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On October 18 2011 11:16 TOloseGT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:12 FFGenerations wrote:On October 18 2011 10:47 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 10:44 FFGenerations wrote:
dont you think this is fearmongering tho Blasterion? ie it happened in one or a handful of televised cases and people shouldnt take it to heart? so next time someone says "oh you should BLAH BLAH because i heard BLAH on the news and its awwwful i know but..." you should just be like "i dont give a flying fuck, ill do what i want to do, maybe there is a 0.001% chance itll screw me over but that can go fuck itself" If it's even a 0.001% chance I'd screw over my family. then I am no going to risk it. + Show Spoiler +so do you smoke? do you wear lights when you walk in the evening? do you drink alcohol? do you go to gym every other day and eat a perfect diet? do you keep your kid on a leash so she doesnt wander off (americans do this)?
at the end of the day people will do whatever they do, but you need to keep your choices in perspective with one another and recognise irregularities so you can move towards a well-defined set of values rather than letting yourself be brainwashed day upon day based on retarded things like "in 2006 this one time this one judge made this call that i completely disagree with and so do most people but im still gonna go along with it"
its PATHETIC how people let themselves be lead up one street and then the other . you should know what values you believe in and adhere to it. otherwise what worth and integrity do you have? you really are a sheep or a poodle of anyone and everyone around you. you are just a lump of meat taking consolation in your tiny little corner in the world until you die or until your situation forces change, upon which you latch like a leech upon the next control that is set on your head like a collar by some other man
i was actually wrong in my last post to some extent. when we were cave men we had a very social and solidarity lifestyle but, of course, we raped and murdered the shit out of other tribes whenever they came near and then wore their severed heads as relics.
so the same shit happens between nations, it happens between ethnicity, religion, it happens between people who live on one side of a rock and the other, it happens between individuals.
but it is not something we should be advocating after fucking 1 million years of social evolution. we are unique in that we can make our own CHOICE and recognise when we are brainwashed by others and recognised when we are brainwashed by our own emotional state.
that is why millions of people every day say GO FUCK YOURSELF to these dumb fake values and age-old idiocies that we still believe in as if they are the fucking perfect resolution for our confusing lives.
Uh, you're right that we can think for ourselves, and that's exactly what some of us are doing. While there are people who risk their livelihood for a stranger, there are others who weigh the pros and cons. I'd be more inclined to say that the people who rush into everything without a thought are the ones who haven't evolved past primal instinct. The ones calculating the odds are the ones who are actually using their brains.
I am not quite sure how you can just berate someone for taking the moral high ground and then claim that you, as the one who calculates the odds, use your brain and has evolved past primal instinct. In the view of many people your opinion is wrong - so don't act elitist and claim that we are inferior for disagreeing with you.
You're rationalising a decision that the majority of people (Westerners i guess based on my location) consider to be wrong and in fact disgusting. You are not smarter because you weigh up the odds - you just hold your own needs above those of others; is this a bad thing? Maybe; but that is how you feel. You essentially value your own COMFORT (and no i am not saying LIFE because if you have to pay 40% of the bills, you are not going to die) above someone elses LIFE.
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On October 18 2011 11:22 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:20 justsayinbro wrote:On October 18 2011 11:19 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:15 Xinliben wrote:On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote:
We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own. Altruism is one of the main characteristics of being a human being. You are less then a human being. When your two year old child is dying in the street bleeding to death and crying in pain, and someone walks by and says "Wow, I'd love to help but I need to get home for dinner!" Please come and defend that person, I'd love to see it. Get off your moral high horse. You foreigners have no place to say anything. She can cry and scream all she have to, My 1st duty as a human being and as a man goes to my family If I have to risk my family and their future for that one girl, then it is most unfortunate for her do you honestly think that little girl would have sued the rescuer for helping her live? not everyone sues because they can. Worth it to risk it? I think not
after witnessing that first run over you should be.
you need some faith in humanity, but i'll bet china isn't a place for that too much.
edit: you were just telling that other guy to get off his moral high horse but you just degraded into something below human by asking if it is worth it to risk the possibility of getting sued by yueyue, then deciding to just look away.
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Right. I'll remember how cultured and civilised the Americans are then next time yet another video of US troops executing civilians comes out and then blame it on American culture/Law and capitalism and all that stuff.
Horrifying yeah but get over it. If someone got hit by a truck, their guts open and their legs smashed, mouth gaping like a gold fish as they choke on their own blood, I somehow doubt I would go hero mode and pull them away. People dont like death and blood and will avoid it whenever they can.
