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akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 05:15:52
August 24 2012 05:15 GMT
#141
i'm glad they adopt the "innocent until proven guilty" mantra (not serious). what an absolute travesty. was there any proof that lance was on peds?

how come justin gatlin can run in the olympics and get a silver and bronze when he has tested positive in the past?

if i was lance, i'd get tired too of having to deal with this even after retirement.
Striborg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States47 Posts
August 24 2012 05:17 GMT
#142
I don't even get the big deal about doping. If it makes 'em go faster on their bikes longer, then I'm all for it. Purists must be left behind.
Stop exploding, you cowards!
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
August 24 2012 05:19 GMT
#143
On August 24 2012 14:17 Striborg wrote:
I don't even get the big deal about doping. If it makes 'em go faster on their bikes longer, then I'm all for it. Purists must be left behind.



theyd absolutely kill themselves with that shit if it was fully legal
Kevmeister @ Dota2
worked13
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia93 Posts
August 24 2012 05:24 GMT
#144
Wow, what a huge blow to both Lance and the sport of Cycling. Expect the media to blow this one up into a "you aren't a good cyclist unless you are on performance enhancing drugs" fiasco.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
August 24 2012 05:28 GMT
#145
On August 24 2012 14:17 Striborg wrote:
I don't even get the big deal about doping. If it makes 'em go faster on their bikes longer, then I'm all for it. Purists must be left behind.


Imagine a world where top athletes HAVE to do potentially dangerous performance enhancing drugs just to be considered 'pro's'.

You could probably put a SC2 player on Adderall but eventually their brain will turn to fudge.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
August 24 2012 05:30 GMT
#146
On August 24 2012 14:24 worked13 wrote:
Wow, what a huge blow to both Lance and the sport of Cycling. Expect the media to blow this one up into a "you aren't a good cyclist unless you are on performance enhancing drugs" fiasco.


You're saying that as if it wasn't the case already.
Kevmeister @ Dota2
rckY
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany116 Posts
August 24 2012 05:33 GMT
#147
Finally, wasn't this already proven like 3 years ago.. i don't get how it could take so long. Meanwhile cycling lost all its credibilty...
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
August 24 2012 05:37 GMT
#148
this infuriates me so fucking much.

how many fucking tests do you have to pass under the most INTENSE scrutiny before you're fucking innocent?

of course he's tired of fighting bullshit claims by floyd landis (a prick) and tyler hamilton (a double prick). USADA is a joke as is its investigation.

before retards say i'm an armstrong lover, my favorite cyclist of all time is Jan Ullrich. If that doesn't mean anything to you, then you have no right to comment on shit
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Nacl(Draq)
Profile Joined February 2011
United States302 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 05:41:09
August 24 2012 05:38 GMT
#149
He didn't do anything. he had to take steroids for cancer and the blood transfusions were required to. Holy fuck, france is still upset over this. The french government was the first to take actions against him and they have been continuing this for a while.

The steroids weren't anabolic and weren't for putting on muscle. The blood transfusions were for living not for increasing the amount of oxygen in his blood before a race. He had to take tests in between races in the tours. This is just some silly little game people are playing cause some great athlete did something borderline difficult.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 05:45:24
August 24 2012 05:43 GMT
#150
On August 24 2012 14:15 akalarry wrote:
i'm glad they adopt the "innocent until proven guilty" mantra (not serious). what an absolute travesty. was there any proof that lance was on peds?

how come justin gatlin can run in the olympics and get a silver and bronze when he has tested positive in the past?

if i was lance, i'd get tired too of having to deal with this even after retirement.


He's pretty much proven to be guilty. The fact he beat everything that was on drugs is suspicious enough. It doesn't help his case when his era of dominance was basically the era that literally every cyclist was doping. Today, cyclists are literally doing certain legs minutes slower.

Doping was extremely widespread in cycling and this is still probably the case. Doping tests, as a whole, are pretty easy to pass on the spot if you know how to do it. Read up on Operación Puerto if you're curious.

