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Ercster
Profile Joined August 2011
United States603 Posts
January 09 2012 20:32 GMT
#101
Well since, in general, homework is for practice, I don't mind if people use this service. My feeling is that most homework shouldn't be required, but instead optional. The only thing you should get for doing homework is a high-five, you shouldn't be graded for practicing.
“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.” -Neil deGrasse Tyson
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
January 09 2012 20:33 GMT
#102
If you ever need to do their math homework and they also want to see your steps, you might as well just punch in their data into matlab/mathematica/maple. It can do a lot of things. But maybe the easy stuff you won't need bother with it.
Year 2500 Greater Israel ( Bahrain, Cyprus, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Gaza Strip, West Bank, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, Yemen )
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
January 09 2012 20:33 GMT
#103
On January 10 2012 05:31 RoosterSamurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 05:28 FallDownMarigold wrote:
On January 10 2012 05:25 RoosterSamurai wrote:
If you want to graduate from college and be incompetent in your field because you wanted to be lazy, then by all means....


That's a logical fallacy tho, isn't it? What if I pay someone to do my art homework in order to pass the class, then go on to become a craniofacial plastic surgeon?

This example is exaggerated, but I thought you might want to know why what you said doesn't make sense

You're also committing a fallacy. You're assuming that someone only does this for 1 or 2 papers, whereas the big concern in this thread (If you read it, you'd know this) is that people just do this for all of their papers.
Sure, if you're studying medicine and you pay someone to write your art history essay, who cares? But if you're studying medicine and you pay someone to write all your papers, then the only thing likely in your future is a malpractice suit...


No no, I'm not assuming anything. I'm just pointing out the exception to your statement that invalidates it. In other words, for your statement to stand, you need to clarify, which you've done now due to my comment.
RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
January 09 2012 20:35 GMT
#104
On January 10 2012 05:33 nalgene wrote:
If you ever need to do their math homework and they also want to see your steps, you might as well just punch in their data into matlab/mathematica/maple. It can do a lot of things. But maybe the easy stuff you won't need bother with it.

That doesn't always work. In the calculus class I recently took, the tests were, literally, 75% of the grade, and they were all on paper in proctored rooms. You were allowed to have 1 sheet (one sided) of handwritten notes, and you were only allowed to use a TI85 or less.
RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
January 09 2012 20:35 GMT
#105
On January 10 2012 05:33 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 05:31 RoosterSamurai wrote:
On January 10 2012 05:28 FallDownMarigold wrote:
On January 10 2012 05:25 RoosterSamurai wrote:
If you want to graduate from college and be incompetent in your field because you wanted to be lazy, then by all means....


That's a logical fallacy tho, isn't it? What if I pay someone to do my art homework in order to pass the class, then go on to become a craniofacial plastic surgeon?

This example is exaggerated, but I thought you might want to know why what you said doesn't make sense

You're also committing a fallacy. You're assuming that someone only does this for 1 or 2 papers, whereas the big concern in this thread (If you read it, you'd know this) is that people just do this for all of their papers.
Sure, if you're studying medicine and you pay someone to write your art history essay, who cares? But if you're studying medicine and you pay someone to write all your papers, then the only thing likely in your future is a malpractice suit...


No no, I'm not assuming anything. I'm just pointing out the exception to your statement that invalidates it. In other words, for your statement to stand, you need to clarify, which you've done now due to my comment.

So then, in essence, we agree.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
January 09 2012 20:37 GMT
#106
On January 10 2012 05:35 RoosterSamurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 05:33 FallDownMarigold wrote:
On January 10 2012 05:31 RoosterSamurai wrote:
On January 10 2012 05:28 FallDownMarigold wrote:
On January 10 2012 05:25 RoosterSamurai wrote:
If you want to graduate from college and be incompetent in your field because you wanted to be lazy, then by all means....


That's a logical fallacy tho, isn't it? What if I pay someone to do my art homework in order to pass the class, then go on to become a craniofacial plastic surgeon?

