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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
January 09 2012 17:06 GMT
#61
german politicians approve.
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
unlmtd
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany76 Posts
January 09 2012 17:10 GMT
#62
The students are shooting themselves in the foot if they use this "help".
The tests won't be that good and they will fail.
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Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
January 09 2012 17:12 GMT
#63
On January 10 2012 01:57 Troxle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 01:46 liberal wrote:
This is one of the many reasons that I've always felt grades should be 100% determined by TESTS. Those actually determine what you LEARNED, not how much mindless spam work you put in. Are we trying to actually educate kids, or to make them little worker bees for society?

Part of this belief of mine is a selfish desire, because in school I always did very well in the classes based on tests, and poorly in the classes based on how many stupid assignments you could turn in.


Tests are cheatable too. Programmable calculators and a simple picture to display an erased screen overcome this for any math/science major (though my Vector Calculus and Differential Equations class don't allow anything beyond TI-30 so they kind of throw that ability out the window). I do agree that homework is weighted too much though. My dynamics teacher actually gave up this semester on homework, he just assigns practice problems for us and posts the solutions and steps online (probably because we all admitted to using Cramster to complete our Statics homework...spending 5 hours working out the equilibrium of a truss is not fun).

I do NOT condone cheating, but I also do not view homework as something you can cheat on. If you learn nothing from class or homework, well you fail the course. If you already understand the material from previous classes or even from the lecture and feel comfortable that you could pass the test, I don't see the point in spending time on the homework (though I did notice, if I mastered the homework, it almost took longer to use Cramster to find an answer unless the problem was super tedious).


Some people also just dont thrive in test taking conditions as well as others, while they may be very diligent and knowledgeable in the actual course material. I can totally see the problem with there being to much weight on homework, but as a student I can also share experiences wherein its just not your day to take a test. Didn't catch enough sleep, dog died the night before, you feel sick, whatever you know? Definitively not the best day to decide 80% of your final grade or whatever.
Mr. Black
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States470 Posts
January 09 2012 17:14 GMT
#64
I would be interested to find out whether the proprietor of this unethical, but likely profitable web-site was, him or herself, a cheater.

In high school, I was involved with a highly organized cheating ring for a statistics class. At the time, we justified it by the fact that the teacher was incompetent (had no mastery of the material herself), and the assignments were overly long. We cheated on the homework and found ways to steal the tests. There was no question then or now that the cheating was wrong, but I do not feel guilty, really -- I tell the story in detail sometimes, because we went to some crazy lengths to steal those tests -- certainly spent more time scheming and planning, than it would have taken to do the homework.

That said, I did not cheat in college or post-grad, and I got really angry with those that did, especially in curve classes. Cheating hurts the cheater and everyone competing with the cheater. In post-grad, a few people got expelled for cheating. I remember thinking, "Good, get rid of that garbage." Then, "Oh shit, I have really changed from high school -- I hate high school me."
Make more anything.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44185 Posts
January 09 2012 17:15 GMT
#65
On January 10 2012 01:44 unichan wrote:
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On January 10 2012 00:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On January 10 2012 00:26 tryummm wrote:
On January 10 2012 00:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
There's probably a good chance that the teacher will be able to discern your level of writing from that of the student's in-class garbage essay. Plus, as someone already in acadamia, if you get caught helping students cheat, good luck getting a job elsewhere.

I'd look for easy money doing something a bit different. Tutor them instead

On January 10 2012 00:03 bonifaceviii wrote:
The majority of people who use essay-writing services and homework services are foreign students whose level of English is too low.


Out of curiosity, do you have a source for this?


If you go to a University with a lot of international students you will see it. Most of them have a difficult time writing children stories for their ESL class, how else will they get a good grade on a comprehensive research paper?


Oh I don't know... maybe by actually learning the language, getting a tutor, getting help from the teacher/ professor, reading their textbook, looking online for extra assistance, or using something like Rosetta Stone?

If they have the money to cheat and ask people to write papers for them (in which they don't learn anything from the experience), they have the money to commit to their education, in one way or the other.

And while I haven't talked to many international students, I've also heard that any lazy, rich, white kid who thinks he can get away with it will just as easily try something stupid like this... so I was wondering if there were actual statistics to back up these claims, or if it was just anecdotes.

Learning a language isn't as easy as you think. Maybe some people can learn English using the ways you suggested, but for a lot of international students they've worked their ass off to just get to America and will do whatever they can to stay - their English might not be top notch yet, because they just arrived here to study and all they have so far is whatever English they learned in their home country, which may not be enough.


