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DawN883
Sweden558 Posts
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
On January 10 2012 01:01 kef wrote: I can see how this is wrong, but I think that if people can do this and they can still get a career afterwards and perform well in said career, then there is a major flaw with the education system they were using. It would literally mean that the education they were supposed to receive was a waste of money seeing as how they could've done well with without it. If that isn't the case and they were unable to get a job or do it well because they lacked the proper knowledge and skills, then (hopefully) they'll lose that job to somebody who is actually qualified (didn't cheat) and all is well. you have to realize that the international people who cheat are more than often rich, have parents who are company executives, and are pretty much guarenteed a job after graduation. disregarding my university, i know 2-3 students who got their masters degree not because they need it for their job, but mostly because it looks good on their resume/profile. high qualifications on profiles, after all, helps to convince clients, investors, partners etc that this person is capable On January 10 2012 01:18 AceTenRyu wrote: The person that does the homework for some1 else is just as bad as the person who didn't do his own homework. For a bit of money? wtf... i disagree. the person that does the homework for someone else gets money, and also gets more practice. but anyhow, i've indirectly done reports for someone many times. for group projects, we always get a slacker who does nothing, and when we force him to do work he gives us shit. does that mean we dont work on the stuff that hes supposed to do but didnt do? after all, its a group project and even if we have to carry the slacker up by doing his work, we cant risk our own grades. | ||
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hummingbird23
Norway359 Posts
It does however cast a shadow on how relevant some of the things in university are. If someone can jump through flaming hoops and get awarded a degree with zero bearing on their job prospects and without getting fired, I wonder what is really wrong with the system. This doesn't absolve the moral culpability on both user and provider. In any case, I hope the legal system finds a way to bring down absolute flaming hell on these people. Jail time would not be too harsh. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43793 Posts
On January 10 2012 01:01 kef wrote: I can see how this is wrong, but I think that if people can do this and they can still get a career afterwards and perform well in said career, then there is a major flaw with the education system they were using. It would literally mean that the education they were supposed to receive was a waste of money seeing as how they could've done well with without it. If that isn't the case and they were unable to get a job or do it well because they lacked the proper knowledge and skills, then (hopefully) they'll lose that job to somebody who is actually qualified (didn't cheat) and all is well. Obtaining a career is only one of multiple reasons why you get an education. My career is in math education, and I don't need any knowledge that my history classes provided me (to teach math), but that doesn't justify cheating (or not taking those classes). Another reason why you get an education is to become a functioning and well-rounded member of society. That's why colleges have general education requirements. Another reason is to give you options- that's especially why you take multiple academic subjects at primary and secondary levels. It gives you a taste of everything, and the experiences can help you make your future choices. But it's wrong to say that since you don't directly use a course in your job, you never need the knowledge or could have cheated in it. It's useful for other things. | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
These services won't disappear as long as there are monetary incentives for the providers and as long as there is demand for them. If PhD students were paid more they wouldn't spend time doing it. Believe me, they are busy enough so they do it only to repair their budget. | ||
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Fuhrmaaj
167 Posts
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Zketch
Sweden34 Posts
And a good teacher should be able to see the lack of performance and commitment by the student during class. | ||
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unichan
United States4223 Posts
On January 10 2012 00:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Oh I don't know... maybe by actually learning the language, getting a tutor, getting help from the teacher/ professor, reading their textbook, looking online for extra assistance, or using something like Rosetta Stone?  If they have the money to cheat and ask people to write papers for them (in which they don't learn anything from the experience), they have the money to commit to their education, in one way or the other. And while I haven't talked to many international students, I've also heard that any lazy, rich, white kid who thinks he can get away with it will just as easily try something stupid like this... so I was wondering if there were actual statistics to back up these claims, or if it was just anecdotes. Learning a language isn't as easy as you think. Maybe some people can learn English using the ways you suggested, but for a lot of international students they've worked their ass off to just get to America and will do whatever they can to stay - their English might not be top notch yet, because they just arrived here to study and all they have so far is whatever English they learned in their home country, which may not be enough. On January 10 2012 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: What if geometry was a prerequisite for a higher-level math class, and they needed that knowledge to perform well in the next course? They're screwed. Even if it was a general education requirement and not for the students' major, colleges ask for those to be taken so that students become well-rounded individuals. Even if a class isn't necessarily practical in a future job, that doesn't exempt a person from taking it. That's why some people might consider you excusing another student from their necessary education a "big deal". You're not a dean of that school. So whether you think it's okay or not think it's okay, at least recognize why people may have the other opinion. What if they didn't need that knowledge for a higher level math class? If you're studying to become something like a psychologist or something, you don't really need that geometry class. It might be extremely hard for some people, and if they did it themselves, it would leave a dent on their GPA for something that doesn't really matter to them. If they devote a lot of time to trying to do well in that class, it takes out time from studying the things that are actually relevant to their future. It's great to be well-rounded, but most people aren't well-rounded. How long do you think an engineering major is going to retain the philosophy that he doesn't care about that he learned from a course he was forced to take? | ||