This example is exaggerated, but I thought you might want to know why what you said doesn't make sense

You're also committing a fallacy. You're assuming that someone only does this for 1 or 2 papers, whereas the big concern in this thread (If you read it, you'd know this) is that people just do this for all of their papers.
Sure, if you're studying medicine and you pay someone to write your art history essay, who cares? But if you're studying medicine and you pay someone to write all your papers, then the only thing likely in your future is a malpractice suit...


No no, I'm not assuming anything. I'm just pointing out the exception to your statement that invalidates it. In other words, for your statement to stand, you need to clarify, which you've done now due to my comment.

So then, in essence, we agree.


Now that you've clarified, I agree with your modified statement. Getting back on topic, that is a good point. If you do this for EVERYTHING, it probably says something about your character in general -- that you can't be bothered to commit yourself to your own work, which in and of itself is sorta disturbing.
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
January 09 2012 20:39 GMT
#107
Who said world is fair? Its funny how we care about relatively small problems while forgetting about big unfairnesses.
Mirosuu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
England283 Posts
January 09 2012 20:43 GMT
#108
I've had a situation last year where a lot of the students in my CS class were blatently copying each others answers on an assessed class test for programming. We had weekly assessed tests for it, and they were cheating every week. It was definitely disheartening watch all of your hard work just go to waste because so many people were cheating to get grades of the same level of mine.

Needless to say, a lot of people failed that class when it came to the exam.

It's incredibly wrong to do other peoples homework for money. It harms universities grading, and it allows people to get degrees or earn easy marks towards degrees that clearly don't deserve it.

It angers me when people cheat on exams or in homework or coursework. It's just stupid.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
January 09 2012 20:47 GMT
#109
On January 10 2012 05:35 RoosterSamurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 05:33 nalgene wrote:
If you ever need to do their math homework and they also want to see your steps, you might as well just punch in their data into matlab/mathematica/maple. It can do a lot of things. But maybe the easy stuff you won't need bother with it.

That doesn't always work. In the calculus class I recently took, the tests were, literally, 75% of the grade, and they were all on paper in proctored rooms. You were allowed to have 1 sheet (one sided) of handwritten notes, and you were only allowed to use a TI85 or less.

That is slightly different since that's a test. With that amount maybe they might actually be encouraged to do their own homework then.
Year 2500 Greater Israel ( Bahrain, Cyprus, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Gaza Strip, West Bank, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, Yemen )
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-09 20:55:03
January 09 2012 20:53 GMT
#110
On January 10 2012 05:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 05:13 Dfgj wrote:
On January 10 2012 05:01 FallDownMarigold wrote:
It's only "100%" wrong in a concrete sense if it's illegal or something, yes?

It is 'illegal' in the sense that it's blatantly against the rules of most schools and would get you kicked out. We accept a lot of sub-state authorities for defining rules - it's not illegal to hack in SC2 competitions, but we sure as hell are against that too.


Of course it's illegal to do that; what are you smoking?

It's against the rules of the tournament. It is, by definition, illegal.

There is no law against it, but it is against the rules. I was comparing it to the definition here:

On January 10 2012 05:01 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Well I meant illegal in terms of the school's board, not the actual government...bad wording I guess.

Where he suggests that as there is no law against getting people to do your papers. This is technically true, but it is 'illegal' in a sense there are non-government rules against it (as in the case of cheating in a tournament).

My point is that just because something does not have a national law against it, does not mean it is therefore a moral or acceptable action, given that there are other authorities such an act may fall under.
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-09 20:58:28
January 09 2012 20:56 GMT
#111
Funny enough this is a lot how a business works.

Paying someone else to do the work.


