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On November 02 2011 03:37 bonse wrote:Show nested quote +![[image loading]](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pEfVJ93Cwa8/TDjQIyH5mGI/AAAAAAAAGmk/EA9TbmokMRE/s1600/israel-palestine-map.jpg) holy... how on earth did that even happen and no one raised the issue over the course of decades? Well, very easy. It never happened! This series of "maps" is just distorted history. There never was in history a Palestinian state, big or small. Before WW1 the territory was held by the Turks. Since WW1 until 1948 the territory (including the East Bank of the Jordan) was held by the British with the mandate to create a national home for the Jewish people. From 1948 until 1967, Gaza was held by Egypt and the West Bank (of the river Jordan) was held by Jordan (the country). The only time when Palestine started to hold territories was after the Oslo accords, when Israel and the Palestinians agreed to establish in time a Palestinian state but only through bilateral negotiations. It was specifically agreed that no side would take unilateral actions (such as annexation by Israel or seeking independence by the Palestinians). This clause the Palestinians are breaking now by forcing recognition by the UN while refusing to negotiate, and because of this US and Israel are upset. A more accurate series of maps: ![[image loading]](https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-mPOHVS4Frjw/TXev_pw0pBI/AAAAAAAAD4I/T2nWfRAv2dA/s1600/Israeli+land+concessions.jpg) You see, it's Israel who is getting smaller and smaller. To put things in perspective, Israel and its enemies: ![[image loading]](http://www.mefacts.com/cache/html/religion/11177_files/Arab-Countries.gif) See also a more detailed explanation of the maps.
I will just comment on your sayings about a Palestinian state. There is no use responding to the rest of the nonsense.
To be frank, from Morocco to Afghanistan there was a Caliphate, or the Islamic Empire. Later some parts of it were occupied by the Turks. There weren't any major divisions and the whole area of Palestine, Israel, Syria, Lebanon was called Sham. The divisions were made by the Europeans when they colonized the land and divided it. The majority of Sham was under the English so there was no need to divide that too into Palestine, ecc... The people claiming to be Syrians, Lebanese, and so on are all Arabs. Some of them are Arab Muslims, some Arab Christians, some Arab Jews,....
My point is that the history of the state of Syria for example started during the colonization, same things with Palestine and the majority of other Arab states. You can't trace their history way back like for example the French one. Before being Syrians, Palestinians and so on they were Arabs (the majority not all of them), so its only natural not to have a Palestinian state in history.
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On November 02 2011 03:37 bonse wrote:Show nested quote +holy... how on earth did that even happen and no one raised the issue over the course of decades? Well, very easy. It never happened! This series of "maps" is just distorted history. There never was in history a Palestinian state, big or small. Before WW1 the territory was held by the Turks. Since WW1 until 1948 the territory (including the East Bank of the Jordan) was held by the British with the mandate to create a national home for the Jewish people. From 1948 until 1967, Gaza was held by Egypt and the West Bank (of the river Jordan) was held by Jordan (the country). The only time when Palestine started to hold territories was after the Oslo accords, when Israel and the Palestinians agreed to establish in time a Palestinian state but only through bilateral negotiations. It was specifically agreed that no side would take unilateral actions (such as annexation by Israel or seeking independence by the Palestinians). This clause the Palestinians are breaking now by forcing recognition by the UN while refusing to negotiate, and because of this US and Israel are upset. ]
Stop spreading lies. It's not like Israel have been been supporting the 1967 border solution since then. They have continued taking land and building walls on the west bank since then and are still doing so. The 1967 border solution you speak of that was agreed on in Oslo like you say, is supported by the whole world including the Arab league and the Palestinians. The Israeli are the ones who are not keeping up their end of the deal and don't agree to negotiate on equal terms.
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On November 02 2011 03:47 Muki wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 03:37 bonse wrote:holy... how on earth did that even happen and no one raised the issue over the course of decades? Well, very easy. It never happened! This series of "maps" is just distorted history. There never was in history a Palestinian state, big or small. Before WW1 the territory was held by the Turks. Since WW1 until 1948 the territory (including the East Bank of the Jordan) was held by the British with the mandate to create a national home for the Jewish people. From 1948 until 1967, Gaza was held by Egypt and the West Bank (of the river Jordan) was held by Jordan (the country). The only time when Palestine started to hold territories was after the Oslo accords, when Israel and the Palestinians agreed to establish in time a Palestinian state but only through bilateral negotiations. It was specifically agreed that no side would take unilateral actions (such as annexation by Israel or seeking independence by the Palestinians). This clause the Palestinians are breaking now by forcing recognition by the UN while refusing to negotiate, and because of this US and Israel are upset. A more accurate series of maps: You see, it's Israel who is getting smaller and smaller. To put things in perspective, Israel and its enemies: See also a more detailed explanation of the maps. Pre 1948 maps missing? Where's the legitimacy in holding those lands against the will of it's natives? Also, you can't victimise Israel just because it has so many hostile states surrounding it, because many Gulf states have stayed out of the conflict for a long time now, and Israel has the US to balance any oil money poured into the Palestinian case anyway.
