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Actually this happens pretty much in every bigger country and when I say bigger I mean on largely crowded cities. For some reason whether its the herd mentality or people too out of reality it always happens and its not just in China. I've seen videos from different countries where people just walk by an injured person or person in need of some sort of help!
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Would someone mind linking to somewhere where I could read a bit about this 06' decision I keep hearing about. From this thread it seems that some party is responsible for paying 40% of the medical bills, but I would certainly hope the person who happens to help is not held for that because that would make no sense.
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On October 18 2011 11:42 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:35 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:32 Ryuu314 wrote:On October 18 2011 11:29 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:23 Ryuu314 wrote:On October 18 2011 11:22 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:19 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:15 Xinliben wrote:On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote:
We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own. Altruism is one of the main characteristics of being a human being. You are less then a human being. When your two year old child is dying in the street bleeding to death and crying in pain, and someone walks by and says "Wow, I'd love to help but I need to get home for dinner!" Please come and defend that person, I'd love to see it. Get off your moral high horse. You foreigners have no place to say anything. She can cry and scream all she have to, My 1st duty as a human being and as a man goes to my family If I have to risk my family and their future for that one girl, then it is most unfortunate for her oh stfu you live in the US and i lived in a commie country myself. You don't run no risk anyway if there is a camera there's proof of your innocence and if there isn't one noone is holding you down when you hear the sirens. Read up on the '06 ruling please. you should read it. And read my post. And think. I've read it. And I've read every one of your posts. All your posts are angry, no-content attacks on other posters from your high horse. Every one of your posts makes it seem like you have no idea what the '06 decision is even about or what it says. You're ignorant and I honestly think half your posts are utter bs. I'm not defending the actions of the people in the video. But I do understand the context of what they have to live through and deal with. Would I do the same? I don't know; I don't think so. I think I'll help the girl, but again, I don't live in that environment, and neither do you. Calm yo tits. Since you're clearly stupid i'll explain step by step how you should act in this situation in china. Call 911 and help the girl out any way you can. Unless ure a medical expert all you can do is try to stop the bleeding if it's obvious how to, and block the road. When you hear the police sirens you walk away. Fucking hell don't walk away, let them try to prove that it's your boots have a tire pattern on them. Now if you actually read the 06 decision and have a decent knowledge of how Chinese courts and government works, you'll know that once you do all that, you can get sued and you will lose despite everything you've done and the camera footage. If you walk away, police track you down and you get fucked anyways. What I don't think you get is that courts in China don't necessarily work on the process of evidence. Whatever the fuck the judge says, goes. They don't need proof, they don't need evidence. There is a reason why there are only FOUR practicing lawyers in all of China that aren't CCP members. Courts there are more fucked up than you clearly know.
How will they track you down if there is no cameras?
If they didn't need proof or evidence they wouldnt give a fuck and rule in favor of that grandmother that tripped.