On August 24 2012 14:19 FliedLice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 14:17 Striborg wrote:
I don't even get the big deal about doping. If it makes 'em go faster on their bikes longer, then I'm all for it. Purists must be left behind.



theyd absolutely kill themselves with that shit if it was fully legal


They already do. Some cyclists have to wake up in the night to peddle around so their cardiovascular system doesn't shut down. Their blood is so thick that they need to do this.
Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
August 24 2012 05:44 GMT
#151
They´re all using, he was still the best.
♞ Against the Wind - Bob Seger ♞
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
August 24 2012 05:45 GMT
#152
On August 24 2012 14:43 Womwomwom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 14:15 akalarry wrote:
i'm glad they adopt the "innocent until proven guilty" mantra (not serious). what an absolute travesty. was there any proof that lance was on peds?

how come justin gatlin can run in the olympics and get a silver and bronze when he has tested positive in the past?

if i was lance, i'd get tired too of having to deal with this even after retirement.


He's pretty much proven to be guilty. The fact he beat everything that was on drugs is suspicious enough. It doesn't help his case when his era of dominance was basically the era that literally every cyclist was doping. Today, cyclists are literally doing certain legs minutes slower compared to a decade ago.

Doping was extremely widespread in cycling and this is still probably the case. Doping tests, as a whole, are pretty easy to pass on the spot if you know how to do it.

Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 14:19 FliedLice wrote:
On August 24 2012 14:17 Striborg wrote:
I don't even get the big deal about doping. If it makes 'em go faster on their bikes longer, then I'm all for it. Purists must be left behind.



theyd absolutely kill themselves with that shit if it was fully legal


They already do. Some cyclists have to wake up in the night to peddle around so their cardiovascular system doesn't shut down. Their blood is so thick that they need to do this.


You know, being the best ever might make you a few minutes faster than people nowadays.
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 05:47:33
August 24 2012 05:47 GMT
#153
On August 24 2012 14:07 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 13:58 StarStruck wrote:
On August 24 2012 13:55 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
It's a witch hunt. Nothing more, nothing less. His guilt or innocence doesn't matter at this point to me. All cycling has to do is basically acknowledge that that era might've been slightly tainted and they're going to do their best in the future to prevent any doping. Move on. Use MLB as an example and get past the issue.


Good luck with that. They already made examples of plenty of athletes but they really want Lance as the ultimate scapegoat and this era of doping you speak of. Athletes are always on stuff man. As Chael said you change one molecute and what do you know. Safe zone.

It's a wild goose chase. Things that were used back then were arguably legal. Ten years later they make the ban list because it's always evolving.


Athletes are always on stuff. Which is exactly why the USADA should do what I said. Admit there was probably shit going on without making direct accusations and simply try to improve for the future. They'll never just allow a free-for-all for drug use so they have to continue in adding to lists and making things known. It's the best you can do at the moment.


It's practically impossible to govern as the lists are always obsolete.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 05:52:08
August 24 2012 05:48 GMT
#154
On August 24 2012 14:45 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 14:43 Womwomwom wrote:
On August 24 2012 14:15 akalarry wrote:
i'm glad they adopt the "innocent until proven guilty" mantra (not serious). what an absolute travesty. was there any proof that lance was on peds?

how come justin gatlin can run in the olympics and get a silver and bronze when he has tested positive in the past?

if i was lance, i'd get tired too of having to deal with this even after retirement.


He's pretty much proven to be guilty. The fact he beat everything that was on drugs is suspicious enough. It doesn't help his case when his era of dominance was basically the era that literally every cyclist was doping. Today, cyclists are literally doing certain legs minutes slower compared to a decade ago.

Doping was extremely widespread in cycling and this is still probably the case. Doping tests, as a whole, are pretty easy to pass on the spot if you know how to do it.

On August 24 2012 14:19 FliedLice wrote:
On August 24 2012 14:17 Striborg wrote:
I don't even get the big deal about doping. If it makes 'em go faster on their bikes longer, then I'm all for it. Purists must be left behind.



theyd absolutely kill themselves with that shit if it was fully legal


They already do. Some cyclists have to wake up in the night to peddle around so their cardiovascular system doesn't shut down. Their blood is so thick that they need to do this.


You know, being the best ever might make you a few minutes faster than people nowadays.


