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FoeHamr
United States489 Posts
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On January 10 2012 06:11 FallDownMarigold wrote: Fair point. But what if the person involved does not hold the same moral values for his own reasons? What if he value avoiding cheating, but is compelled to overcome this moral impediment due to financial necessity? I don't know, those are just some ideas, not to disagree or anything I'd say that because you've accepted the terms of the institution to study there, you also have to abide by their rules to receive a degree from them. Therefore your personal convictions are less important since you're accountable to more than just yourself. | ||
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Saturnize
United States2473 Posts
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NoobSkills
United States1595 Posts
On January 10 2012 00:00 Cytokinesis wrote: I just found out today about a certain site that allows you to do people's homework for cost. I'm still trying to wrap my head around just how big this is (One user made 35000 in 400 days doing other people's homework) but it really, really bothers me on an ethical standpoint. I work at a University and am working on a PhD at said university as well. So what ethical problems? Firstly, the most obvious one is that people are cheating. This, oddly enough, is not the most important ethical issue at hand here. People cheat and in the long run it comes back to get them usually (if they do it a lot). This one is not so bothersome. Besides, this stuff happened before a mainstream site acted as a middleman and really popularized it. The second issue is this advocacy for cheating. This is what trips me up. If someone can make a decent sum of money on the side for doing the odd assignment for students then the incentive is just ridiculous. What I mean is, financially, it would be hard for many professionals to resist making 300$ to write a paper for some kid. Of course the underlying issue there is wages for teachers and professors. And finally I really find it as a disturbing social commentary on the way the education system works and is seen. The whole point of going to school is to learn these things yourself. I think it's also interesting as another service completely unavailable for poorer people. Someone with money can pay a professor to do all of the coursework for them and get all A's. What do you guys think? You pointed out the main issue in the OP that in the end it will bite them in the ass. On the flip side though a student studying computer science forced to learn a foreign language could easily justify cheating a final paper for that language to get the passing grade needed to graduate. For me though I just don't care if they do let them make their decisions. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
The people that can afford this are probably going to be pretty damn well off. I know I don't have the money to throw around for a simple HW assignement. People that are well off can basically already pay their way into decent colleges, even great colleges sometimes. (I don't like it, but it happens a ton) So this isn't much different in my opinion. edit: In my highschool half the people don't even do HW and they still cost through with A's/B's in certain classes because of the weighting of tests/participation/homework. It might be different where you live, Idk | ||
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Fealthas
607 Posts
You hire a some man to run your nuclear reactor. He does not know what he is doing because he paid someone else to know what to do for him. So he messes up and the reactor explodes. Of course nothing this dramatic will happen but...people doing things they don't know how to do. Leads to disaster. School = for learning | ||
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ragnorr
Denmark6097 Posts
On January 10 2012 06:22 Grovbolle wrote: In Denmark when you switch from High School (gymnasium, handelsgymnasium etc) to College (universitet, handelshøjskole etc.) you usually get 100% of your grades from a single test/exam, so this hardly applies to DK. You can get courses at uni in denmark which is either assignments which gives you upto 50% of your grade(dependant on course) for that course, or take home exams which accounts for your entire grade. So its very much posible to do in denmark as well. | ||
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Brett
Australia3820 Posts
If they are incompetent, the exam or workplace will sort them out. | ||
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fuzzy_panda
New Zealand1681 Posts
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Vilonis
United States130 Posts
Of course, this doesn't really happen because doing busy work homework isn't the same thing as learning, and even if it was, learning a ton in college isn't really necessary for most jobs. Yes yes, this is a HUGE over simplification and I'm sure that whatever you learned in college is absolutely critical for your career (substituting your friend/family/whatever in place of 'you' where necessary), but for the kids that go to college to get a job (and not to learn as much as they can), being able to say "I have a degree in..." is more important anyway, where learning what is required for that degree is less so. | ||
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
If the homework counts towards their mark/grade and they're getting someone else to do it, that disgusts me that people are cheating and getting results they don't deserve. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On January 10 2012 00:23 tryummm wrote: By your logic curving by a bell curve or any form of curving at all also provides people with degrees they don't deserve since curving differentiates within a single school, let alone across all Universities in the world. Not really, because the value of your degree depends on where you obtained it. On January 10 2012 06:26 FoeHamr wrote: I am only a senior in high school, but so far everything that I have done is busy work. I wouldn't pay anyone to do my homework, but I don't really learn from it. Last year I took a trig class that I just didn't get at all and got straight D's on my tests, but by getting participation points from homework I pulled out with a C+. Not even remotely relevant to college/university. Completely different. High school is a joke where tests make up less than 50% of your final grade, it's all about busy work. Rarely did I find a lot of busy work in college. Homework was actually useful, and unlike math class in high school which I managed to literally curve over 75% of the tests I took, I needed to study intensively for calc. I didn't even understand the friggin' HW 80% of the time, I relied heavily on the solution manuals for the odd numbered problems... | ||
