On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote: uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis?
It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly.
sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious.
The super abridged version?
Israel and Palestine don't like eachother. Israel used to be small, Palestine used to be big. Now it's the opposite.
1. The law that forced the US to withdraw its UNESCO funding was not because of recognition of palestine, but rather because it grants recognition to the PLO government. The law was written while the PLO was still primarily a terrorist organization during the 1990's.
2. Israel has not always enjoyed full US support. Their early military success was their own. In fact the US has done far more to restrain Israel from destroying enemies that have attacked them than anything else. Israel buys weapons from anyone that sells good stuff, and their military training spares no expense. Remember, it was the US, under Carter, who convinced Israel to give back the Sinai to Egypt. (although it is true that today Israel recieves a very large chunk of FMA from the US).
3. Those maps are horrendously inaccurate and biased. There was no Palestinean state before 1947, it was a British mandate/colony that they had taken from the Ottoman empire after WW1. The British promised the land historically known as Palestine to both the indeginous arabs AND the zionists.
4. Support for Israel in the US today has very little to do with the jewish vote. There are only 6 million jews in the US and many of them are very ambivalent with regards to Israel. However, the christian evangelical community is fanatically devoted to the zionist movement, because it is required to fulfill certain apocalyptic prophecies of the bible as they interpret it.
On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote: uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis?
It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly.
sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious.
The super abridged version?
Israel and Palestine don't like eachother. Israel used to be small, Palestine used to be big. Now it's the opposite.
Check out this picture
Make sense?
holy... how on earth did that even happen and no one raised the issue over the course of decades?
Because... up until 1967, although the land was previously called Palestine (by the othmanians and the British), there were no real Palestinians, or a Palestinian state. The green territory that you see on the second from the left picture, is the territory that was given to the arabs by the UN, and the white to the jews, the jews were happy with what they got, however, the arabs did not, and a day after Israel declared independance, Egypt, Syria, Lebannon and Jordan attacked Israel. And lost. And so, Israel conquered territory from all of them and got to the second from right picture, now, up to this point, there was still no Palestinian pepole or a Palestinian state. In 1967, once again, the arab states planned to attack Israel, however, this time Israel launched a preemptive counterattack, and conquered territory from all of these countries (the lands now known as the gaza strip and the west bank were owned by Egypt and Jordan, respectively), not only that, but Israel also conquered the Sinai peninsula (a territory twice as big as today's Israel), only to give it back to Egypt for a peace agreement. It is pretty much at this point that the "Palestinians" were created as a distinct group, up until than they were just arabs who lived on the territory known as Palestine.
Now, I don't think that the governmant should keep most of the territory conquered, however, we just can't risk having terrorists getting even closer to our cities.
I like how you completely leave out the civil war that preceded the 1948 war. How hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Arabs were driven from their homes etc. I guess as long as you leave out some parts of history and only look at the other parts in an Israeli light then it is possible to have a favorable view of Israeli foreign policy.
That's because they ran after the war have began, and it seemed like Israel was going to win, not beforehand (and most were'nt forcefully removed from their home).
On November 02 2011 01:17 B00ts wrote: I'd just like to point out... The fact that Israel is backed by the US is not the main reason they have won every war they have been a part of. They have the most highly trained armed forces in the world, the second "most deadliest" martial art in the world (second only to shaolin kung-fu), have mandatory military service(is this still true?.. Might not be anymore), and the terrain heavily favors defending it.
In fact that last time Israel was in a major conflict, the western powers had to figuratively beg them not to push into Egypt and Syria and take their capitols. (It actually might not have been the 'last' conflict... But one of the wars with egypt/syria.
In the first war, only miscommunication between the Arab forces prevented them from achieving victory. Later, the US provided cutting edge technology to Israel, which gave it a huge edge over it's enemies. One of the deciding advantages Israel possesses is its airforce, which alone allowed it to win many of its wars.
Technology wins wars. An unrivaled airforce is a huge deterrent. It's very demoralizing to fight against something that attacks out of the nowhere without a chance to retaliate.
Ok, Israel started the war with a larger standing force than all of its enemies combined. Not to mention the alliance had terrible cooperation, and general mistrust between each other.