'Legitimacy' isn't based in 'who was there first', most nations have had massive shifts in their ethinic makeup. 'Natives' is a very difficult term to apply, especially in a territory as contested as that.
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On November 02 2011 03:43 Niall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 03:06 SupLilSon wrote:On November 02 2011 02:58 Krehlmar wrote:On November 02 2011 02:52 SupLilSon wrote:On November 02 2011 00:47 Kupon3ss wrote:
Well this isn't surprising, as appealing to the Jewish community earns American politicians an insane amount of votes and funding while being fair to Palestine earns nothing for elections. What people who aren't Jewish don't realize is that the US and Israel represent pretty much the only two countries where Jews can live without being faced with severe persecution. The amount of media bias against Israel is insane. There used to be large Jewish populations in Europe and Arab nations until they were all forced out (Holocaust anyone?...) Look at the history and you will see who kicked who out.... Ok I am sorry if a moderator feels I am to hard here, but this must be the most retarded post I've ever read in a derailing of a topic. Media bias means there has to be an injustice, problem is we have empiric kognitive PROOF of Israel breaking INTERNATIONAL LAW on a DAILY BASIS. There is no injustice of showing this from the media. What the heck are you talking about persecution? It's worse being a muslim than it is to be a jew in europa, in asia hardly anybody cares. There were never "large" jewish populations since they've never even represented a 1% of the worlds population, not even a 0.1% (google if you don't believe me). Nor did the holocaust drive jews from the arab nations or half of europa... Agh I just can't understand how you can speak about 60 year old happenings as if they should somehow effect the current day situation or how we view justice and law?
The world is never this black and white people, please stop arguing in ultimatums. On November 02 2011 02:56 Mayd wrote:
The land belongs to Israel. Has always belonged.
"GOD" IS NOT A REALESTATE MERCHANT.
Your faith can not outweigh my reality. Also I'd like a moderator to check IP:s on some of these accounts, 5-20 post-accounts from different countries defending Israel out of the blue with a perspective heavily tilted towards pro-israel smells fishy. Honestly, I don't know how to respond to this... as far as I can tell you are just simply ignoring historical fact. There used to be relatively large and healthy populations of Jews in Europe and the Middle East. Now Jews have been forced into living almost exclusively either in the US or Israel. I have to go to class now but when I'm out I will provide numbers to back this up. ^ The above post is correct. Of the top ten countries by Jewish population in 1990, 7 were in Europe. In 2005, only 5 are, with a huge swing towards the United States, which currently boasts the largest Jewish population in the world. Source + Show Spoiler +
Your link doesn't prove anything. Everyone in this topic is aware that WWII happened.
People were commenting on modern day Europe.
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Have to say I'm glad. I'm tired of US tax dollars going to fund things that do nothing for us and yet the countries we help with these dollars are constantly bagging on the US as some great evil country that is out to harm them. Its like giving money to a bum on the street and before your even half a block away he is yelling about how your evil corrupt and the cause of all his woes.
Palestine has never been a nation, they have however been a consistent harboring spot for global terrorists, not just anti-israel but global terrorism. Their stance is not one of peace but the complete destruction down to the women and children of their neighbors. I don't care who your neighbors are, thats a psychotic political stance that deserves nothing but contempt. I for one am not keen on helping fund any organization that says they need to protect a non-nation that actively and viciously attacks other countries citizens who are neither soldiers nor combatants. Call it a crazy notion or some pro-israel perspective if you want but this has nothing to do with politics regarding the jewish state for me.
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On November 02 2011 03:43 Kipperslol wrote:
It was a stupid vote to begin with, since it only served as a backdoor to postponing the peace negotiations. And thats why the timing was stupid seeing as the peace negotiations will now be forgotten, even though its the thing that matters the most. It also politicizes UNESCO which is bad and will stop it from working as intended.
