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Oh my god......this so so sad and unfortunate..... God bless her family and her... I feel so bad about this.... I can't believe it took so long for anyone to pull her out of harms way jesus christ.... fucking people man.. makes me sick...
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On October 18 2011 11:19 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:15 Xinliben wrote:On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote:
We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own. Altruism is one of the main characteristics of being a human being. You are less then a human being. When your two year old child is dying in the street bleeding to death and crying in pain, and someone walks by and says "Wow, I'd love to help but I need to get home for dinner!" Please come and defend that person, I'd love to see it. Get off your moral high horse. You foreigners have no place to say anything. She can cry and scream all she have to, My 1st duty as a human being and as a man goes to my family If I have to risk my family and their future for that one girl, then it is most unfortunate for her
do you honestly think that little girl would have sued the rescuer for helping her live?
not everyone sues because they can.
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On October 18 2011 11:16 TOloseGT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:12 FFGenerations wrote:On October 18 2011 10:47 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 10:44 FFGenerations wrote:
dont you think this is fearmongering tho Blasterion? ie it happened in one or a handful of televised cases and people shouldnt take it to heart? so next time someone says "oh you should BLAH BLAH because i heard BLAH on the news and its awwwful i know but..." you should just be like "i dont give a flying fuck, ill do what i want to do, maybe there is a 0.001% chance itll screw me over but that can go fuck itself" If it's even a 0.001% chance I'd screw over my family. then I am no going to risk it. + Show Spoiler +so do you smoke? do you wear lights when you walk in the evening? do you drink alcohol? do you go to gym every other day and eat a perfect diet? do you keep your kid on a leash so she doesnt wander off (americans do this)?
at the end of the day people will do whatever they do, but you need to keep your choices in perspective with one another and recognise irregularities so you can move towards a well-defined set of values rather than letting yourself be brainwashed day upon day based on retarded things like "in 2006 this one time this one judge made this call that i completely disagree with and so do most people but im still gonna go along with it"
its PATHETIC how people let themselves be lead up one street and then the other . you should know what values you believe in and adhere to it. otherwise what worth and integrity do you have? you really are a sheep or a poodle of anyone and everyone around you. you are just a lump of meat taking consolation in your tiny little corner in the world until you die or until your situation forces change, upon which you latch like a leech upon the next control that is set on your head like a collar by some other man
i was actually wrong in my last post to some extent. when we were cave men we had a very social and solidarity lifestyle but, of course, we raped and murdered the shit out of other tribes whenever they came near and then wore their severed heads as relics.
so the same shit happens between nations, it happens between ethnicity, religion, it happens between people who live on one side of a rock and the other, it happens between individuals.
but it is not something we should be advocating after fucking 1 million years of social evolution. we are unique in that we can make our own CHOICE and recognise when we are brainwashed by others and recognised when we are brainwashed by our own emotional state.
that is why millions of people every day say GO FUCK YOURSELF to these dumb fake values and age-old idiocies that we still believe in as if they are the fucking perfect resolution for our confusing lives.
Uh, you're right that we can think for ourselves, and that's exactly what some of us are doing. While there are people who risk their livelihood for a stranger, there are others who weigh the pros and cons. I'd be more inclined to say that the people who rush into everything without a thought are the ones who haven't evolved past primal instinct. The ones calculating the odds are the ones who are actually using their brains.
You know what my brain tells me?
Society could save billions of dollars if we began euthanizing old people are those disabled/handicapped enough to be unproductive to society. We could fill mental hospitals and cancer wards with carbon dioxide and we would have so much more resources to help those who are healthy and have a greater chance at a long and productive life.
Thank god humans aren't purely rational beings.
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This video made me want to throw up, as my best friend's daughter is only a year and a half, and I would be devastated if something like this happened to her.
I really wish people would stop with the anti-Sino sentiments. It seems like Westerners always have a self-righteous image about themselves and put themselves up on a pedestal when they are just as fucked up and in some cases even worse than the things that they claim to be above. Last I checked, America holds the top spot for most serial killers, mass murders, and school shootings as well as one of the most violent histories of any country in the world.
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On October 18 2011 11:12 TOloseGT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:08 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Luckily I married someone with the decency to accept poverty if it meant saving a girl dying in the streets.
Hell, we spent a large sum of money recently to give surgery to a dying stray cat, and that was a fucking CAT. And believe me when I say we are not close to being well-off.
