his life than telling people to look at his long string of negative tests. Maybe he's really not that concerned with cementing his legacy anymore, as the doubters will never truly change their minds at this point. He's getting older, and might not have the energy or the time to keep the charade up anymore. If the evidence against him is only the testimony of teammates -- some of whom admitted to doping -- then there's not much more he can really say. If he cheated in this fashion, he should by the rules be stripped of the titles. But his impact on cycling, cancer treatment/research fundraising and as an inspirational person is hardly damaged. My respect for him has not changed, he has accomplished a great many things and pushed forth a good cause. What's the point in him defending his TdF titles anymore? What does he have to gain? | ||
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kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
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Luepert
United States1934 Posts
On August 24 2012 12:09 Al Bundy wrote: "Regardless if he did or not, it's still a huge accomplishment" no no no no you got it all wrong. accomplishments while under the effect of doping are worth nothing. If "he did", these accomplishments don't exist. Then why doesn't everyone who dopes win 7 times? That's what he means. There is no doubt many other people doped against him in many of his races but he still won. I'm not saying he did, I'm just saying that even if he doped, he still put in a shitload of effort and made it through tough situations. | ||
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chaos021
United States258 Posts
On August 24 2012 13:27 TheAmazombie wrote: People still think that he is innocent and I really don't. I do not think this was a witch hunt or anything at all and they would not have spent so much time and effort if they did not have damning evidence of some type. No person working for the Justice department wants to tear apart an American Hero. I honestly, personally, want to believe him innocent, but I don't think he is in my heart. Well, if you believe it in your heart, I guess that's enough for me. I am sure that they have actual evidence if they have been pursuing this for so long, as opposed to what Lance says. If there is no evidence, then fight it. With his money and legal team, I am sure it does not affect his time too much to be worth defending his legacy. I just don't by the whole "I didn't fail a test" argument. Neither did Barry Bonds, but he clearly cheated and there was an entire book written on how he successfully cheated with all sorts of evidence. That sure is a lot of supposition. Are you fabulously wealthy and have had experience defending your name in a court of law? I wish someone like Bonds or Armstrong would turn this type of stuff into a positive example, admit their mistake, admit how they did it, and help the governing bodies with shutting it down for the future. As much as we are, Americans are really very forgiving when it comes to people who admit their mistakes. It is people who refuse to admit it and change things that we forget about, like OJ or Robert Blake, or Barry Bonds. If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. In all seriousness, what makes you believe he did it besides your "heart." And on another note, I believe Michael Vick has already gone down that road. | ||
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Wafflelisk
Canada1061 Posts
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zerino
Denmark253 Posts
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Luepert
United States1934 Posts
On August 24 2012 13:23 Colour wrote: If you built your entire life on cycling why would you not take another drug test? Sorry, but there's really no reason not to if your clean... no matter how silly the accusations are. There's no reason to if you're not competing anymore. You can't take away previous accomplishments based on present faults. Then nobody could win anything because they might forfeit it in the future. | ||
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
On August 24 2012 13:34 chaos021 wrote: Well, if you believe it in your heart, I guess that's enough for me. That sure is a lot of supposition. Are you fabulously wealthy and have had experience defending your name in a court of law? If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. In all seriousness, what makes you believe he did it besides your "heart." And on another note, I believe Michael Vick has already gone down that road. I can't believe that they would continue to go after him if they did not believe him/have actual, credible evidence to say he is guilty. I can't see someone sitting around going "You know what we should do? Take someone that is considered an American hero and tear him apart, even though he is innocent, just to set an example and to witch hunt." It just doesn't make sense. Also, I can't believe someone who fought to hard to create a legacy would just let go that easily. There is so much backroom dealings and evidence in situations like this that don't become public for decades after it happens. I think more in this case will come out in the future. It just does not make sense to me - the government has little to nothing to gain from Lance being guilty unless they know he is, where Lance has a lot to still gain from claiming that he didn't cheat. | ||
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
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thebigdonkey
United States354 Posts
On August 24 2012 13:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Of course you can prove who is guilty and who isn't guilty. That's why they have drug tests o.O Those are much more effective than other people saying "Yeah he did it". Anyone can say anything they want. Drug tests don't have an agenda. And the countless drug tests he passed aren't "circumstantial", and they certainly don't show that he's more dirty than clean. But I totally would care if he did it with or without illegal supplements/ help; I think winning illegally would take away from his accomplishments. Drug tests are dodged and beaten regularly. The insinuation for years when someone was caught is that you have to be a cheater AND you have to be stupid to get caught. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
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Colour
Canada68 Posts
On August 24 2012 13:39 Luepert wrote: There's no reason to if you're not competing anymore. You can't take away previous accomplishments based on present faults. Then nobody could win anything because they might forfeit it in the future. I think there is a reason. I think he loses a tremendous amount of value if this is true. ... and obviously you can't take away his accomplishments if he decided to "break the rules" after the fact. But if you can apply new testing to old samples then I feel like that is fair game. No one forfeits anything if they did it legitimately. | ||
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ApoNow
Luxembourg100 Posts
On August 24 2012 12:17 peekn wrote: When you think about it he really still win those 7 Tours because everyone else you're competing against is also doping. ^_^ And that's why I despise cycling  | ||
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chaos021
United States258 Posts
On August 24 2012 13:40 TheAmazombie wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On August 24 2012 13:34 chaos021 wrote: Well, if you believe it in your heart, I guess that's enough for me. That sure is a lot of supposition. Are you fabulously wealthy and have had experience defending your name in a court of law? If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. In all seriousness, what makes you believe he did it besides your "heart." And on another note, I believe Michael Vick has already gone down that road. I can't see someone sitting around going "You know what we should do? Take someone that is considered an American hero and tear him apart, even though he is innocent, just to set an example and to witch hunt." It just doesn't make sense. Because that's never been done before. By all means, run with your feelings. They're clearly leading you to great things. | ||
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
Its common knowledge that most retired "good" cyclists, and even some active ones, have problem with there heart. Cycling is one of the sports known to fuck you up and for a full time cyclist to reach 80 is something as special as a sumo player reaching 60 despite the fact that they don't get a ceremony for it. BUT the conditions a lot of "champions" are in atm is way worse than what is expected from simply practicing cycling, im not saying they all dope guys but... they all dope. | ||
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krews
United States1308 Posts
On August 24 2012 13:41 aRyuujin wrote: Everyone dopes. pity armstrong got caught, he was a heroic man He never got caught, and never will. This is guilty until proven innocent, and hes tired of proving innocence year after year. | ||
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jupidar
United States229 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On August 24 2012 13:05 skeldark wrote: He could have at least the balls to public admit it. He only admit over the backdoor when its already clear. but what do you expect from a cheater... To all the fans here: I understand you are disappointed. But keep on lying to yourself, when its so obvious, dont help you at all. Learn 2 read the article he's giving up his medals and accepts being banned because he's tired of being harassed. There is no proof he was doping with drugs. It's reasonable for him to do that if he's still being harassed, they have absolutely 0 proof. | ||
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