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hummingbird23
Norway359 Posts
On January 10 2012 01:37 Lebesgue wrote: Well, I understand people who provide their services at these sites. Most of them are probably PhD students living at a very low scholarship while working their asses off on producing original research. It is not surprising that they use that opportunity to earn easy money. These services won't disappear as long as there are monetary incentives for the providers and as long as there is demand for them. If PhD students were paid more they wouldn't spend time doing it. Believe me, they are busy enough so they do it only to repair their budget. The excuse of being poor only goes so far though. IMO, anyone who gets caught doing this should be booted right off the PhD program, since they apparently don't understand academic ethics. It's a separate question as to why the PhD students are so poor that they have to do this, and it should also be addressed. | ||
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liberal
1116 Posts
Part of this belief of mine is a selfish desire, because in school I always did very well in the classes based on tests, and poorly in the classes based on how many stupid assignments you could turn in. | ||
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hummingbird23
Norway359 Posts
On January 10 2012 01:46 liberal wrote: This is one of the many reasons that I've always felt grades should be 100% determined by TESTS. Those actually determine what you LEARNED, not how much mindless spam work you put in. Are we trying to actually educate kids, or to make them little worker bees for society? Part of this belief of mine is a selfish desire, because in school I always did very well in the classes based on tests, and poorly in the classes based on how many stupid assignments you could turn in. The problem with test based assessment is that it's difficult to be creative about assessments. For quite a few things, even open book tests don't capture the skills well enough. There are a lot of things that a term paper can tell you about what a person has learned that a test cannot. | ||
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stevarius
United States1394 Posts
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Timestreamer
Israel157 Posts
I just realized something. Students are the only part of society not abiding by the first rule of economics: They're the only group trying to get as less as possible for their money 0_0 | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On January 10 2012 01:54 Timestreamer wrote: Interesting. I just realized something. Students are the only part of society not abiding by the first rule of economics: They're the only group trying to get as less as possible for their money 0_0 Or maybe they realize that (for them) the main value of going through university isn't learning new things. It's the degree and for some the "experience". | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
Make every single subject in University, college and school examined by papers and oral interviews. No stupid coursework. Thesis only for post grad. | ||
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Troxle
United States486 Posts
On January 10 2012 01:46 liberal wrote: This is one of the many reasons that I've always felt grades should be 100% determined by TESTS. Those actually determine what you LEARNED, not how much mindless spam work you put in. Are we trying to actually educate kids, or to make them little worker bees for society? Part of this belief of mine is a selfish desire, because in school I always did very well in the classes based on tests, and poorly in the classes based on how many stupid assignments you could turn in. Tests are cheatable too. Programmable calculators and a simple picture to display an erased screen overcome this for any math/science major (though my Vector Calculus and Differential Equations class don't allow anything beyond TI-30 so they kind of throw that ability out the window). I do agree that homework is weighted too much though. My dynamics teacher actually gave up this semester on homework, he just assigns practice problems for us and posts the solutions and steps online (probably because we all admitted to using Cramster to complete our Statics homework...spending 5 hours working out the equilibrium of a truss is not fun). I do NOT condone cheating, but I also do not view homework as something you can cheat on. If you learn nothing from class or homework, well you fail the course. If you already understand the material from previous classes or even from the lecture and feel comfortable that you could pass the test, I don't see the point in spending time on the homework (though I did notice, if I mastered the homework, it almost took longer to use Cramster to find an answer unless the problem was super tedious). | ||
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Craton
United States17233 Posts
I've already finished my BS and most of my MS and I can say that of all the papers I ever wrote for college, very few were actually worth doing. One of my first MS courses had a small ~3 page paper where I ended up writing about solid-state drives. Who cares? I learn nothing relevant from doing this. Meanwhile, I had one BS course where every assignment was some form of coding project, which is the class I learned the most in and enjoyed the most. Stop assigning so many stupid/useless papers and maybe students will actually spend the time to do them. | ||
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goswser
United States3519 Posts
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Troxle
United States486 Posts
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GoldenH
1115 Posts
So the only way it is 'cheating' is that you have an advantage other people don't have, well, that's always going to be the case anyway, best to get used to it and learn how to be successful than complain about it not being fair. | ||
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