It is convenient I suppose to assume that the result of saving this girl is having your children and family starve to death. Those sort of irrational assumptions make it much easier to rationalize walking away. Where do you get off going the moral high road? I love that you live in a fairy land where there's evil and there's good. This shit is complicated because of past precedents. I would love to help, but since I'm not superman, there's a chance I could get owned doing so. I'm weighing the life of one person to the lives of 4 people. I'm glad that you would willingly spend 40% of your income throughout your life towards your cat, I'm not as generous.
Its not about "loving" to help. Its about doing the right thing.
I come from a country where police extortion is the norm rather than the exception. Heck, even when you are the victim of a crime, the police still extorts you to even register your case, and that's just the beginning. Then individual officers pay visits to your house on a weekly basis with some vague story and questions, and try to extort money from you on each visit, just to keep your case file open. The story is even worse if you are even accused of doing something (even if you're innocent and you just reported the case). Police harassment is just atrocious in India.
Having said that, even with this kind of scenario exsiting in our country, there is always someone who is still willing to do the right thing and prepare to face the consequences of their own actions. Having come from such a background, I find it really hard to even comprehend that every single person in the video just walked away, as if it was a dead rat lying around. Truly pathetic.
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That almost made me sick... amazing.. just people like that should be shot.
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its interesting actually because i let my friends dogs out by accident the other day and they ran 300 metres directly towards a motorway (.....) and one got half his side ripped off by a car tire
all the time going thru my mind (after i found out how much vet bills are LOL) was "money money money is it worth it omg what the fuck". after a while i was like "well i can pay 300 ...what if there are complications and it becomes 700....what if it fucks up after a week and we take him back and it becomes 1200...."
some fucked up shit right there lol (any help LOL?)
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Great China. You must be proud.
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On October 18 2011 11:20 justsayinbro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:19 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:15 Xinliben wrote:On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote:
We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own. Altruism is one of the main characteristics of being a human being. You are less then a human being. When your two year old child is dying in the street bleeding to death and crying in pain, and someone walks by and says "Wow, I'd love to help but I need to get home for dinner!" Please come and defend that person, I'd love to see it. Get off your moral high horse. You foreigners have no place to say anything. She can cry and scream all she have to, My 1st duty as a human being and as a man goes to my family If I have to risk my family and their future for that one girl, then it is most unfortunate for her do you honestly think that little girl would have sued the rescuer for helping her live? not everyone sues because they can.
Worth it to risk it? I think not
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On October 18 2011 11:19 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:15 Xinliben wrote:On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote:
We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own. Altruism is one of the main characteristics of being a human being. You are less then a human being. When your two year old child is dying in the street bleeding to death and crying in pain, and someone walks by and says "Wow, I'd love to help but I need to get home for dinner!" Please come and defend that person, I'd love to see it. Get off your moral high horse. You foreigners have no place to say anything. She can cry and scream all she have to, My 1st duty as a human being and as a man goes to my family If I have to risk my family and their future for that one girl, then it is most unfortunate for her
oh stfu you live in the US and i lived in a commie country myself.
You don't run no risk anyway if there is a camera there's proof of your innocence and if there isn't one noone is holding you down when you hear the sirens.
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On October 18 2011 11:19 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:15 Xinliben wrote:On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote:
We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own. Altruism is one of the main characteristics of being a human being. You are less then a human being. When your two year old child is dying in the street bleeding to death and crying in pain, and someone walks by and says "Wow, I'd love to help but I need to get home for dinner!" Please come and defend that person, I'd love to see it. Get off your moral high horse. You foreigners have no place to say anything. She can cry and scream all she have to, My 1st duty as a human being and as a man goes to my family If I have to risk my family and their future for that one girl, then it is most unfortunate for her
I'd love to see you provide for your family when you get stabbed and robbed, and crawl on your stomach for 30 minutes until you die while everyone walks around you so they don't get their blood on their new shoes.
Edit* I just want to say the fact that you are defending letting people die makes me feel ashamed.
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On October 18 2011 11:20 Piledriver wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:12 TOloseGT wrote:On October 18 2011 11:08 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Luckily I married someone with the decency to accept poverty if it meant saving a girl dying in the streets.
Hell, we spent a large sum of money recently to give surgery to a dying stray cat, and that was a fucking CAT. And believe me when I say we are not close to being well-off.