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Rimstalker
Germany734 Posts
So, go for it, if you want. In the school I went to, there were exactly two papers you had to prepare at home that counted towards your final marks, everything else you had to deliver in exams. The first one was an essay representing about 25 % of your mark in German in Grade 9 or so, the second one was a research paper that accounted for 3 % of your a-Levels mark. | ||
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
On January 10 2012 07:56 Fealthas wrote: This is quite bad. You hire a some man to run your nuclear reactor. He does not know what he is doing because he paid someone else to know what to do for him. So he messes up and the reactor explodes. Of course nothing this dramatic will happen but...people doing things they don't know how to do. Leads to disaster. School = for learning They always have multiple people for that type of activity/job... and double/triple check things... at least with engineering it is... | ||
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templar rage
United States2509 Posts
I mean, if someone wants to do it, that's fine. I'm not going to try to stop them. Either it's effectively harmless because it's for some Gen Ed. requirement that's irrelevant to their chosen field, so they're just as capable at their job as without the help, or they are doing it for core classes and the students suffer the real-world consequences (getting fired/not hired at all due to incompetency, etc). Honestly, if I was hiring someone, I wouldn't really care if he did this for a non-core class. If I'm hiring an engineer, and he can do his job competently, I don't really care if he paid someone to write his Art History final paper. | ||
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pyrogenetix
United Arab Emirates5090 Posts
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pyrogenetix
United Arab Emirates5090 Posts
Here in China there's even a whole system of cheating. Student A writes down the questions and goes to the toilet, leaves the paper in a stall and leaves. Another student B, not from the same class goes and takes the paper and gives it to student C who is the pro and writes out all the answers. Then gives it to student D who types it out on a computer somewhere and mass sends it to the students taking the exam through a program. They get paid per student afterwards. Teachers here get reviewed on the passing percentage of their class so they usually turn a blind eye to cheating. People blatantly checking their phones underneath the tables and stuff. Even if a teacher catches a student looking they will just give them a verbal warning or take away their phones. It's usually the 3rd and 4th years doing 1st and 2nd years exams though, and mostly the dumb subjects no one takes seriously like Marxist philosophy. This shit wouldn't even fly in Hong Kong or Sweden. You would be expelled on the spot. | ||
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Rimstalker
Germany734 Posts
On January 10 2012 07:56 Fealthas wrote: This is quite bad. You hire a some man to run your nuclear reactor. He does not know what he is doing because he paid someone else to know what to do for him. So he messes up and the reactor explodes. Of course nothing this dramatic will happen but...people doing things they don't know how to do. Leads to disaster. School = for learning I have been inside a reactor building on a guided tour. If there is any kind of trouble, the computer takes over for a certain time period (20 minutes?) and the humans pretty much sit there and twiddle their thumbs  | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
Ethics went out the window when they started letting credit companies pay to be on campuses, or when it was decided that it's okay to fill the halls of higher academia with educators who are at best dubious choices for the role. This is just filling the need that is needed, cheating like this will prepare you for the world around you far more then any course on the deep meanings on the writings of a man that half the people who you will call boss couldn't tell you a thing about themselves. You don't actually do anything if you can pay someone else to do it or figure out a way to game the system. If you can cheat and get away with it, do it. You'll often learn more just by the effort put in to not be caught. I don't mean to sound rude and crash about it but let's face it. You can get away with it why wouldn't you do it? That's how the world works, and more then likely you'll get ahead and if it isn't hurting anyone then why not? Ethics are all fun and well but ethics never put food on the table(unless you wrote a paper for someone about ethics..) | ||
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No_Roo
United States905 Posts
On January 10 2012 08:31 nalgene wrote: They always have multiple people for that type of activity/job... and double/triple check things... at least with engineering it is... Yeah, interestingly enough this actually would represent a failing of the organizations technical interviewing skills. Cheating like this devalues formal education by reducing the correlation between educational degrees and working knowledge. Which frankly I'm fine with. When I give some one a technical interview, I'm generally more interested in what they know, and how they handle the things they don't know, than I am with what piece of paper they may or may not have manipulated out of some educational institution. Would be nice to see a less morally ambiguous means to this end though.  | ||
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