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I don't think a thread exists for this topic yet, seeing as the previous Palestinian UN bid thread was closed.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-20128358/u.s-cuts-unesco-funding-after-palestinian-vote/
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2011/1101/After-UNESCO-Palestine-vote-could-US-defund-nuclear-watchdog-IAEA-too
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/with-unesco-membership-granted-palestinians-seek-to-join-16-more-un-agencies-1.393134
So yesterday, Palestine was accepted almost unilaterally (107-14) in UNESCO (United Nations Educational, Scientific, Cultural Organization). Shortly after, the US pulled their funding from the organization, which amounts to ~$80 million annually, or 20% of the entire UNESCO funding. This comes because of a 1994 law that requires the US to cut financial ties with any UN organization that recognizes Palestine. As the article states, Palestine's acceptance into the UNESCO means it can easily enter the WIPO (World IP Organization), WHO (World Health Organization), IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency), and other UN organizations. This is a pretty big boost of confidence for Palestine.
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I feel this could be tough for the US administration since the WIPO is important to protecting the IP rights of international US businesses. The US losing influence with the IAEA could also impact Iran's nuclear program. Also, it's quite ridiculous how much influence the US could have on supposedly global organizations.
I also lol at how the Harper is pretty much the faithful dog of the US, following it's every motion.
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konadora
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uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis?
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On November 02 2011 00:43 buhhy wrote:
I feel this could be tough for the US administration since the WIPO is important to protecting the IP rights of international US businesses. The US losing influence with the IAEA could also impact Iran's nuclear program. Also, it's quite ridiculous how much influence the US could have on supposedly global organizations.
I also lol at how Canada is pretty much the faithful dog of the US, following it's every motion.
Do you mind adding the words "Government of" before Canada? Because I don't follow shit.
Edit: Thank you for changing that.
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On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote:
uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis?
Being in bed with Israel.
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good step in the right direction. questionable by the US tho :§
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On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote:
uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis?
It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly.
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on the basis that the US has been pro Israel since forever
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Well this isn't surprising, as appealing to the Jewish community earns American politicians an insane amount of votes and funding while being fair to Palestine earns nothing for elections.
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
On November 02 2011 00:46 SirMilford wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote:
uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis? It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly.
sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious.
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^US is closely allied with Israel. Israel hates Palestine since they want their land. therefore US can't show "sympathy" towards Palestine.
On November 02 2011 00:47 Kupon3ss wrote:
Well this isn't surprising, as appealing to the Jewish community earns American politicians an insane amount of votes and funding while being fair to Palestine earns nothing for elections.
hoooray for democracy. what a shame. i'm glad the unesco had what it takes to accept a 20% loss of income for what is the right thing to do.
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On November 02 2011 00:47 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 00:46 SirMilford wrote:On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote:
uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis? It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly. sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious.
Israel has quite the lobby power in the US. As a result, the US administration is generally pro-Israel. The US stood behind Israel pretty much from its inception. There's a reason why the neighboring Arab states have been unable to destroy Israel.
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On November 02 2011 00:49 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 00:47 Kupon3ss wrote:
Well this isn't surprising, as appealing to the Jewish community earns American politicians an insane amount of votes and funding while being fair to Palestine earns nothing for elections. hoooray for democracy. what a shame. i'm glad the unesco had what it takes to accept a 20% loss of income for what is the right thing to do.
yeah. evry step that could help palestine is good. that the US react that way is kinda expected but insanely stupid.
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On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote:
uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country?
One drawn up by AIPAC.
As for Palestine and the UN/UNESCO, it's definitely a moral victory but does very little in terms of resolving anything. Should they have done it? Hell yeah, it's free PR for the Palestinian government and now the US looks like the bad guy.
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konadora
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On November 02 2011 00:50 buhhy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 00:47 konadora wrote:On November 02 2011 00:46 SirMilford wrote:On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote:
uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis? It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly. sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious. Israel has quite the lobby power in the US. As a result, the US administration is generally pro-Israel. The US stood behind Israel pretty much from its inception. There's a reason why the neighboring Arab states have been unable to destroy Israel.
On November 02 2011 00:49 Nizaris wrote:^US is closely allied with Israel. Israel hates Palestine since they want their land. therefore US can't show "sympathy" towards Palestine. Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 00:47 Kupon3ss wrote:
Well this isn't surprising, as appealing to the Jewish community earns American politicians an insane amount of votes and funding while being fair to Palestine earns nothing for elections. hoooray for democracy. what a shame. i'm glad the unesco had what it takes to accept a 20% loss of income for what is the right thing to do.
thanks for the replies. i think i saw it in a documentary film that lots of jews run the major banks and corporations in the US? is that why this is happening?
bringing such issues in the face of human rights.... such a shame.
thanks for the responses!
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On November 02 2011 00:47 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 00:46 SirMilford wrote:On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote:
uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis? It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly. sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious.
The super abridged version?
Israel and Palestine don't like eachother. Israel used to be small, Palestine used to be big. Now it's the opposite.
Check out this picture
![[image loading]](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pEfVJ93Cwa8/TDjQIyH5mGI/AAAAAAAAGmk/EA9TbmokMRE/s1600/israel-palestine-map.jpg)
Make sense?
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On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote:
uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis?
A lot of rich and powerful jews I guess. (I hope it doesn't sound like I'm a racist, but I think this is the case, I read about it a few years ago)
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On Tuesday, Ibrahim Khraishi, the top Palestinian envoy at the U.N. in Geneva, told The Associated Press that Palestinian diplomats are now planning to capitalize on Monday's landslide vote by preparing papers to join the other U.N. agencies and a variety of other international organizations.
I'm very curious to see how this turns out for the UN. Yes, the US is just one country but how many organizations will have funding cuts because of this? It will be very sad to see the US-UN funding reduced over this. I hope a resolution can be found that leaves both sides satisfied.
Please leave the country bashing at the door.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
On November 02 2011 00:54 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 00:50 buhhy wrote:On November 02 2011 00:47 konadora wrote:On November 02 2011 00:46 SirMilford wrote:On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote:
uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis? It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly. sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious. Israel has quite the lobby power in the US. As a result, the US administration is generally pro-Israel. The US stood behind Israel pretty much from its inception. There's a reason why the neighboring Arab states have been unable to destroy Israel. Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 00:49 Nizaris wrote:^US is closely allied with Israel. Israel hates Palestine since they want their land. therefore US can't show "sympathy" towards Palestine. On November 02 2011 00:47 Kupon3ss wrote:
Well this isn't surprising, as appealing to the Jewish community earns American politicians an insane amount of votes and funding while being fair to Palestine earns nothing for elections. hoooray for democracy. what a shame. i'm glad the unesco had what it takes to accept a 20% loss of income for what is the right thing to do. thanks for the replies. i think i saw it in a documentary film that lots of jews run the major banks and corporations in the US? is that why this is happening? bringing such issues in the face of human rights.... such a shame. thanks for the responses!
While the total population of jews residing in America is not that significant, they do have a representation in the so called key-states(these are states not automatically democratic or republican) so having them on your side can mean the difference between winning key states or losing them.
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konadora
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On November 02 2011 00:54 HackBenjamin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 00:47 konadora wrote:On November 02 2011 00:46 SirMilford wrote:On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote:
uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis? It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly. sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious. The super abridged version? Israel and Palestine don't like eachother. Israel used to be small, Palestine used to be big. Now it's the opposite. Check out this picture Make sense?
holy... how on earth did that even happen and no one raised the issue over the course of decades?
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And more messing around with alliances. 2012 is coming my friends... Greece, Palestine, USA meh... scaryyyy
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