On November 02 2011 01:46 Brokenlamp wrote: Four things:
1. The law that forced the US to withdraw its UNESCO funding was not because of recognition of palestine, but rather because it grants recognition to the PLO government. The law was written while the PLO was still primarily a terrorist organization during the 1990's.
2. Israel has not always enjoyed full US support. Their early military success was their own. In fact the US has done far more to restrain Israel from destroying enemies that have attacked them than anything else. Israel buys weapons from anyone that sells good stuff, and their military training spares no expense. Remember, it was the US, under Carter, who convinced Israel to give back the Sinai to Egypt. (although it is true that today Israel recieves a very large chunk of FMA from the US).
3. Those maps are horrendously inaccurate and biased. There was no Palestinean state before 1947, it was a British mandate/colony that they had taken from the Ottoman empire after WW1. The British promised the land historically known as Palestine to both the indeginous arabs AND the zionists.
4. Support for Israel in the US today has very little to do with the jewish vote. There are only 6 million jews in the US and many of them are very ambivalent with regards to Israel. However, the christian evangelical community is fanatically devoted to the zionist movement, because it is required to fulfill certain apocalyptic prophecies of the bible as they interpret it.
This.. FTLOG read this. Pretty much everything I have been trying to say.
2. Israel has not always enjoyed full US support. Their early military success was their own. In fact the US has done far more to restrain Israel from destroying enemies that have attacked them than anything else. Israel buys weapons from anyone that sells good stuff, and their military training spares no expense. Remember, it was the US, under Carter, who convinced Israel to give back the Sinai to Egypt. (although it is true that today Israel recieves a very large chunk of FMA from the US).
A factor was that the US didn't want to rile up the Soviets, since the USSR was involved in the middle east as well.
4. Support for Israel in the US today has very little to do with the jewish vote. There are only 6 million jews in the US and many of them are very ambivalent with regards to Israel. However, the christian evangelical community is fanatically devoted to the zionist movement, because it is required to fulfill certain apocalyptic prophecies of the bible as they interpret it.
On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote: uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis?
It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly.
sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious.
The super abridged version?
Israel and Palestine don't like eachother. Israel used to be small, Palestine used to be big. Now it's the opposite.
Check out this picture
Make sense?
This is essentially what happened over the past 70 years. Israel has accepted every single peace treaty presented and the palestinians have denied every single peace treaty presented, even the one giving the palestinians 95% of the land. The reason why palestine doesn't have a state is because they refuse to make one.
edit: and more on topic, the law came from one written back in 1990 if I remember correctly, so it's not like this is a surprise. I think the US should leave the UN and stop funding them anyways.
On November 02 2011 01:17 B00ts wrote: I'd just like to point out... The fact that Israel is backed by the US is not the main reason they have won every war they have been a part of. They have the most highly trained armed forces in the world, the second "most deadliest" martial art in the world (second only to shaolin kung-fu), have mandatory military service(is this still true?.. Might not be anymore), and the terrain heavily favors defending it.
In fact that last time Israel was in a major conflict, the western powers had to figuratively beg them not to push into Egypt and Syria and take their capitols. (It actually might not have been the 'last' conflict... But one of the wars with egypt/syria.
In the first war, only miscommunication between the Arab forces prevented them from achieving victory. Later, the US provided cutting edge technology to Israel, which gave it a huge edge over it's enemies. One of the deciding advantages Israel possesses is its airforce, which alone allowed it to win many of its wars.
Technology wins wars. An unrivaled airforce is a huge deterrent. It's very demoralizing to fight against something that attacks out of the nowhere without a chance to retaliate.
Ok, Israel started the war with a larger standing force than all of its enemies combined. Not to mention the alliance had terrible cooperation, and general mistrust between each other.
Israel didn't start the war, they were the ones who were attacked, not the agressors.
On November 02 2011 01:06 Nash wrote: Yay another anti-semitic thread on TL. Let the jew-bashing proceed!
Dont be childish. No one is bashing Jews, people are just discussing what happened (Both in the last weeks and last century)
This.