Its not just Lance. The whole front of pro pelotons are significantly slower today. The whole era was literally cyclists doping. Operación Puerto was one of the few (only?) operations that brought the police into it and that busted a silly number of cyclists for doping. Including Jan Ullrich.
Cyanocyst
Profile Joined October 2010
2222 Posts
August 24 2012 05:49 GMT
#155
On August 24 2012 12:13 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
I like the term innocent until proven guilty ^^ posts like "good. cheating is lame." when it isn't set in stone shows though that most people will pick up the pitchfork and run with anything they hear.

Let's see how this pans out.


If i had won a bunch of titles, due to purely my own hardwork, there's no way i would just say " Fuck it, you media guys are annoying. Here are all my medals, take them."

I'm not discrediting how tiring it could get. Though i don't believe that a person truly innocent would ever just give up like that.
|| Fruit Dealer | Leenock | Yughio | Coca | Sniper | True | Solar | Dark |
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
August 24 2012 05:49 GMT
#156
On August 24 2012 14:47 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 14:07 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On August 24 2012 13:58 StarStruck wrote:
On August 24 2012 13:55 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
It's a witch hunt. Nothing more, nothing less. His guilt or innocence doesn't matter at this point to me. All cycling has to do is basically acknowledge that that era might've been slightly tainted and they're going to do their best in the future to prevent any doping. Move on. Use MLB as an example and get past the issue.


Good luck with that. They already made examples of plenty of athletes but they really want Lance as the ultimate scapegoat and this era of doping you speak of. Athletes are always on stuff man. As Chael said you change one molecute and what do you know. Safe zone.

It's a wild goose chase. Things that were used back then were arguably legal. Ten years later they make the ban list because it's always evolving.


Athletes are always on stuff. Which is exactly why the USADA should do what I said. Admit there was probably shit going on without making direct accusations and simply try to improve for the future. They'll never just allow a free-for-all for drug use so they have to continue in adding to lists and making things known. It's the best you can do at the moment.


It's practically impossible to govern as the lists are always obsolete.


I didn't say it was perfect. Nor did imply it was. They just have to do the best they can. If they want to make more sweeping changes and maybe make a list of things you can take, but anything not on the list is a "can't" maybe it'd work. Point is, they're not going to make everything legal so they just have to accept problems will arise and try to fix it for the future.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Sepheren
Profile Joined May 2012
United States66 Posts
August 24 2012 05:50 GMT
#157
"Sports needs steroids."
-Daniel Tosh

and I agree.
DMKraft
Profile Joined December 2010
476 Posts
August 24 2012 05:50 GMT
#158
On August 24 2012 14:37 darthfoley wrote:
this infuriates me so fucking much.

how many fucking tests do you have to pass under the most INTENSE scrutiny before you're fucking innocent?

of course he's tired of fighting bullshit claims by floyd landis (a prick) and tyler hamilton (a double prick). USADA is a joke as is its investigation.

before retards say i'm an armstrong lover, my favorite cyclist of all time is Jan Ullrich. If that doesn't mean anything to you, then you have no right to comment on shit



How many? = all of them + you also have to not multiple people testify against you.

How many drugs tests did Marion Jones fail, none. Was she running on drugs for many year and winning, yes.
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 24 2012 05:51 GMT
#159
One of the things that just makes more sense to me now is to have one set of competitions for people who are drugged, and another set of competitions for people who are clean.
Что?
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 05:55:10
August 24 2012 05:51 GMT
#160
On August 24 2012 14:37 darthfoley wrote:
this infuriates me so fucking much.

how many fucking tests do you have to pass under the most INTENSE scrutiny before you're fucking innocent?

of course he's tired of fighting bullshit claims by floyd landis (a prick) and tyler hamilton (a double prick). USADA is a joke as is its investigation.

before retards say i'm an armstrong lover, my favorite cyclist of all time is Jan Ullrich. If that doesn't mean anything to you, then you have no right to comment on shit

How ironic!
Jan ullrich admit that he doped in every single tour, AFTER he was proven guilty by all possible German and international courts...
You would think armstrong learned from his mistakes...
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