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On October 18 2011 11:26 justsayinbro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:22 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:20 justsayinbro wrote:On October 18 2011 11:19 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:15 Xinliben wrote:On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote:
We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own. Altruism is one of the main characteristics of being a human being. You are less then a human being. When your two year old child is dying in the street bleeding to death and crying in pain, and someone walks by and says "Wow, I'd love to help but I need to get home for dinner!" Please come and defend that person, I'd love to see it. Get off your moral high horse. You foreigners have no place to say anything. She can cry and scream all she have to, My 1st duty as a human being and as a man goes to my family If I have to risk my family and their future for that one girl, then it is most unfortunate for her do you honestly think that little girl would have sued the rescuer for helping her live? not everyone sues because they can. Worth it to risk it? I think not after witnessing that first run over you should be. you need some faith in humanity, but i'll bet china isn't a place for that too much.
I'll have faith once 06 decision gets abolished
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1. this is awful
2. does the OP really think this only happens in China? How many youtube videos are there of American kids beating someone on the floor when nobody helps... or just look up any of the riot videos of London... seriously? Does this guy have something against china?
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On October 18 2011 11:25 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:20 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:16 TOloseGT wrote:On October 18 2011 11:12 FFGenerations wrote:On October 18 2011 10:47 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 10:44 FFGenerations wrote:
dont you think this is fearmongering tho Blasterion? ie it happened in one or a handful of televised cases and people shouldnt take it to heart? so next time someone says "oh you should BLAH BLAH because i heard BLAH on the news and its awwwful i know but..." you should just be like "i dont give a flying fuck, ill do what i want to do, maybe there is a 0.001% chance itll screw me over but that can go fuck itself" If it's even a 0.001% chance I'd screw over my family. then I am no going to risk it. + Show Spoiler +so do you smoke? do you wear lights when you walk in the evening? do you drink alcohol? do you go to gym every other day and eat a perfect diet? do you keep your kid on a leash so she doesnt wander off (americans do this)?
at the end of the day people will do whatever they do, but you need to keep your choices in perspective with one another and recognise irregularities so you can move towards a well-defined set of values rather than letting yourself be brainwashed day upon day based on retarded things like "in 2006 this one time this one judge made this call that i completely disagree with and so do most people but im still gonna go along with it"
its PATHETIC how people let themselves be lead up one street and then the other . you should know what values you believe in and adhere to it. otherwise what worth and integrity do you have? you really are a sheep or a poodle of anyone and everyone around you. you are just a lump of meat taking consolation in your tiny little corner in the world until you die or until your situation forces change, upon which you latch like a leech upon the next control that is set on your head like a collar by some other man
i was actually wrong in my last post to some extent. when we were cave men we had a very social and solidarity lifestyle but, of course, we raped and murdered the shit out of other tribes whenever they came near and then wore their severed heads as relics.
so the same shit happens between nations, it happens between ethnicity, religion, it happens between people who live on one side of a rock and the other, it happens between individuals.
but it is not something we should be advocating after fucking 1 million years of social evolution. we are unique in that we can make our own CHOICE and recognise when we are brainwashed by others and recognised when we are brainwashed by our own emotional state.
that is why millions of people every day say GO FUCK YOURSELF to these dumb fake values and age-old idiocies that we still believe in as if they are the fucking perfect resolution for our confusing lives.
Uh, you're right that we can think for ourselves, and that's exactly what some of us are doing. While there are people who risk their livelihood for a stranger, there are others who weigh the pros and cons. I'd be more inclined to say that the people who rush into everything without a thought are the ones who haven't evolved past primal instinct. The ones calculating the odds are the ones who are actually using their brains. Again, you only say that cause you've lived a sheltered life, and quiet honestly since we're on this forum, bad at computer games. When someone is about to jump you in the street good luck weighting pros and cons. What the fuck, this shit disgusts me. You just take a fucking seat on your high horse and look down at everyone who doesnt agree with you, calling them 'sheltered' or even 'scum' what the fuck is wrong with you? You have NO fucking idea what kind of life chinese people have to live. You dont understand that kind of fear being bred and festering in a corrupt environment for years. What the FUCK gives you the right to judge when you never have and probably never WILL be in that exact situation?
lol. I've lived in belarus for half my life. I understand that shit better then you.