Also, the US policies baffle me sometimes (a lot if I'm honest)
On November 02 2011 01:11 RageBot wrote: Now, I don't think that the governmant should keep most of the territory conquered, however, we just can't risk having terrorists getting even closer to our cities.
Catch-22 isn't it? Would the "terrorists" exist if they didn't perceive Israel to be stealing their land? Its a touchy and emotive subject. In South Africa years ago, the ANC were considered terrorists even though they were fighting for their rights as oppressed people. What makes what the Palestinians are doing different? One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. I don't say this out of any disrespect to people who have had losses of those near and dear to them, merely to point out the other side of the story.
Yes, they will exist. Or do you think that every other terrorist attack in history was because of Israel? Or things like what happened in Denmark/France after that cartoonist drew Mohammad?
They are not Freedom Fighters, they run from the military and aim solely for citizen targets, they are the exact opposits of Freedom Fighters. Not to mention that most of the money that Hamas gets for it's citizens is spent on military weapons and ammunition.
You're suggesting that terrorists will exist when they have no motivation? Your post is nonsensical.
So you're taking issue with the fact that Hamas, which exists in a state constantly being bitten into by a foreign country, which has the support of (arguably) the most powerful nation on earth (the US), spends money on it's military? How could they (sarcastic face)?
Oh yes, they are run by that well known Palestinian army, with it's great funding and co-ordination. If they aren't Freedom Fighters in their own eyes, then what does that make the Israelis when they drive tanks into Gaza?
EDIT: What people really seem to fail to see here is that it is essentially the fault of British colonialism and the belief that we had any right to decide to whom Israel belonged.
I see complex and engaging discussions of incredibly difficult topics on TL all the time. But as soon as anything questioning Israel is brought up everyone is antisemite jew bashing nazi just for discussing the possibility that anything which is pro-palestine or anti-israel could be a good thing.
Israel and the policies of the US are not always right. Trying to deny a country access to the WHO is a fucking shameful thing to do. I dont know how anyone who would support such a policy could live with themselves and quite frankly I dont know how any government could pass such legislation. It is evil, pure and simple.
How many other nations are going to suffer because of this tantrum by the US? "Cutting all US funding" and "20% of total funding" dont seem to connect with alot of you. The US is condemning people which have nothing to do with the Israel/Palestine conflict just to make a petty point. Its fucking shameful.
On November 02 2011 01:17 B00ts wrote: I'd just like to point out... The fact that Israel is backed by the US is not the main reason they have won every war they have been a part of. They have the most highly trained armed forces in the world, the second "most deadliest" martial art in the world (second only to shaolin kung-fu), have mandatory military service(is this still true?.. Might not be anymore), and the terrain heavily favors defending it.
In fact that last time Israel was in a major conflict, the western powers had to figuratively beg them not to push into Egypt and Syria and take their capitols. (It actually might not have been the 'last' conflict... But one of the wars with egypt/syria.
In the first war, only miscommunication between the Arab forces prevented them from achieving victory. Later, the US provided cutting edge technology to Israel, which gave it a huge edge over it's enemies. One of the deciding advantages Israel possesses is its airforce, which alone allowed it to win many of its wars.
Technology wins wars. An unrivaled airforce is a huge deterrent. It's very demoralizing to fight against something that attacks out of the nowhere without a chance to retaliate.
Ok, Israel started the war with a larger standing force than all of its enemies combined. Not to mention the alliance had terrible cooperation, and general mistrust between each other.
Israel didn't start the war, they were the ones who were attacked, not the agressors.
Replace the word started with began and you would have read his post as he intended it . He ment that at the start of the conflict they etc etc.
On November 02 2011 01:17 B00ts wrote: I'd just like to point out... The fact that Israel is backed by the US is not the main reason they have won every war they have been a part of. They have the most highly trained armed forces in the world, the second "most deadliest" martial art in the world (second only to shaolin kung-fu), have mandatory military service(is this still true?.. Might not be anymore), and the terrain heavily favors defending it.
In fact that last time Israel was in a major conflict, the western powers had to figuratively beg them not to push into Egypt and Syria and take their capitols. (It actually might not have been the 'last' conflict... But one of the wars with egypt/syria.