I don't recall doing any Math or Physics homework ever because it was just a waste of time, I was never going to go into any physics or math career. Copied all of it. I turned out pretty well.
We decide our own destiny
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-09 21:00:02
January 09 2012 20:56 GMT
#112
i wish some of my TAs would cheat on their classes that they're teaching so i could just have someone who could speak english teaching me.. and my english mixed with korean understanding is pretty damn good from watching BW, i shudder to think about an average domestic student

in all seriousness, cheating is pretty rampant.. i took my french professor out to dinner (she is 23 fresh of the boat) and i got an A in a 5 credit class, i was pretty pleased with myself to be honest
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
Dbars
Profile Joined July 2011
United States273 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-09 21:02:32
January 09 2012 21:02 GMT
#113
At first i thought it was getting laid to do homework. I WISH
Carson
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada820 Posts
January 09 2012 21:10 GMT
#114
Considering that the current educational system is already tailored to the wealthy, this is an inevitable outcome.

I work at a hospital and the number of useless but wealthy kids that come out of the university system "prepared for the rigors of health-care" is staggering.

It is obviously unethical though.
"You have to remember something: Everybody pities the weak; jealousy you have to earn." Arnold Schwarzenegger
Nancial
Profile Joined July 2011
197 Posts
January 09 2012 21:10 GMT
#115
lol. how is it frightening. education is crap... as long as you're not getting medical education
eohs
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States677 Posts
January 09 2012 21:11 GMT
#116
Listen I have no real problem if somoene uses it 1 time... maybe they went to a party and didnt have enough time to do 1 paper. Its the people that abuse it and use it every time I would have a problem with. I agree on some points you made in the OP . Its a damn shame that people dont want to put the hard work it takes to be successful in life. If you do go to college and you are trying to find your calling , it should really be your calling it should be something you enjoy doing, it should be something that you want to write a paper on. It shouldnt be a burden on you, enough to go and have someone else right your wrongs. Just my opinion.. but still I think the teachers and educators of this world are so underpaid , now they think they are teaching things the rigth way because half of there class gets A+ on there homework all because of a website.
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FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
January 09 2012 21:11 GMT
#117
On January 10 2012 05:53 Dfgj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 05:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On January 10 2012 05:13 Dfgj wrote:
On January 10 2012 05:01 FallDownMarigold wrote:
It's only "100%" wrong in a concrete sense if it's illegal or something, yes?

It is 'illegal' in the sense that it's blatantly against the rules of most schools and would get you kicked out. We accept a lot of sub-state authorities for defining rules - it's not illegal to hack in SC2 competitions, but we sure as hell are against that too.


Of course it's illegal to do that; what are you smoking?

It's against the rules of the tournament. It is, by definition, illegal.

There is no law against it, but it is against the rules. I was comparing it to the definition here:

Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 05:01 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Well I meant illegal in terms of the school's board, not the actual government...bad wording I guess.

Where he suggests that as there is no law against getting people to do your papers. This is technically true, but it is 'illegal' in a sense there are non-government rules against it (as in the case of cheating in a tournament).

My point is that just because something does not have a national law against it, does not mean it is therefore a moral or acceptable action, given that there are other authorities such an act may fall under.


Fair point. But what if the person involved does not hold the same moral values for his own reasons? What if he value avoiding cheating, but is compelled to overcome this moral impediment due to financial necessity? I don't know, those are just some ideas, not to disagree or anything
Holden Caulfield
Profile Joined March 2010
102 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-09 21:17:12
January 09 2012 21:15 GMT
#118
It only matters if you are graduating in medicine, engineering or something like that, otherwise univeristy is just a big children day care center and a scam for the most part.
Gaspa
Profile Joined February 2011
Brazil109 Posts
January 09 2012 21:17 GMT
#119
Paying someone to do your homework is pathetic and wrong.

Accepting payment to do other people's hw is very wrong and should be unlawful, if it already isn't.

I would much rather have my students cheat in some way on their homework than pay someone to do it. At least cheating requires some sort of skill. btw, I would never encourage cheating, although it might sound like I am. I'm just saying which one is the less bad.
"I cannot believe you were stupid enough to be offended by what I said" -- A. Schoenberg
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3811 Posts
January 09 2012 21:22 GMT
#120
In Denmark when you switch from High School (gymnasium, handelsgymnasium etc) to College (universitet, handelshøjskole etc.) you usually get 100% of your grades from a single test/exam, so this hardly applies to DK.
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