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On October 18 2011 11:24 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:22 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:20 justsayinbro wrote:On October 18 2011 11:19 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:15 Xinliben wrote:On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote:
We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own. Altruism is one of the main characteristics of being a human being. You are less then a human being. When your two year old child is dying in the street bleeding to death and crying in pain, and someone walks by and says "Wow, I'd love to help but I need to get home for dinner!" Please come and defend that person, I'd love to see it. Get off your moral high horse. You foreigners have no place to say anything. She can cry and scream all she have to, My 1st duty as a human being and as a man goes to my family If I have to risk my family and their future for that one girl, then it is most unfortunate for her do you honestly think that little girl would have sued the rescuer for helping her live? not everyone sues because they can. Worth it to risk it? I think not if only this girl was a fish maybe you'd give a fuck http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=276452#2
oh wow he is such a prick
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On October 18 2011 11:23 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:22 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:19 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:15 Xinliben wrote:On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote:
We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own. Altruism is one of the main characteristics of being a human being. You are less then a human being. When your two year old child is dying in the street bleeding to death and crying in pain, and someone walks by and says "Wow, I'd love to help but I need to get home for dinner!" Please come and defend that person, I'd love to see it. Get off your moral high horse. You foreigners have no place to say anything. She can cry and scream all she have to, My 1st duty as a human being and as a man goes to my family If I have to risk my family and their future for that one girl, then it is most unfortunate for her oh stfu you live in the US and i lived in a commie country myself. You don't run no risk anyway if there is a camera there's proof of your innocence and if there isn't one noone is holding you down when you hear the sirens. Read up on the '06 ruling please.
you should read it. And read my post. And think.
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A sad state of affairs in China - but one that is brought about because of the greed of its own citizens. It is well known that there have been instances where good samaritans have been turned upon (i.e. sued) by the greedy and pathetic people that were saved. Hopefully that some kind of legislation is passed to alleviate this problem.
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Another video showing the worst the human race has to offer. Even if you are an asshole afraid of getting sued you can anonymously call 911 and perhaps be so generous as to move the girl from the middle of the street.
On October 18 2011 11:24 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:22 Xinliben wrote:On October 18 2011 11:19 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:15 Xinliben wrote:On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote:
We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own. Altruism is one of the main characteristics of being a human being. You are less then a human being. When your two year old child is dying in the street bleeding to death and crying in pain, and someone walks by and says "Wow, I'd love to help but I need to get home for dinner!" Please come and defend that person, I'd love to see it. Get off your moral high horse. You foreigners have no place to say anything. She can cry and scream all she have to, My 1st duty as a human being and as a man goes to my family If I have to risk my family and their future for that one girl, then it is most unfortunate for her I'd love to see you provide for your family when you get stabbed and robbed, and crawl on your stomach for 30 minutes until you die while everyone walks around you so they don't get their blood on their new shoes. I have life insurance my family is covered
Hope you don't get murdered by someone who makes it look like a suicide. Pretty sure life insurance doesn't get collected in that case.
edit: Sorry, that wasn't necessary to say.
However, I feel the world would be a much worse place if everyone avoiding doing any action to help others due to a .0001% risk to their family. I don't have a family of my own at this point in life, but when I do I don't think I'll care that much. Guess I'm bad.
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On October 18 2011 11:27 T0fuuu wrote:
Right. I'll remember how cultured and civilised the Americans are then next time yet another video of US troops executing civilians comes out and then blame it on American culture/Law and capitalism and all that stuff.
Horrifying yeah but get over it. If someone got hit by a truck, their guts open and their legs smashed, mouth gaping like a gold fish as they choke on their own blood, I somehow doubt I would go hero mode and pull them away. People dont like death and blood and will avoid it whenever they can.
Way to generalise absolutely every concept possible that is related to this topic and add a little bit of "US hate" to it as well.
Why characterise an ENTIRE nation of people based on the actions of their military during war time? I am not even American and your post offends me. It is this EXACT attitude that is the problem; human life should be the number 1 priority; full stop.
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On October 18 2011 11:29 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:23 Ryuu314 wrote:On October 18 2011 11:22 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:19 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:15 Xinliben wrote:On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote:
We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own. Altruism is one of the main characteristics of being a human being. You are less then a human being. When your two year old child is dying in the street bleeding to death and crying in pain, and someone walks by and says "Wow, I'd love to help but I need to get home for dinner!" Please come and defend that person, I'd love to see it. Get off your moral high horse. You foreigners have no place to say anything. She can cry and scream all she have to, My 1st duty as a human being and as a man goes to my family If I have to risk my family and their future for that one girl, then it is most unfortunate for her oh stfu you live in the US and i lived in a commie country myself. You don't run no risk anyway if there is a camera there's proof of your innocence and if there isn't one noone is holding you down when you hear the sirens. Read up on the '06 ruling please. you should read it. And read my post. And think.