And the fact that their entire military is backed by the US and all their funding is from the US and all their military development is funded by the US so yeah they only won because they're backed by the US. Nor do they have the most highly trained in the world by any measure, though this depends on what you mean.
On November 02 2011 01:32 RageBot wrote:
On November 02 2011 01:11 Deja Thoris wrote:
On November 02 2011 01:07 KasdaTheEmperor wrote:
On November 02 2011 01:06 Nash wrote: Yay another anti-semitic thread on TL. Let the jew-bashing proceed!
Dont be childish. No one is bashing Jews, people are just discussing what happened (Both in the last weeks and last century)
This.
Also, the US policies baffle me sometimes (a lot if I'm honest)
On November 02 2011 01:11 RageBot wrote: Now, I don't think that the governmant should keep most of the territory conquered, however, we just can't risk having terrorists getting even closer to our cities.
Catch-22 isn't it? Would the "terrorists" exist if they didn't perceive Israel to be stealing their land? Its a touchy and emotive subject. In South Africa years ago, the ANC were considered terrorists even though they were fighting for their rights as oppressed people. What makes what the Palestinians are doing different? One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. I don't say this out of any disrespect to people who have had losses of those near and dear to them, merely to point out the other side of the story.
Yes, they will exist. Or do you think that every other terrorist attack in history was because of Israel? Or things like what happened in Denmark/France after that cartoonist drew Mohammad?
They are not Freedom Fighters, they run from the military and aim solely for citizen targets, they are the exact opposits of Freedom Fighters. Not to mention that most of the money that Hamas gets for it's citizens is spent on military weapons and ammunition.
Stop bending reality, Israel zionists were the first to use suicide bombers against the british when they ruled palestine. There is no "good" and "evil" side here.
No, it wasn't "Israel Zionists", it was "The Irgun", and they weren't "suicide bombers", they were just "terrorists", and, unlike terrorists among the Palestinians, they were hunted by the majority of the Jewish forces before Israel existed, and were outlawed and dismantled by the IDF. Now, the way Hamas and the Palestinians treat their Terrorists is completely different, did you see the parties thay had after Israel released their captives? Terrorists who killed old men, women and little children? Men who only fight for Allah to be Shahids, and don't care about their pepole? TV shows in which they teach children to kill Jews?
Are you aware that one of the reasons there are so many Palestinian casualties during war is because Hamas uses them as meat shields?
I also didn't "bend reality", what I said is 100% true.
What about the other side of the coin? For every Israeli casualties there are hundreds of palestinian ones. It is easy to cover your eyes and not accept the truth. I can link you a lot of videos and documentaries showing the humiliation Palestinians face everyday. I am not for the things Palestinians teach their children, but we get to the same point again: while someone looks at the recent conflict I am sure that Palestine didn't forget what happened to it in the last 60 years.
Your writing has a lot of hate in it and that is never good.
On November 02 2011 01:35 andycz wrote: lol antisemitists. you guys are cute, especially the fact that you don't know shit about the situation.
Please remind me to convert to judaism, next time I go rob a bank if the police tries to arrest me I'll just yell at them that they are antisemists and get away free.
On November 02 2011 01:06 Nash wrote: Yay another anti-semitic thread on TL. Let the jew-bashing proceed!
Dont be childish. No one is bashing Jews, people are just discussing what happened (Both in the last weeks and last century)
This.
Also, the US policies baffle me sometimes (a lot if I'm honest)
On November 02 2011 01:11 RageBot wrote: Now, I don't think that the governmant should keep most of the territory conquered, however, we just can't risk having terrorists getting even closer to our cities.
Catch-22 isn't it? Would the "terrorists" exist if they didn't perceive Israel to be stealing their land? Its a touchy and emotive subject. In South Africa years ago, the ANC were considered terrorists even though they were fighting for their rights as oppressed people. What makes what the Palestinians are doing different? One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. I don't say this out of any disrespect to people who have had losses of those near and dear to them, merely to point out the other side of the story.
Yes, they will exist. Or do you think that every other terrorist attack in history was because of Israel? Or things like what happened in Denmark/France after that cartoonist drew Mohammad?