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On January 10 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On January 10 2012 01:01 Kybuar wrote:
Will, I had two friends who had to take a geometry class over a website, and they did not want to do it. I did it for them in a week, while it would normally take them a month or so. I dont see the big deal really.


What if geometry was a prerequisite for a higher-level math class, and they needed that knowledge to perform well in the next course? They're screwed.

Even if it was a general education requirement and not for the students' major, colleges ask for those to be taken so that students become well-rounded individuals. Even if a class isn't necessarily practical in a future job, that doesn't exempt a person from taking it.

That's why some people might consider you excusing another student from their necessary education a "big deal". You're not a dean of that school. So whether you think it's okay or not think it's okay, at least recognize why people may have the other opinion.

What if they didn't need that knowledge for a higher level math class? If you're studying to become something like a psychologist or something, you don't really need that geometry class. It might be extremely hard for some people, and if they did it themselves, it would leave a dent on their GPA for something that doesn't really matter to them. If they devote a lot of time to trying to do well in that class, it takes out time from studying the things that are actually relevant to their future. It's great to be well-rounded, but most people aren't well-rounded. How long do you think an engineering major is going to retain the philosophy that he doesn't care about that he learned from a course he was forced to take?


1. If their current English isn't enough, then they go learn English using the multitude of suggestions I gave (or anyone with common sense could give). It's not like they're being asked to write PhD-level English papers. They're going to be placed into some sort of basic skills English course if they don't know much English. And then they actually learn! To advocate someone else writing a whole paper for them (rather than getting a tutor or any other guide) not only stops them from *ever* learning more English, but the professor doesn't even know if the international student even did the research required for the paper (whether it's science or math or anything else).

2. I already explained that not all courses are pre-requisites, and exactly gave reasons why other courses you're taking shouldn't be cheated in anyway.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3805 Posts
January 09 2012 17:19 GMT
#66
On January 10 2012 00:14 Snettik wrote:
Well if he doesn't learn the stuff he will fail the uncheatable tests. If he learns without writing esseys himself what is the problem?


THIS^^
I Totally agree. (not that I have paid for getting my homework done)
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
January 09 2012 17:50 GMT
#67
On January 10 2012 02:19 Grovbolle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 00:14 Snettik wrote:
Well if he doesn't learn the stuff he will fail the uncheatable tests. If he learns without writing esseys himself what is the problem?


THIS^^
I Totally agree. (not that I have paid for getting my homework done)

+ paying is better than beating up the nerd to do your homework i guess
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
January 09 2012 17:55 GMT
#68
First of all most general colleges/universities make you take tons of dumb classes you don't want to do/learn.

Secondly, people with money have always been able to obtain degrees with relatively little effort compared to their peers if desired, with enough money you can obtain anything right?

finally, most homework assignments don't really teach you anything. I mean, they give you a chance to prove you know something, but if you feel like you know it anyway why bother jumping through the hoop if you don't have to?

just playing devil's advocate, I probably wouldn't use this service myself
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-09 17:58:17
January 09 2012 17:57 GMT
#69
shit i bet over the course of my high school career i could have made a few grand from all my friends who cheated off of me. pretty much in my accounting class half of the class would copy off of my test (would pass mine to my friend, he would copy, then i'd turn mine in and everyone would copy off of his).

ah high school i miss you so much, so easy, barely went and got all A's. haha
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Not_Computer
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
January 09 2012 18:09 GMT
#70
Paying someone to do your thesis from scratch with no input from yourself
= wrong without a doubt.