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On October 18 2011 11:46 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:42 Ryuu314 wrote:On October 18 2011 11:35 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:32 Ryuu314 wrote:On October 18 2011 11:29 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:23 Ryuu314 wrote:On October 18 2011 11:22 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:19 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:15 Xinliben wrote:On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote:
We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own. Altruism is one of the main characteristics of being a human being. You are less then a human being. When your two year old child is dying in the street bleeding to death and crying in pain, and someone walks by and says "Wow, I'd love to help but I need to get home for dinner!" Please come and defend that person, I'd love to see it. Get off your moral high horse. You foreigners have no place to say anything. She can cry and scream all she have to, My 1st duty as a human being and as a man goes to my family If I have to risk my family and their future for that one girl, then it is most unfortunate for her oh stfu you live in the US and i lived in a commie country myself. You don't run no risk anyway if there is a camera there's proof of your innocence and if there isn't one noone is holding you down when you hear the sirens. Read up on the '06 ruling please. you should read it. And read my post. And think. I've read it. And I've read every one of your posts. All your posts are angry, no-content attacks on other posters from your high horse. Every one of your posts makes it seem like you have no idea what the '06 decision is even about or what it says. You're ignorant and I honestly think half your posts are utter bs. I'm not defending the actions of the people in the video. But I do understand the context of what they have to live through and deal with. Would I do the same? I don't know; I don't think so. I think I'll help the girl, but again, I don't live in that environment, and neither do you. Calm yo tits. Since you're clearly stupid i'll explain step by step how you should act in this situation in china. Call 911 and help the girl out any way you can. Unless ure a medical expert all you can do is try to stop the bleeding if it's obvious how to, and block the road. When you hear the police sirens you walk away. Fucking hell don't walk away, let them try to prove that it's your boots have a tire pattern on them. Now if you actually read the 06 decision and have a decent knowledge of how Chinese courts and government works, you'll know that once you do all that, you can get sued and you will lose despite everything you've done and the camera footage. If you walk away, police track you down and you get fucked anyways. What I don't think you get is that courts in China don't necessarily work on the process of evidence. Whatever the fuck the judge says, goes. They don't need proof, they don't need evidence. There is a reason why there are only FOUR practicing lawyers in all of China that aren't CCP members. Courts there are more fucked up than you clearly know. How will they track you down if there is no cameras? If they didn't need proof or evidence they wouldnt give a fuck and rule in favor of that grandmother that tripped.
What are you talking about? There are cameras... How else did we get footage of this???
Or they wouldn't give a fuck and rule against the grandmother that tripped. I really don't understand your logic.
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On October 18 2011 11:45 Jonoman92 wrote:
Would someone mind linking to somewhere where I could read a bit about this 06' decision I keep hearing about. From this thread it seems that some party is responsible for paying 40% of the medical bills, but I would certainly hope the person who happens to help is not held for that because that would make no sense.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/opinion/2011-01/05/content_11794724.htm
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Well, I've read the few pages and it seems to have gotten to the topic of Chinese being savages, but all I can think about after seeing that is how sad it is for the parents and how awful it is for that little girl... my heart goes out to her.
For those wondering, the most relevant excerpt from the 2006 case in the article above
There was a precedent for this. On Nov 20, 2006, an old woman fell to the ground and broke her leg after jostling at a bus stop in Nanjing, an eastern China city. A young man, Peng Yu, helped her up and escorted her to hospital. Later the woman and her family dragged the man to court, which ruled that the young man should pay 40 percent of the medical costs. The court said the decision was reached by reasoning. The verdict said that "according to common sense", it was highly possible that the defendant had bumped into the old woman, given that he was the first person to get off the bus when the old woman was pushed down in front of the bus door and, "according to what one would normally do in this case", Peng would have left soon after sending the woman to the hospital instead of staying there for the surgical check. "His behavior obviously went against common sense."
This "reasoning" horrified, and angered, the whole nation. From then on, the number of pedestrians helping old people in need has dramatically decreased. Using search engines online, one can get dozens of stories of old people left lying on the ground without any passers-by giving a helping hand. Netizens have even coined a new phrase for it - "sequel of the Peng Yu case".
In the wake of this case old people also learned the way to get help was to shout a disclaimer for the would-be helpers. On Feb 22, 2009, a 75-year-old man fell to the ground when disembarking from a bus, also in Nanjing. Once again, nobody dared to touch him. In desperation, the old man shouted: "It is not anybody's fault. I fell by myself." At the words, everybody nearby came with all kinds of help.
In fact, most people feel compassion for the weak. But the frequent occurrence of extortion and blackmail after a passer-by has offered help has deterred people from acting as a Good Samaritan. Something has to be done to change the situation.
We may learn from the US experience.