They are not Freedom Fighters, they run from the military and aim solely for citizen targets, they are the exact opposits of Freedom Fighters. Not to mention that most of the money that Hamas gets for it's citizens is spent on military weapons and ammunition.
You're suggesting that terrorists will exist when they have no motivation? Your post is nonsensical.
So you're taking issue with the fact that Hamas, which exists in a state constantly being bitten into by a foreign country, which has the support of (arguably) the most powerful nation on earth (the US), spends money on it's military? How could they (sarcastic face)?
Oh yes, they are run by that well known Palestinian army, with it's great funding and co-ordination. If they aren't Freedom Fighters in their own eyes, then what does that make the Israelis when they drive tanks into Gaza?
No motivation? Killing Jews and destroying Israel is enough motivation for the fundementalist muslims. And, once again, Israel only attacks Gaza when there are attacks coming out of it, if there was any time in history when Israel attacked the Gaza strip without provocation from the Hamas, i'd like you to show it to me. You can also see the west bank, and realize that there's a reason there are no tanks attacking there.
On November 02 2011 01:17 B00ts wrote: I'd just like to point out... The fact that Israel is backed by the US is not the main reason they have won every war they have been a part of. They have the most highly trained armed forces in the world, the second "most deadliest" martial art in the world (second only to shaolin kung-fu), have mandatory military service(is this still true?.. Might not be anymore), and the terrain heavily favors defending it.
In fact that last time Israel was in a major conflict, the western powers had to figuratively beg them not to push into Egypt and Syria and take their capitols. (It actually might not have been the 'last' conflict... But one of the wars with egypt/syria.
In the first war, only miscommunication between the Arab forces prevented them from achieving victory. Later, the US provided cutting edge technology to Israel, which gave it a huge edge over it's enemies. One of the deciding advantages Israel possesses is its airforce, which alone allowed it to win many of its wars.
Technology wins wars. An unrivaled airforce is a huge deterrent. It's very demoralizing to fight against something that attacks out of the nowhere without a chance to retaliate.
Ok, Israel started the war with a larger standing force than all of its enemies combined. Not to mention the alliance had terrible cooperation, and general mistrust between each other.
Uh, what?... So Israel, which was freshly a new state, had a larger standing force than Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq combined... And that those countries combined had less than 28,000 troops?.... Do you want to double check that?
On November 02 2011 01:35 andycz wrote: lol antisemitists. you guys are cute, especially the fact that you don't know shit about the situation.
Please remind me to convert to judaism, next time I go rob a bank if the police tries to arrest me I'll just yell at them that they are antisemists and get away free.
How about the idea that we accept Israel and Judaism are separate things?
To dislike one is not to dislike the other. It would be like hating the USA because you hated Christianity.
On November 02 2011 01:17 B00ts wrote: I'd just like to point out... The fact that Israel is backed by the US is not the main reason they have won every war they have been a part of. They have the most highly trained armed forces in the world, the second "most deadliest" martial art in the world (second only to shaolin kung-fu), have mandatory military service(is this still true?.. Might not be anymore), and the terrain heavily favors defending it.
In fact that last time Israel was in a major conflict, the western powers had to figuratively beg them not to push into Egypt and Syria and take their capitols. (It actually might not have been the 'last' conflict... But one of the wars with egypt/syria.
In the first war, only miscommunication between the Arab forces prevented them from achieving victory. Later, the US provided cutting edge technology to Israel, which gave it a huge edge over it's enemies. One of the deciding advantages Israel possesses is its airforce, which alone allowed it to win many of its wars.
Technology wins wars. An unrivaled airforce is a huge deterrent. It's very demoralizing to fight against something that attacks out of the nowhere without a chance to retaliate.
Ok, Israel started the war with a larger standing force than all of its enemies combined. Not to mention the alliance had terrible cooperation, and general mistrust between each other.
Israel didn't start the war, they were the ones who were attacked, not the agressors.
Replace the word started with began and you would have read his post as he intended it . He ment that at the start of the conflict they etc etc.
What he said was still nonsense... The Iraqi army alone had over 21,000 men in 1948, only 6000 short of Israel, and thats not counting Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan..... He's just making stuff up as he goes and contributing nothing.
On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote: uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis?
It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly.
sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious.