Paying someone to write your children's story assignment in ESL class so you can concentrate on your graduate level math/physics/economics/other science paper that requires little English aside from a few short paragraphs that can be fixed by your roommate proofreading it
= possibly unfair to all the hard working domestic students that are paying a fraction of what you are to do a degree you already did before in your home country but got rejected here cause your home country isn't on friendly terms with this country.
"Jaedong hyung better be ready. I'm going to order the most expensive dinner in Korea."
k3m4
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany94 Posts
January 09 2012 18:41 GMT
#71
As a german Oberstufen pupil I think its fine, cuz here homework counts about ~20% for the final grade but if you dont actually understand what stands in your homework and you gotta present or write a test you are fucked. And if you really understnad it then you dont have to do it cuz you already learned what had to be learned so you jsut saved some time, which can be much more prescious then a bit of money.
So if you dont understand the topic your homework is about, you actually dont have to do it, but if you dont you have to so you learn what you ahve to learn.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
January 09 2012 18:54 GMT
#72
I was just on that site, most people seem to be doing it just to pass a class they have no interest in. Not my cup of tea, but whatever floats their boats. I noticed one guy who wanted to cheat on a paper exam, he said he had a pen that records and sends information as it is written... He wanted someone to get this information through e-mail and then finish the exam and call him and tell him what to write... People like that seem to put more effort into cheating than just passing the class, I don't like that at all. If you get stuck in a class that is completely out of left field and you do not need it, then I kind of understand wanting to pay others to take the class for you... Still don't entirely approve of it though.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
January 09 2012 18:56 GMT
#73
This is 100% wrong and there is zero excuse for participating in this for neither the student nor the helper!
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
January 09 2012 18:59 GMT
#74
who cares? They can get away with paying other people to do their hw/assigment but they'll fail at tests and exams which is what really matter.
I hate all this singing
Hakker
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1360 Posts
January 09 2012 19:04 GMT
#75
Who cares. They're only setting themselves up for failure in the long run.
mrafaeldie12
Profile Joined July 2011
Brazil537 Posts
January 09 2012 19:08 GMT
#76
Well its a way to make money off of rich spoiled students,its legit,its imoral in theory but in capitalism you don't have morals so its fine.I don't worry about the people that pay for homework doing big on the future because in certain situations you can't just buy your way out and you probably won't have mommy and daddy money anymore.
"..it all comes thumbling down thumbling down thumblin down"
Jacobine
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States174 Posts
January 09 2012 19:31 GMT
#77
I totally agree with the OP on this one, however if it brings you any comfort those people will reap what they are currently sowing. I know very few businesses who tolerate lazy incompetent employees, which is what they are going to become. So, the individuals who use these services might for a bit get ahead, but in the end they are really just damaging their own value.
"Resist that inner boner. - Day[9]"
HardMacro
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada361 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-09 19:36:49
January 09 2012 19:32 GMT
#78
Ahahaha, so much "who cares they're going to suffer in the long run (tests/exams/jobs) later" in this thread, such wishful thinking.

On January 10 2012 00:25 Mr Showtime wrote:
The problem: Students are not proving that they are deserving of their degree.
Solution 1: Former student earns degree, gets a job, and proves incompetent. Person is fired.
Solution 2: Former student earns degree, gets a job, proves competent and continues on with their life.

Conclusion: It doesn't make a difference. You either prove that the homework wasn't really a true test of the knowledge required, or you get what you deserve for being lazy. From the view-point of universities and employers, this shouldn't be a concern.


Most likely Solution 2.

First of all, unless you're in a very specific and specialized field (i.e., nanotechnology) which I doubt most of these students are in (they are using essay/assignment services after all), jobs utilize very little of the stuff you learn in university, I'd put the percentage at 5% from personal experience. For most business, social sciences, management, etc. jobs (jobs without the need for very specific technical knowledge), once you've landed a job it's very difficult to get fired for incompetence because these jobs don't exactly require expert-level knowledge or training on the levels of brain surgeons or chemists.

Most of the job knowledge comes from on-the-job training and learning, so conservatively, I'd say 95% of the times, you're in for a long time as long as you're in. I've had jobs TOTALLY unrelated to my studies (i.e., working as a data miner and database builder for a real estate company while my major in economics) that I loved and excelled at and vice versa.

These well-off kids that can afford to pay are getting ahead in life with money; they are NOT going to suffer from it as a result lol.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ saving this here because I use it, don't know how to make it, and don't know it's name
skatbone
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1005 Posts
January 09 2012 19:33 GMT
#79
Hey OP, do you have a link to the original article? I'd like to get some more information. Like you, I'm in academia and I'm always interested in what my students might be up to.
Mercurial#1193
HereBeDragons
Profile Joined May 2011
1429 Posts
January 09 2012 19:37 GMT
#80
For anyone asking for sources about this homework cheating world, I present to you an article written by an individual buried deep into the roots of this: The Shadow Scholar.

The article covers many interesting aspects of how the system actually works, who are the clients and what not. At the same time it is interesting to note that his perspective is pretty one-sided to think that he could do everything - notice that in all the fields he cheated, none involves real math. If you're writing about math, there's no bullshit you can talk about, you have to exactly know what you're doing to be able to write a paper on it. This extends to most application of maths including engineering and computer science.

From my personal point of view, I find that we have gone too far in valuing that piece of paper you get upon graduation above all else when applying for a job. These people then either cry about can't finding jobs (because they're incapable of trying having never done so in their life), or takes up valuable space and do nothing everyday and get paid for it.
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