In a 2004 traffic crash, a woman pulled a coworker from a car fearing a possible explosion. The injured person later filed a lawsuit against the rescuer, claiming that the improper way she was pulled from the car caused her paralysis. The court ruled in favor of the plaintiff. The ruling got "condemned from coast to coast" for its obvious unfairness. In June 2009, the California legislature passed the Good Samaritan Protection Act, which immunizes Good Samaritans from liability when they assist others at the scene of an emergency. The plaintiff withdrew the suit.
We Chinese also need such a law so that "Good Samaritans should never again have to second-guess the consequences of helping", as said by one California senator after the law was passed.
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On October 18 2011 11:27 T0fuuu wrote:
Right. I'll remember how cultured and civilised the Americans are then next time yet another video of US troops executing civilians comes out and then blame it on American culture/Law and capitalism and all that stuff.
Horrifying yeah but get over it. If someone got hit by a truck, their guts open and their legs smashed, mouth gaping like a gold fish as they choke on their own blood, I somehow doubt I would go hero mode and pull them away. People dont like death and blood and will avoid it whenever they can.
Judging from your post I would say it's likely you're among the psychopath population of TL.
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On October 18 2011 11:35 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:32 Ryuu314 wrote:On October 18 2011 11:29 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:23 Ryuu314 wrote:On October 18 2011 11:22 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:19 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:15 Xinliben wrote:On October 18 2011 10:11 Blasterion wrote:
We're not saying not to help them, but you gotta be cautious to help people in China, Their lives are not as important as your own. Altruism is one of the main characteristics of being a human being. You are less then a human being. When your two year old child is dying in the street bleeding to death and crying in pain, and someone walks by and says "Wow, I'd love to help but I need to get home for dinner!" Please come and defend that person, I'd love to see it. Get off your moral high horse. You foreigners have no place to say anything. She can cry and scream all she have to, My 1st duty as a human being and as a man goes to my family If I have to risk my family and their future for that one girl, then it is most unfortunate for her oh stfu you live in the US and i lived in a commie country myself. You don't run no risk anyway if there is a camera there's proof of your innocence and if there isn't one noone is holding you down when you hear the sirens. Read up on the '06 ruling please. you should read it. And read my post. And think. I've read it. And I've read every one of your posts. All your posts are angry, no-content attacks on other posters from your high horse. Every one of your posts makes it seem like you have no idea what the '06 decision is even about or what it says. You're ignorant and I honestly think half your posts are utter bs. I'm not defending the actions of the people in the video. But I do understand the context of what they have to live through and deal with. Would I do the same? I don't know; I don't think so. I think I'll help the girl, but again, I don't live in that environment, and neither do you. Calm yo tits. Since you're clearly stupid i'll explain step by step how you should act in this situation in china. Call 911 and help the girl out any way you can. Unless ure a medical expert all you can do is try to stop the bleeding if it's obvious how to, and block the road. When you hear the police sirens you walk away. Fucking hell don't walk away, let them try to prove that it's your boots have a tire pattern on them.
And then they bring you with the kid to the hospital and say that they wont treat her unless somebody pays. You have no way of contacting the parents. It's a horrible system, but that's how it is and you cant entirely blame the people for walking by. That's how my grandpa died 
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On October 18 2011 11:46 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:44 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:38 TheAntZ wrote:On October 18 2011 11:28 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:25 TheAntZ wrote:On October 18 2011 11:20 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:16 TOloseGT wrote:On October 18 2011 11:12 FFGenerations wrote:On October 18 2011 10:47 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 10:44 FFGenerations wrote:
dont you think this is fearmongering tho Blasterion? ie it happened in one or a handful of televised cases and people shouldnt take it to heart? so next time someone says "oh you should BLAH BLAH because i heard BLAH on the news and its awwwful i know but..." you should just be like "i dont give a flying fuck, ill do what i want to do, maybe there is a 0.001% chance itll screw me over but that can go fuck itself" If it's even a 0.001% chance I'd screw over my family. then I am no going to risk it. + Show Spoiler +so do you smoke? do you wear lights when you walk in the evening? do you drink alcohol? do you go to gym every other day and eat a perfect diet? do you keep your kid on a leash so she doesnt wander off (americans do this)?
