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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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unlmtd
Germany76 Posts
The tests won't be that good and they will fail. | ||
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Jojo131
Brazil1631 Posts
On January 10 2012 01:57 Troxle wrote: Tests are cheatable too. Programmable calculators and a simple picture to display an erased screen overcome this for any math/science major (though my Vector Calculus and Differential Equations class don't allow anything beyond TI-30 so they kind of throw that ability out the window). I do agree that homework is weighted too much though. My dynamics teacher actually gave up this semester on homework, he just assigns practice problems for us and posts the solutions and steps online (probably because we all admitted to using Cramster to complete our Statics homework...spending 5 hours working out the equilibrium of a truss is not fun). I do NOT condone cheating, but I also do not view homework as something you can cheat on. If you learn nothing from class or homework, well you fail the course. If you already understand the material from previous classes or even from the lecture and feel comfortable that you could pass the test, I don't see the point in spending time on the homework (though I did notice, if I mastered the homework, it almost took longer to use Cramster to find an answer unless the problem was super tedious). Some people also just dont thrive in test taking conditions as well as others, while they may be very diligent and knowledgeable in the actual course material. I can totally see the problem with there being to much weight on homework, but as a student I can also share experiences wherein its just not your day to take a test. Didn't catch enough sleep, dog died the night before, you feel sick, whatever you know? Definitively not the best day to decide 80% of your final grade or whatever. | ||
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Mr. Black
United States470 Posts
In high school, I was involved with a highly organized cheating ring for a statistics class. At the time, we justified it by the fact that the teacher was incompetent (had no mastery of the material herself), and the assignments were overly long. We cheated on the homework and found ways to steal the tests. There was no question then or now that the cheating was wrong, but I do not feel guilty, really -- I tell the story in detail sometimes, because we went to some crazy lengths to steal those tests -- certainly spent more time scheming and planning, than it would have taken to do the homework. That said, I did not cheat in college or post-grad, and I got really angry with those that did, especially in curve classes. Cheating hurts the cheater and everyone competing with the cheater. In post-grad, a few people got expelled for cheating. I remember thinking, "Good, get rid of that garbage." Then, "Oh shit, I have really changed from high school -- I hate high school me." | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43793 Posts
On January 10 2012 01:44 unichan wrote: Learning a language isn't as easy as you think. Maybe some people can learn English using the ways you suggested, but for a lot of international students they've worked their ass off to just get to America and will do whatever they can to stay - their English might not be top notch yet, because they just arrived here to study and all they have so far is whatever English they learned in their home country, which may not be enough. What if they didn't need that knowledge for a higher level math class? If you're studying to become something like a psychologist or something, you don't really need that geometry class. It might be extremely hard for some people, and if they did it themselves, it would leave a dent on their GPA for something that doesn't really matter to them. If they devote a lot of time to trying to do well in that class, it takes out time from studying the things that are actually relevant to their future. It's great to be well-rounded, but most people aren't well-rounded. How long do you think an engineering major is going to retain the philosophy that he doesn't care about that he learned from a course he was forced to take? 1. If their current English isn't enough, then they go learn English using the multitude of suggestions I gave (or anyone with common sense could give). It's not like they're being asked to write PhD-level English papers. They're going to be placed into some sort of basic skills English course if they don't know much English. And then they actually learn! To advocate someone else writing a whole paper for them (rather than getting a tutor or any other guide) not only stops them from *ever* learning more English, but the professor doesn't even know if the international student even did the research required for the paper (whether it's science or math or anything else). 2. I already explained that not all courses are pre-requisites, and exactly gave reasons why other courses you're taking shouldn't be cheated in anyway. | ||
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Grovbolle
Denmark3804 Posts
On January 10 2012 00:14 Snettik wrote: Well if he doesn't learn the stuff he will fail the uncheatable tests. If he learns without writing esseys himself what is the problem? THIS^^ I Totally agree. (not that I have paid for getting my homework done) | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On January 10 2012 02:19 Grovbolle wrote: THIS^^ I Totally agree. (not that I have paid for getting my homework done) + paying is better than beating up the nerd to do your homework i guess | ||
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
Secondly, people with money have always been able to obtain degrees with relatively little effort compared to their peers if desired, with enough money you can obtain anything right? finally, most homework assignments don't really teach you anything. I mean, they give you a chance to prove you know something, but if you feel like you know it anyway why bother jumping through the hoop if you don't have to? just playing devil's advocate, I probably wouldn't use this service myself | ||
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
ah high school i miss you so much, so easy, barely went and got all A's. haha | ||
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Not_Computer
Canada2277 Posts
= wrong without a doubt. Paying someone to write your children's story assignment in ESL class so you can concentrate on your graduate level math/physics/economics/other science paper that requires little English aside from a few short paragraphs that can be fixed by your roommate proofreading it = possibly unfair to all the hard working domestic students that are paying a fraction of what you are to do a degree you already did before in your home country but got rejected here cause your home country isn't on friendly terms with this country. | ||
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k3m4
Germany94 Posts
So if you dont understand the topic your homework is about, you actually dont have to do it, but if you dont you have to so you learn what you ahve to learn. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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Ghostcom
Denmark4781 Posts
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brachester
Australia1786 Posts
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Hakker
United States1360 Posts
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mrafaeldie12
Brazil537 Posts
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Jacobine
United States174 Posts
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HardMacro
Canada361 Posts
On January 10 2012 00:25 Mr Showtime wrote: The problem: Students are not proving that they are deserving of their degree. Solution 1: Former student earns degree, gets a job, and proves incompetent. Person is fired. Solution 2: Former student earns degree, gets a job, proves competent and continues on with their life. Conclusion: It doesn't make a difference. You either prove that the homework wasn't really a true test of the knowledge required, or you get what you deserve for being lazy. From the view-point of universities and employers, this shouldn't be a concern. Most likely Solution 2. First of all, unless you're in a very specific and specialized field (i.e., nanotechnology) which I doubt most of these students are in (they are using essay/assignment services after all), jobs utilize very little of the stuff you learn in university, I'd put the percentage at 5% from personal experience. For most business, social sciences, management, etc. jobs (jobs without the need for very specific technical knowledge), once you've landed a job it's very difficult to get fired for incompetence because these jobs don't exactly require expert-level knowledge or training on the levels of brain surgeons or chemists. Most of the job knowledge comes from on-the-job training and learning, so conservatively, I'd say 95% of the times, you're in for a long time as long as you're in. I've had jobs TOTALLY unrelated to my studies (i.e., working as a data miner and database builder for a real estate company while my major in economics) that I loved and excelled at and vice versa. These well-off kids that can afford to pay are getting ahead in life with money; they are NOT going to suffer from it as a result lol. | ||
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skatbone
United States1005 Posts
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HereBeDragons
1429 Posts
The article covers many interesting aspects of how the system actually works, who are the clients and what not. At the same time it is interesting to note that his perspective is pretty one-sided to think that he could do everything - notice that in all the fields he cheated, none involves real math. If you're writing about math, there's no bullshit you can talk about, you have to exactly know what you're doing to be able to write a paper on it. This extends to most application of maths including engineering and computer science. From my personal point of view, I find that we have gone too far in valuing that piece of paper you get upon graduation above all else when applying for a job. These people then either cry about can't finding jobs (because they're incapable of trying having never done so in their life), or takes up valuable space and do nothing everyday and get paid for it. | ||
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