You do realize that (1) the UN is a political body, (2) the US owns the UN, and (3) the rest of the world is not happy about (2)?
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On November 02 2011 03:53 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 03:50 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
How about we go back to Germany, carve up a land equal to the size of Isreal at their desired time in history, and give it to them? That would be pretty fucking logical seeing as how they are the prime movers of this. Zionism date way BEFORE WWII. There is a reasons they came in Palestine, that's where they wanted to be. Note that Hitler used zionism as a proof to hate jews. So it has nothing to do with WWII, WWII was more or less the thing that justified zionism.
Yes, Zionism is indeed an old concept. In fact, Jewish mythology states their patron god Yahweh gave them that land, so it's been a Jewish belief since at least the formalization (and monotheistication?) of Judaism ~2500 years ago. Most Jews are not descended from anywhere in the Mideast, which makes the myth even more ridiculous.
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On November 02 2011 00:57 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 00:54 HackBenjamin wrote:On November 02 2011 00:47 konadora wrote:On November 02 2011 00:46 SirMilford wrote:On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote:
uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis? It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly. sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious. The super abridged version? Israel and Palestine don't like eachother. Israel used to be small, Palestine used to be big. Now it's the opposite. Check out this picture Make sense? holy... how on earth did that even happen and no one raised the issue over the course of decades?
They did. Repeatedly to this day. Mainstream media tends to ignore it though
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Just drop it guys.
You need to be an insider to get to know things in our age. Just imagine what would happen if all major networks over the world decide (for some reason) to co-ordinate on false information. Would you know the truth? Ofc no.(um,that's about what happened between palestine and israel, shit has being spinned so many times we can't be sure of anything)
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On November 02 2011 03:56 Synwave wrote:
Have to say I'm glad. I'm tired of US tax dollars going to fund things that do nothing for us and yet the countries we help with these dollars are constantly bagging on the US as some great evil country that is out to harm them. Its like giving money to a bum on the street and before your even half a block away he is yelling about how your evil corrupt and the cause of all his woes.
Palestine has never been a nation, they have however been a consistent harboring spot for global terrorists, not just anti-israel but global terrorism. Their stance is not one of peace but the complete destruction down to the women and children of their neighbors. I don't care who your neighbors are, thats a psychotic political stance that deserves nothing but contempt. I for one am not keen on helping fund any organization that says they need to protect a non-nation that actively and viciously attacks other countries citizens who are neither soldiers nor combatants. Call it a crazy notion or some pro-israel perspective if you want but this has nothing to do with politics regarding the jewish state for me.
That is a very hateful statement about a people you do not know or understand. Your statement is equally hateful as your caricature of them. There is a world called reality that apparently 110 member nations of the UN are in touch with. Maybe they're all just belligerent psychotic sympathizers that deserve nothing but contempt.
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As I said before; Israel and pro-Israeli people should stop putting their head in the sand shouting "antisemitic!" toward everything proving their idea of the world wrong.
There is a reason less and less people support Israel and why when our parents die off, our generation will not care about WWII traumas and just see reality for what it is. You're all digging your own grave; The only true pro israeli must be against how israel acts today or they will have no future.
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This is ridiculous : / RECOGNIZE PALESTINE!
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On November 02 2011 03:47 Muki wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 03:37 bonse wrote:holy... how on earth did that even happen and no one raised the issue over the course of decades? Well, very easy. It never happened! This series of "maps" is just distorted history. There never was in history a Palestinian state, big or small. Before WW1 the territory was held by the Turks. Since WW1 until 1948 the territory (including the East Bank of the Jordan) was held by the British with the mandate to create a national home for the Jewish people. From 1948 until 1967, Gaza was held by Egypt and the West Bank (of the river Jordan) was held by Jordan (the country). The only time when Palestine started to hold territories was after the Oslo accords, when Israel and the Palestinians agreed to establish in time a Palestinian state but only through bilateral negotiations. It was specifically agreed that no side would take unilateral actions (such as annexation by Israel or seeking independence by the Palestinians). This clause the Palestinians are breaking now by forcing recognition by the UN while refusing to negotiate, and because of this US and Israel are upset. A more accurate series of maps: You see, it's Israel who is getting smaller and smaller. To put things in perspective, Israel and its enemies: See also a more detailed explanation of the maps. Pre 1948 maps missing? Where's the legitimacy in holding those lands against the will of it's natives? Also, you can't victimise Israel just because it has so many hostile states surrounding it, because many Gulf states have stayed out of the conflict for a long time now, and Israel has the US to balance any oil money poured into the Palestinian case anyway.