It is convenient I suppose to assume that the result of saving this girl is having your children and family starve to death. Those sort of irrational assumptions make it much easier to rationalize walking away. Where do you get off going the moral high road? I love that you live in a fairy land where there's evil and there's good. This shit is complicated because of past precedents. I would love to help, but since I'm not superman, there's a chance I could get owned doing so. I'm weighing the life of one person to the lives of 4 people. I'm glad that you would willingly spend 40% of your income throughout your life towards your cat, I'm not as generous. Its not about "loving" to help. Its about doing the right thing. I come from a country where police extortion is the norm rather than the exception. Heck, even when you are the victim of a crime, the police still extorts you to even register your case, and that's just the beginning. Then individual officers of visits to your house on a weekly basis with some vague story and questions, and try to extort money from you on each visit, just to keep your case file open. The story is even worse if you are even accused of doing something (even if you're innocent and you just reported the case). Police harassment is just atrocious in India. Having said that, even with this kind of scenario exsiting in our country, there is always someone who is still willing to do the right thing and prepare to face the consequences of their own actions. Having come from such a background, I find it really hard to even comprehend that every single person in the video just walked away, as if it was a dead rat lying around. Truly pathetic.
lololol love idiots who don't even watch even a third of the video and make generalizations
about a 1-2 minutes into the video an old lady goes and helps the kid. then goes around asking if people saw anything.
On October 18 2011 11:22 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:19 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:15 Xinliben wrote:On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote:
We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own. Altruism is one of the main characteristics of being a human being. You are less then a human being. When your two year old child is dying in the street bleeding to death and crying in pain, and someone walks by and says "Wow, I'd love to help but I need to get home for dinner!" Please come and defend that person, I'd love to see it. Get off your moral high horse. You foreigners have no place to say anything. She can cry and scream all she have to, My 1st duty as a human being and as a man goes to my family If I have to risk my family and their future for that one girl, then it is most unfortunate for her oh stfu you live in the US and i lived in a commie country myself. You don't run no risk anyway if there is a camera there's proof of your innocence and if there isn't one noone is holding you down when you hear the sirens.
Read up on the '06 ruling please.
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On October 18 2011 11:16 TOloseGT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:12 FFGenerations wrote:On October 18 2011 10:47 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 10:44 FFGenerations wrote:
dont you think this is fearmongering tho Blasterion? ie it happened in one or a handful of televised cases and people shouldnt take it to heart? so next time someone says "oh you should BLAH BLAH because i heard BLAH on the news and its awwwful i know but..." you should just be like "i dont give a flying fuck, ill do what i want to do, maybe there is a 0.001% chance itll screw me over but that can go fuck itself" If it's even a 0.001% chance I'd screw over my family. then I am no going to risk it. + Show Spoiler +so do you smoke? do you wear lights when you walk in the evening? do you drink alcohol? do you go to gym every other day and eat a perfect diet? do you keep your kid on a leash so she doesnt wander off (americans do this)?
at the end of the day people will do whatever they do, but you need to keep your choices in perspective with one another and recognise irregularities so you can move towards a well-defined set of values rather than letting yourself be brainwashed day upon day based on retarded things like "in 2006 this one time this one judge made this call that i completely disagree with and so do most people but im still gonna go along with it"
its PATHETIC how people let themselves be lead up one street and then the other . you should know what values you believe in and adhere to it. otherwise what worth and integrity do you have? you really are a sheep or a poodle of anyone and everyone around you. you are just a lump of meat taking consolation in your tiny little corner in the world until you die or until your situation forces change, upon which you latch like a leech upon the next control that is set on your head like a collar by some other man
i was actually wrong in my last post to some extent. when we were cave men we had a very social and solidarity lifestyle but, of course, we raped and murdered the shit out of other tribes whenever they came near and then wore their severed heads as relics.
so the same shit happens between nations, it happens between ethnicity, religion, it happens between people who live on one side of a rock and the other, it happens between individuals.
but it is not something we should be advocating after fucking 1 million years of social evolution. we are unique in that we can make our own CHOICE and recognise when we are brainwashed by others and recognised when we are brainwashed by our own emotional state.
that is why millions of people every day say GO FUCK YOURSELF to these dumb fake values and age-old idiocies that we still believe in as if they are the fucking perfect resolution for our confusing lives.
Uh, you're right that we can think for ourselves, and that's exactly what some of us are doing. While there are people who risk their livelihood for a stranger, there are others who weigh the pros and cons. I'd be more inclined to say that the people who rush into everything without a thought are the ones who haven't evolved past primal instinct. The ones calculating the odds are the ones who are actually using their brains.