Israel has quite the lobby power in the US. As a result, the US administration is generally pro-Israel. The US stood behind Israel pretty much from its inception. There's a reason why the neighboring Arab states have been unable to destroy Israel.
because Israel would have destroyed them all? and took MORE of their lands? like the Golan?
so, are you also implying that the reason for this specific law is because of the Israel lobby power? LOL wow I haven't read a post full of crap like that for years...
On November 02 2011 01:17 B00ts wrote: I'd just like to point out... The fact that Israel is backed by the US is not the main reason they have won every war they have been a part of. They have the most highly trained armed forces in the world, the second "most deadliest" martial art in the world (second only to shaolin kung-fu), have mandatory military service(is this still true?.. Might not be anymore), and the terrain heavily favors defending it.
In fact that last time Israel was in a major conflict, the western powers had to figuratively beg them not to push into Egypt and Syria and take their capitols. (It actually might not have been the 'last' conflict... But one of the wars with egypt/syria.
And the fact that their entire military is backed by the US and all their funding is from the US and all their military development is funded by the US so yeah they only won because they're backed by the US. Nor do they have the most highly trained in the world by any measure, though this depends on what you mean.
On November 02 2011 01:32 RageBot wrote:
On November 02 2011 01:11 Deja Thoris wrote:
On November 02 2011 01:07 KasdaTheEmperor wrote:
On November 02 2011 01:06 Nash wrote: Yay another anti-semitic thread on TL. Let the jew-bashing proceed!
Dont be childish. No one is bashing Jews, people are just discussing what happened (Both in the last weeks and last century)
This.
Also, the US policies baffle me sometimes (a lot if I'm honest)
On November 02 2011 01:11 RageBot wrote: Now, I don't think that the governmant should keep most of the territory conquered, however, we just can't risk having terrorists getting even closer to our cities.
Catch-22 isn't it? Would the "terrorists" exist if they didn't perceive Israel to be stealing their land? Its a touchy and emotive subject. In South Africa years ago, the ANC were considered terrorists even though they were fighting for their rights as oppressed people. What makes what the Palestinians are doing different? One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. I don't say this out of any disrespect to people who have had losses of those near and dear to them, merely to point out the other side of the story.
Yes, they will exist. Or do you think that every other terrorist attack in history was because of Israel? Or things like what happened in Denmark/France after that cartoonist drew Mohammad?
They are not Freedom Fighters, they run from the military and aim solely for citizen targets, they are the exact opposits of Freedom Fighters. Not to mention that most of the money that Hamas gets for it's citizens is spent on military weapons and ammunition.
Stop bending reality, Israel zionists were the first to use suicide bombers against the british when they ruled palestine. There is no "good" and "evil" side here.
No, it wasn't "Israel Zionists", it was "The Irgun", and they weren't "suicide bombers", they were just "terrorists", and, unlike terrorists among the Palestinians, they were hunted by the majority of the Jewish forces before Israel existed, and were outlawed and dismantled by the IDF. Now, the way Hamas and the Palestinians treat their Terrorists is completely different, did you see the parties thay had after Israel released their captives? Terrorists who killed old men, women and little children? Men who only fight for Allah to be Shahids, and don't care about their pepole? TV shows in which they teach children to kill Jews?
I also didn't "bend reality", what I said is 100% true.
Great post there really, quoting 3 fundamentalist videos and saying "Look we're not like that!" is a great fallacy argument. I can look up as many videos as you want where jewish politicians, rabbins and scholars calling for the death of all arabs, how a thousand arab children are not worth the blood of 1 jewish boy etc etc. and articles of jewish soldiers testifying that their captains gave orders of execution on civilians including children.
Please either stay with facts and stop doing the whole "palestinians are worse!", nobody cares for that argument anymore, they're a broken people imprisoned by Israel. Why blames a wounded wolf in captivity for trying it's best?
On topic: The world obviously doesn't dislike Palestine more than it dislikes Israels blatant disregard of international law, and as they constantly proclaim themselves to be less worse than the Palestinies then shouldn't they be showing the way? Instead they keep doing what they're doing, the amount of Palestinians killed in ratio to israels is still over 100:1 and the world is getting fed up.
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