As I said, prior to 1948 the territories were held by the British.
Most of the inhabitants are Jews. Druze, Christians and other minorities know that they would be driven out or killed under muslim rule. The vast majority of Palestinians who have Israeli citizenship are adamant that in no way they want Palestinian rule. So, what do you mean "against the will of it's natives"? The whole Palestinian state issue is an artificial one created to defeat Israel.
The US money is only a very small part of Israel GDP. It is actually the US and EU pouring money in Palestine, not the Muslim states (they only do propaganda). And I really mean pouring: between 2000 and 2009 they got more then 7.2 billion dollars, being the most aided group of people on the face of the earth per person( each palestinian receives 9 times more then a Sudanese, 39 times more than a person from Congo )
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firstly that law is completely ridiculous. it's things like that and the constitution that make american politics a nightmare to manage, and they make fun of european red-tape :/
Secondly it's not any kind of millitary agreement, it's not political alliance, it's not even an america-palestine-isreal issue. the problem is now a TONNE of countries are being denied easy access to energy resources and healthcare because a stupid outdated law. the money america withdrew is being withdrawn from the entire organisation not just palestine. It's embarrising for america internationally that they would risk so much potential international progress over a petty quarrel with a relatively minor state.
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On November 02 2011 04:08 bonse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 03:47 Muki wrote:On November 02 2011 03:37 bonse wrote:holy... how on earth did that even happen and no one raised the issue over the course of decades? Well, very easy. It never happened! This series of "maps" is just distorted history. There never was in history a Palestinian state, big or small. Before WW1 the territory was held by the Turks. Since WW1 until 1948 the territory (including the East Bank of the Jordan) was held by the British with the mandate to create a national home for the Jewish people. From 1948 until 1967, Gaza was held by Egypt and the West Bank (of the river Jordan) was held by Jordan (the country). The only time when Palestine started to hold territories was after the Oslo accords, when Israel and the Palestinians agreed to establish in time a Palestinian state but only through bilateral negotiations. It was specifically agreed that no side would take unilateral actions (such as annexation by Israel or seeking independence by the Palestinians). This clause the Palestinians are breaking now by forcing recognition by the UN while refusing to negotiate, and because of this US and Israel are upset. A more accurate series of maps: You see, it's Israel who is getting smaller and smaller. To put things in perspective, Israel and its enemies: See also a more detailed explanation of the maps. Pre 1948 maps missing? Where's the legitimacy in holding those lands against the will of it's natives? Also, you can't victimise Israel just because it has so many hostile states surrounding it, because many Gulf states have stayed out of the conflict for a long time now, and Israel has the US to balance any oil money poured into the Palestinian case anyway. As I said, prior to 1948 the territories were held by the British. Most of the inhabitants are Jews. Druze, Christians and other minorities know that they would be driven out or killed under muslim rule. The vast majority of Palestinians who have Israeli citizenship are adamant that in no way they want Palestinian rule. So, what do you mean "against the will of it's natives"? The whole Palestinian state issue is an artificial one created to defeat Israel. The US money is only a very small part of Israel GDP. It is actually the US and EU pouring money in Palestine, not the Muslim states (they only do propaganda). And I really mean pouring: between 2000 and 2009 they got more then 7.2 billion dollars, being the most aided group of people on the face of the earth per person( each palestinian receives 9 times more then a Sudanese, 39 times more than a person from Congo )
Oh wow, did you at least read what I wrote to you few posts back? US not pouring money into Israel? The Arabs as a minority? Sorry but where do you get your facts from? Israeli media?
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On November 02 2011 04:08 bonse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 03:47 Muki wrote:On November 02 2011 03:37 bonse wrote:holy... how on earth did that even happen and no one raised the issue over the course of decades? Well, very easy. It never happened! This series of "maps" is just distorted history. There never was in history a Palestinian state, big or small. Before WW1 the territory was held by the Turks. Since WW1 until 1948 the territory (including the East Bank of the Jordan) was held by the British with the mandate to create a national home for the Jewish people. From 1948 until 1967, Gaza was held by Egypt and the West Bank (of the river Jordan) was held by Jordan (the country). The only time when Palestine started to hold territories was after the Oslo accords, when Israel and the Palestinians agreed to establish in time a Palestinian state but only through bilateral negotiations. It was specifically agreed that no side would take unilateral actions (such as annexation by Israel or seeking independence by the Palestinians). This clause the Palestinians are breaking now by forcing recognition by the UN while refusing to negotiate, and because of this US and Israel are upset. A more accurate series of maps: You see, it's Israel who is getting smaller and smaller. To put things in perspective, Israel and its enemies: See also a more detailed explanation of the maps. Pre 1948 maps missing? Where's the legitimacy in holding those lands against the will of it's natives? Also, you can't victimise Israel just because it has so many hostile states surrounding it, because many Gulf states have stayed out of the conflict for a long time now, and Israel has the US to balance any oil money poured into the Palestinian case anyway. As I said, prior to 1948 the territories were held by the British.