Actually, you'll find that all life forms "calculate" the odds, regardless of brain power... it's just evolution.
The more conscious human beings that rush to everything just happen to be a little more selfless than others.
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On October 18 2011 11:22 Xinliben wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:19 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:15 Xinliben wrote:On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote:
We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own. Altruism is one of the main characteristics of being a human being. You are less then a human being. When your two year old child is dying in the street bleeding to death and crying in pain, and someone walks by and says "Wow, I'd love to help but I need to get home for dinner!" Please come and defend that person, I'd love to see it. Get off your moral high horse. You foreigners have no place to say anything. She can cry and scream all she have to, My 1st duty as a human being and as a man goes to my family If I have to risk my family and their future for that one girl, then it is most unfortunate for her I'd love to see you provide for your family when you get stabbed and robbed, and crawl on your stomach for 30 minutes until you die while everyone walks around you so they don't get their blood on their new shoes.
ha!
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On October 18 2011 11:22 Xinliben wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:19 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:15 Xinliben wrote:On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote:
We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own. Altruism is one of the main characteristics of being a human being. You are less then a human being. When your two year old child is dying in the street bleeding to death and crying in pain, and someone walks by and says "Wow, I'd love to help but I need to get home for dinner!" Please come and defend that person, I'd love to see it. Get off your moral high horse. You foreigners have no place to say anything. She can cry and scream all she have to, My 1st duty as a human being and as a man goes to my family If I have to risk my family and their future for that one girl, then it is most unfortunate for her I'd love to see you provide for your family when you get stabbed and robbed, and crawl on your stomach for 30 minutes until you die while everyone walks around you so they don't get their blood on their new shoes.
I have life insurance my family is covered
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On October 18 2011 11:22 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:20 justsayinbro wrote:On October 18 2011 11:19 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:15 Xinliben wrote:On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote:
We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own. Altruism is one of the main characteristics of being a human being. You are less then a human being. When your two year old child is dying in the street bleeding to death and crying in pain, and someone walks by and says "Wow, I'd love to help but I need to get home for dinner!" Please come and defend that person, I'd love to see it. Get off your moral high horse. You foreigners have no place to say anything. She can cry and scream all she have to, My 1st duty as a human being and as a man goes to my family If I have to risk my family and their future for that one girl, then it is most unfortunate for her do you honestly think that little girl would have sued the rescuer for helping her live? not everyone sues because they can. Worth it to risk it? I think not
if only this girl was a fish maybe you'd give a fuck
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=276452#2
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On October 18 2011 10:55 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 10:50 NekoFlandre wrote:On October 18 2011 10:36 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 10:35 The KY wrote:On October 18 2011 10:22 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 10:20 HellRoxYa wrote:On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote:
We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own. This actually makes no sense at all. Their value compared to your own would only matter if you were to risk anything by assisting them. Say that as you help her and her mother jumps out of the shadows to sue you for helping Anyone who watches a 2 year old girl die because they are afraid of being sued is...well that's a bullshit reason. Like I said, better her dying than my family going hungry from me losing my assets, job, and future Helping isn't bad but think abit about what can happen if you do. Is your family worth that one life? Honestly? The sad thing is, I cannot disagree with what you said. However horrible it may be that the child there should have gotten some form of assistance, instead of being left to die on the road. I can't argue with the logic in your statement. I would however make the argument that, the fact that you have to be afraid for your family for helping another in a dire situation needs to be given some serious consideration (outside of your control) as it has been stated before due to the case in 06 as has been stated. It is tragic, it is horrible. Yet, then again that in general is what life is. It comes down to concepts of altruism and the sanctity of life; even if your family ends up poor, broke or in jail - as human beings we expect that a human life be held above everything else. It also touches on biblical concepts of "do to one as you would want done to you" - i mean if you were dying in the middle of the road you would sure as shit want someone to help you. I find it really hard to believe that you can't disagree with what Blasterion is saying. In my mind, FUCK YES my family's financial status is worth saving that kids life; FUCK YES i would sacrifice my assets, job and future to save someones life (or i'd expect myself to.)
I would expext myself to as well, however. I do not live in a place where I would lose my current standing in life nor my families. I am sorry, but to me? My family is more important than others. Though I would think a 2 year old who is unsupervised, would take precident to recieving some form of help.
While commenting on how another society holds their own, do you not think it hurt people to simply pass by? I would imagine it would. Though, they also take into account their own lives.