I've read it. And I've read every one of your posts.
All your posts are angry, no-content attacks on other posters from your high horse. Every one of your posts makes it seem like you have no idea what the '06 decision is even about or what it says. You're ignorant and I honestly think half your posts are utter bs.
I'm not defending the actions of the people in the video. But I do understand the context of what they have to live through and deal with. Would I do the same? I don't know; I don't think so. I think I'll help the girl, but again, I don't live in that environment, and neither do you.
Calm yo tits.
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On October 18 2011 11:31 Jonoman92 wrote:Another video showing the worst the human race has to offer. Even if you are an asshole afraid of getting sued you get anonymously call 911 and perhaps be so generous as to move the girl from the middle of the street. Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:24 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:22 Xinliben wrote:On October 18 2011 11:19 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:15 Xinliben wrote:On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote:
We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own. Altruism is one of the main characteristics of being a human being. You are less then a human being. When your two year old child is dying in the street bleeding to death and crying in pain, and someone walks by and says "Wow, I'd love to help but I need to get home for dinner!" Please come and defend that person, I'd love to see it. Get off your moral high horse. You foreigners have no place to say anything. She can cry and scream all she have to, My 1st duty as a human being and as a man goes to my family If I have to risk my family and their future for that one girl, then it is most unfortunate for her I'd love to see you provide for your family when you get stabbed and robbed, and crawl on your stomach for 30 minutes until you die while everyone walks around you so they don't get their blood on their new shoes. I have life insurance my family is covered Hope you don't get murdered by someone who makes it look like a suicide. Pretty sure life insurance doesn't get collected in that case.
Well then I'll resign to my own fate, matter of the fact is yes helping is good but when it puts the ones you love in jeopardy you have to prioritize thing a bit
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On October 18 2011 11:26 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:16 TOloseGT wrote:On October 18 2011 11:12 FFGenerations wrote:On October 18 2011 10:47 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 10:44 FFGenerations wrote:
dont you think this is fearmongering tho Blasterion? ie it happened in one or a handful of televised cases and people shouldnt take it to heart? so next time someone says "oh you should BLAH BLAH because i heard BLAH on the news and its awwwful i know but..." you should just be like "i dont give a flying fuck, ill do what i want to do, maybe there is a 0.001% chance itll screw me over but that can go fuck itself" If it's even a 0.001% chance I'd screw over my family. then I am no going to risk it. + Show Spoiler +so do you smoke? do you wear lights when you walk in the evening? do you drink alcohol? do you go to gym every other day and eat a perfect diet? do you keep your kid on a leash so she doesnt wander off (americans do this)?
at the end of the day people will do whatever they do, but you need to keep your choices in perspective with one another and recognise irregularities so you can move towards a well-defined set of values rather than letting yourself be brainwashed day upon day based on retarded things like "in 2006 this one time this one judge made this call that i completely disagree with and so do most people but im still gonna go along with it"
its PATHETIC how people let themselves be lead up one street and then the other . you should know what values you believe in and adhere to it. otherwise what worth and integrity do you have? you really are a sheep or a poodle of anyone and everyone around you. you are just a lump of meat taking consolation in your tiny little corner in the world until you die or until your situation forces change, upon which you latch like a leech upon the next control that is set on your head like a collar by some other man
i was actually wrong in my last post to some extent. when we were cave men we had a very social and solidarity lifestyle but, of course, we raped and murdered the shit out of other tribes whenever they came near and then wore their severed heads as relics.
so the same shit happens between nations, it happens between ethnicity, religion, it happens between people who live on one side of a rock and the other, it happens between individuals.
but it is not something we should be advocating after fucking 1 million years of social evolution. we are unique in that we can make our own CHOICE and recognise when we are brainwashed by others and recognised when we are brainwashed by our own emotional state.
that is why millions of people every day say GO FUCK YOURSELF to these dumb fake values and age-old idiocies that we still believe in as if they are the fucking perfect resolution for our confusing lives.