Most of the inhabitants are Jews. Druze, Christians and other minorities know that they would be driven out or killed under muslim rule. The vast majority of Palestinians who have Israeli citizenship are adamant that in no way they want Palestinian rule. So, what do you mean "against the will of it's natives"? The whole Palestinian state issue is an artificial one created to defeat Israel. The US money is only a very small part of Israel GDP. It is actually the US and EU pouring money in Palestine, not the Muslim states (they only do propaganda). And I really mean pouring: between 2000 and 2009 they got more then 7.2 billion dollars, being the most aided group of people on the face of the earth per person( each palestinian receives 9 times more then a Sudanese, 39 times more than a person from Congo )
Where did you learned that ? That's absolutly wrong.
Muslim are not all murderers, I think you should stop spouting nonsense and think a little. Jews wanted to create a country in this specific place because of their history. Israel was the cure to the jews' disease : a people without a country. That's all, stop trying to say they did it to respond to the muslim's rules that would have killed them otherwise, it's silly.
Also, Duze Jews and Christians were not the "most of the inhabitants", they were a little minority prior to WW2.
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On November 02 2011 03:54 DrainX wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 02 2011 03:37 bonse wrote:Show nested quote +holy... how on earth did that even happen and no one raised the issue over the course of decades? Well, very easy. It never happened! This series of "maps" is just distorted history. There never was in history a Palestinian state, big or small. Before WW1 the territory was held by the Turks. Since WW1 until 1948 the territory (including the East Bank of the Jordan) was held by the British with the mandate to create a national home for the Jewish people. From 1948 until 1967, Gaza was held by Egypt and the West Bank (of the river Jordan) was held by Jordan (the country). The only time when Palestine started to hold territories was after the Oslo accords, when Israel and the Palestinians agreed to establish in time a Palestinian state but only through bilateral negotiations. It was specifically agreed that no side would take unilateral actions (such as annexation by Israel or seeking independence by the Palestinians). This clause the Palestinians are breaking now by forcing recognition by the UN while refusing to negotiate, and because of this US and Israel are upset. ] Stop spreading lies. It's not like Israel have been been supporting the 1967 border solution since then. They have continued taking land and building walls on the west bank since then and are still doing so. The 1967 border solution you speak of that was agreed on in Oslo like you say, is supported by the whole world including the Arab league and the Palestinians. The Israeli are the ones who are not keeping up their end of the deal and don't agree to negotiate on equal terms.
Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq Vs. Isreal = Equal Terms. I think if Isreal is taking more than you think they deserve thats because you cannot put yourself in their shoes. When the Jewish community fled to Palestine as refugees they were rioted against. And now Palestinians get to enjoy the same treatment from their Arab neighbors. What goes around comes around. Its a two way street and its never been fair.
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On November 02 2011 04:02 mmp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 03:56 Synwave wrote:
Have to say I'm glad. I'm tired of US tax dollars going to fund things that do nothing for us and yet the countries we help with these dollars are constantly bagging on the US as some great evil country that is out to harm them. Its like giving money to a bum on the street and before your even half a block away he is yelling about how your evil corrupt and the cause of all his woes.
Palestine has never been a nation, they have however been a consistent harboring spot for global terrorists, not just anti-israel but global terrorism. Their stance is not one of peace but the complete destruction down to the women and children of their neighbors. I don't care who your neighbors are, thats a psychotic political stance that deserves nothing but contempt. I for one am not keen on helping fund any organization that says they need to protect a non-nation that actively and viciously attacks other countries citizens who are neither soldiers nor combatants. Call it a crazy notion or some pro-israel perspective if you want but this has nothing to do with politics regarding the jewish state for me. That is a very hateful statement about a people you do not know or understand. Your statement is equally hateful as your caricature of them. There is a world called reality that apparently 110 member nations of the UN are in touch with. Maybe they're all just belligerent psychotic sympathizers that deserve nothing but contempt.