Sadly, It isn't an arugment I can make with out living there, and understanding the whys and such of why certain things are done as they are.
It would be folly to assume we can know everything about everyone else or their reasoning.
So, No I cannot disagree with him out of that reguard. I can only disagree with the fact that a young child did deserve something more. However, I could also say, why were the parents allowing a young child to walk about by theirself on a street?
There is no winner in the arugment, only a poor child that lost their life, due to reasons we will never fully know.
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On October 18 2011 11:20 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:16 TOloseGT wrote:On October 18 2011 11:12 FFGenerations wrote:On October 18 2011 10:47 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 10:44 FFGenerations wrote:
dont you think this is fearmongering tho Blasterion? ie it happened in one or a handful of televised cases and people shouldnt take it to heart? so next time someone says "oh you should BLAH BLAH because i heard BLAH on the news and its awwwful i know but..." you should just be like "i dont give a flying fuck, ill do what i want to do, maybe there is a 0.001% chance itll screw me over but that can go fuck itself" If it's even a 0.001% chance I'd screw over my family. then I am no going to risk it. + Show Spoiler +so do you smoke? do you wear lights when you walk in the evening? do you drink alcohol? do you go to gym every other day and eat a perfect diet? do you keep your kid on a leash so she doesnt wander off (americans do this)?
at the end of the day people will do whatever they do, but you need to keep your choices in perspective with one another and recognise irregularities so you can move towards a well-defined set of values rather than letting yourself be brainwashed day upon day based on retarded things like "in 2006 this one time this one judge made this call that i completely disagree with and so do most people but im still gonna go along with it"
its PATHETIC how people let themselves be lead up one street and then the other . you should know what values you believe in and adhere to it. otherwise what worth and integrity do you have? you really are a sheep or a poodle of anyone and everyone around you. you are just a lump of meat taking consolation in your tiny little corner in the world until you die or until your situation forces change, upon which you latch like a leech upon the next control that is set on your head like a collar by some other man
i was actually wrong in my last post to some extent. when we were cave men we had a very social and solidarity lifestyle but, of course, we raped and murdered the shit out of other tribes whenever they came near and then wore their severed heads as relics.
so the same shit happens between nations, it happens between ethnicity, religion, it happens between people who live on one side of a rock and the other, it happens between individuals.
but it is not something we should be advocating after fucking 1 million years of social evolution. we are unique in that we can make our own CHOICE and recognise when we are brainwashed by others and recognised when we are brainwashed by our own emotional state.
that is why millions of people every day say GO FUCK YOURSELF to these dumb fake values and age-old idiocies that we still believe in as if they are the fucking perfect resolution for our confusing lives.
Uh, you're right that we can think for ourselves, and that's exactly what some of us are doing. While there are people who risk their livelihood for a stranger, there are others who weigh the pros and cons. I'd be more inclined to say that the people who rush into everything without a thought are the ones who haven't evolved past primal instinct. The ones calculating the odds are the ones who are actually using their brains. Again, you only say that cause you've lived a sheltered life, and quiet honestly since we're on this forum, bad at computer games. When someone is about to jump you in the street good luck weighting pros and cons.
What the fuck, this shit disgusts me. You just take a fucking seat on your high horse and look down at everyone who doesnt agree with you, calling them 'sheltered' or even 'scum'
what the fuck is wrong with you? You have NO fucking idea what kind of life chinese people have to live. You dont understand that kind of fear being bred and festering in a corrupt environment for years. What the FUCK gives you the right to judge when you never have and probably never WILL be in that exact situation?
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On October 18 2011 11:24 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:22 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:20 justsayinbro wrote:On October 18 2011 11:19 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:15 Xinliben wrote:On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote:
We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own. Altruism is one of the main characteristics of being a human being. You are less then a human being. When your two year old child is dying in the street bleeding to death and crying in pain, and someone walks by and says "Wow, I'd love to help but I need to get home for dinner!" Please come and defend that person, I'd love to see it. Get off your moral high horse. You foreigners have no place to say anything. She can cry and scream all she have to, My 1st duty as a human being and as a man goes to my family If I have to risk my family and their future for that one girl, then it is most unfortunate for her do you honestly think that little girl would have sued the rescuer for helping her live? not everyone sues because they can. Worth it to risk it? I think not if only this girl was a fish maybe you'd give a fuck http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=276452#2
Maybe, but she isn't. Like I said, I am willing to help, but the legal liability make me cautious
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