Uh, you're right that we can think for ourselves, and that's exactly what some of us are doing. While there are people who risk their livelihood for a stranger, there are others who weigh the pros and cons. I'd be more inclined to say that the people who rush into everything without a thought are the ones who haven't evolved past primal instinct. The ones calculating the odds are the ones who are actually using their brains. I am not quite sure how you can just berate someone for taking the moral high ground and then claim that you, as the one who calculates the odds, use your brain and has evolved past primal instinct. In the view of many people your opinion is wrong - so don't act elitist and claim that we are inferior for disagreeing with you. You're rationalising a decision that the majority of people (Westerners i guess based on my location) consider to be wrong and in fact disgusting. You are not smarter because you weigh up the odds - you just hold your own needs above those of others; is this a bad thing? Maybe; but that is how you feel. You essentially value your own COMFORT (and no i am not saying LIFE because if you have to pay 40% of the bills, you are not going to die) above someone elses LIFE.
If FF wants to berate the people walking past and call them lumps of meat, he'd better think of the consequences of what those "lumps of meat" might have to go through because of the Chinese justice system.
And I never even implied that I am in anyway smarter. FF brought up brainwashing, and I'm making the point that maybe those people aren't brainwashed as much as they are just thinking rationally. You've made the assumption that acting on primal instincts implies stupidity, even when I made no such accusation.
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On October 18 2011 11:31 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:27 T0fuuu wrote:
Right. I'll remember how cultured and civilised the Americans are then next time yet another video of US troops executing civilians comes out and then blame it on American culture/Law and capitalism and all that stuff.
Horrifying yeah but get over it. If someone got hit by a truck, their guts open and their legs smashed, mouth gaping like a gold fish as they choke on their own blood, I somehow doubt I would go hero mode and pull them away. People dont like death and blood and will avoid it whenever they can. Way to generalise absolutely every concept possible that is related to this topic and add a little bit of "US hate" to it as well. Why characterise an ENTIRE nation of people based on the actions of their military during war time? I am not even American and your post offends me. It is this EXACT attitude that is the problem; human life should be the number 1 priority; full stop.
Well said yet again bkrow. I've gained a lot of respect for you reading your posts in this thread.
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On October 18 2011 11:28 LXR wrote:
1. this is awful
2. does the OP really think this only happens in China? How many youtube videos are there of American kids beating someone on the floor when nobody helps... or just look up any of the riot videos of London... seriously? Does this guy have something against china?
Yes its truly sad and no, I dont have anything against China and I know it happens all over the world.
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On October 18 2011 11:28 LXR wrote:
1. this is awful
2. does the OP really think this only happens in China? How many youtube videos are there of American kids beating someone on the floor when nobody helps... or just look up any of the riot videos of London... seriously? Does this guy have something against china?
Only this is much worse. In most cases in the West, people will call the police. What's especially shocking and utterly disgusting is that no one called the police. People honestly just pretended this never happened. My parents taught me not to get involved with these matters and directly report it and I think it could be applied here. You don't have to physically lift the girl yourself, but at least call the fricking police.
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On October 18 2011 11:32 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:31 Jonoman92 wrote:Another video showing the worst the human race has to offer. Even if you are an asshole afraid of getting sued you get anonymously call 911 and perhaps be so generous as to move the girl from the middle of the street. On October 18 2011 11:24 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:22 Xinliben wrote:On October 18 2011 11:19 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:15 Xinliben wrote:On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote:
We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own. Altruism is one of the main characteristics of being a human being. You are less then a human being. When your two year old child is dying in the street bleeding to death and crying in pain, and someone walks by and says "Wow, I'd love to help but I need to get home for dinner!" Please come and defend that person, I'd love to see it. Get off your moral high horse. You foreigners have no place to say anything. She can cry and scream all she have to, My 1st duty as a human being and as a man goes to my family If I have to risk my family and their future for that one girl, then it is most unfortunate for her I'd love to see you provide for your family when you get stabbed and robbed, and crawl on your stomach for 30 minutes until you die while everyone walks around you so they don't get their blood on their new shoes. I have life insurance my family is covered Hope you don't get murdered by someone who makes it look like a suicide. Pretty sure life insurance doesn't get collected in that case. Well then I'll resign to my own fate, matter of the fact is yes helping is good but when it puts the ones you love in jeopardy you have to prioritize thing a bit
Honest question - i am not trying to be sarcastic or anything; but let's assume the family sues you - and the '06 decision is reinforced and you are liable for 40% of the medical bills.
Is someone in your family going to die?
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