Hardly hateful, its a statement based on what Palestines leaders have directly stated to the world and have repeatedly done through attacks and support. I suppose Hammas is some figment of my imagination that I invented so that I could have a biased perspective...oh wait, they are real. Perhaps you should look into exactly what Palestines leaders have stated regarding their neighbors and what the Hammas objectives are.
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On November 02 2011 04:08 bonse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 03:47 Muki wrote:On November 02 2011 03:37 bonse wrote:holy... how on earth did that even happen and no one raised the issue over the course of decades? Well, very easy. It never happened! This series of "maps" is just distorted history. There never was in history a Palestinian state, big or small. Before WW1 the territory was held by the Turks. Since WW1 until 1948 the territory (including the East Bank of the Jordan) was held by the British with the mandate to create a national home for the Jewish people. From 1948 until 1967, Gaza was held by Egypt and the West Bank (of the river Jordan) was held by Jordan (the country). The only time when Palestine started to hold territories was after the Oslo accords, when Israel and the Palestinians agreed to establish in time a Palestinian state but only through bilateral negotiations. It was specifically agreed that no side would take unilateral actions (such as annexation by Israel or seeking independence by the Palestinians). This clause the Palestinians are breaking now by forcing recognition by the UN while refusing to negotiate, and because of this US and Israel are upset. A more accurate series of maps: You see, it's Israel who is getting smaller and smaller. To put things in perspective, Israel and its enemies: See also a more detailed explanation of the maps. Pre 1948 maps missing? Where's the legitimacy in holding those lands against the will of it's natives? Also, you can't victimise Israel just because it has so many hostile states surrounding it, because many Gulf states have stayed out of the conflict for a long time now, and Israel has the US to balance any oil money poured into the Palestinian case anyway. As I said, prior to 1948 the territories were held by the British. Most of the inhabitants are Jews. Druze, Christians and other minorities know that they would be driven out or killed under muslim rule. The vast majority of Palestinians who have Israeli citizenship are adamant that in no way they want Palestinian rule. So, what do you mean "against the will of it's natives"? The whole Palestinian state issue is an artificial one created to defeat Israel. The US money is only a very small part of Israel GDP. It is actually the US and EU pouring money in Palestine, not the Muslim states (they only do propaganda). And I really mean pouring: between 2000 and 2009 they got more then 7.2 billion dollars, being the most aided group of people on the face of the earth per person( each palestinian receives 9 times more then a Sudanese, 39 times more than a person from Congo )
At no time, during the same period, did Isreal recieve less than 2.3 B in aid a year, mostly military. Some years 3 B or more, and nukes 
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On November 02 2011 04:24 Synwave wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:02 mmp wrote:On November 02 2011 03:56 Synwave wrote:
Have to say I'm glad. I'm tired of US tax dollars going to fund things that do nothing for us and yet the countries we help with these dollars are constantly bagging on the US as some great evil country that is out to harm them. Its like giving money to a bum on the street and before your even half a block away he is yelling about how your evil corrupt and the cause of all his woes.
Palestine has never been a nation, they have however been a consistent harboring spot for global terrorists, not just anti-israel but global terrorism. Their stance is not one of peace but the complete destruction down to the women and children of their neighbors. I don't care who your neighbors are, thats a psychotic political stance that deserves nothing but contempt. I for one am not keen on helping fund any organization that says they need to protect a non-nation that actively and viciously attacks other countries citizens who are neither soldiers nor combatants. Call it a crazy notion or some pro-israel perspective if you want but this has nothing to do with politics regarding the jewish state for me. That is a very hateful statement about a people you do not know or understand. Your statement is equally hateful as your caricature of them. There is a world called reality that apparently 110 member nations of the UN are in touch with. Maybe they're all just belligerent psychotic sympathizers that deserve nothing but contempt. Hardly hateful, its a statement based on what Palestines leaders have directly stated to the world and have repeatedly done through attacks and support. I suppose Hammas is some figment of my imagination that I invented so that I could have a biased perspective...oh wait, they are real. Perhaps you should look into exactly what Palestines leaders have stated regarding their neighbors and what the Hammas objectives are.
You realize that most of those people just want to live a peaceful life and raise their kids without someone walling them in (lol) and bombing them, right? Just because (some) leaders are retarded everyone living there shouldn't suffer.
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