at the end of the day people will do whatever they do, but you need to keep your choices in perspective with one another and recognise irregularities so you can move towards a well-defined set of values rather than letting yourself be brainwashed day upon day based on retarded things like "in 2006 this one time this one judge made this call that i completely disagree with and so do most people but im still gonna go along with it"
its PATHETIC how people let themselves be lead up one street and then the other . you should know what values you believe in and adhere to it. otherwise what worth and integrity do you have? you really are a sheep or a poodle of anyone and everyone around you. you are just a lump of meat taking consolation in your tiny little corner in the world until you die or until your situation forces change, upon which you latch like a leech upon the next control that is set on your head like a collar by some other man
i was actually wrong in my last post to some extent. when we were cave men we had a very social and solidarity lifestyle but, of course, we raped and murdered the shit out of other tribes whenever they came near and then wore their severed heads as relics.
so the same shit happens between nations, it happens between ethnicity, religion, it happens between people who live on one side of a rock and the other, it happens between individuals.
but it is not something we should be advocating after fucking 1 million years of social evolution. we are unique in that we can make our own CHOICE and recognise when we are brainwashed by others and recognised when we are brainwashed by our own emotional state.
that is why millions of people every day say GO FUCK YOURSELF to these dumb fake values and age-old idiocies that we still believe in as if they are the fucking perfect resolution for our confusing lives.
Uh, you're right that we can think for ourselves, and that's exactly what some of us are doing. While there are people who risk their livelihood for a stranger, there are others who weigh the pros and cons. I'd be more inclined to say that the people who rush into everything without a thought are the ones who haven't evolved past primal instinct. The ones calculating the odds are the ones who are actually using their brains. Again, you only say that cause you've lived a sheltered life, and quiet honestly since we're on this forum, bad at computer games. When someone is about to jump you in the street good luck weighting pros and cons. What the fuck, this shit disgusts me. You just take a fucking seat on your high horse and look down at everyone who doesnt agree with you, calling them 'sheltered' or even 'scum' what the fuck is wrong with you? You have NO fucking idea what kind of life chinese people have to live. You dont understand that kind of fear being bred and festering in a corrupt environment for years. What the FUCK gives you the right to judge when you never have and probably never WILL be in that exact situation? lol. I've lived in belarus for half my life. I understand that shit better then you. I've lived my entire life here in bangladesh, a third world country where law is more for show than use. Trust me, i understand what its like being raised and told from a young age to fear something and avoid it. Maybe not the same things the chinese have learned to fear, but i understand the situation of accepting atrocities as something that WILL happen to you if you dont react a certain way and defend yourself from it. You seem too idealistic to have grown up in a place where 1 mistake could mean you or your family are fucked for life. I think there is no other way to live, especially in a place like that. When you have nothing, you only have your humanity to live with.
Fucking hell don't walk away, let them try to prove that it's your boots have a tire pattern on them.
And its this kinda naive shit that makes me think that How is it naive. If they give a fuck about the granny that got knocked over clearly their law system is way more advanced then the one in bangladesh or belarus. If that's not true, by all means, i did mention the option to walk away. yea, well see, that's kinda the crux of the issue. In china, the legal system is fucked up. They don't give a shit about proof. Whatever the judges say goes.
Again this is simply not true since the case was ruled in favor of the old woman.
maybe some people need to learn to bribe people, that's the worst case scenario.
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On October 18 2011 11:39 SeizeTheDay wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:27 T0fuuu wrote:
Right. I'll remember how cultured and civilised the Americans are then next time yet another video of US troops executing civilians comes out and then blame it on American culture/Law and capitalism and all that stuff.
Horrifying yeah but get over it. If someone got hit by a truck, their guts open and their legs smashed, mouth gaping like a gold fish as they choke on their own blood, I somehow doubt I would go hero mode and pull them away. People dont like death and blood and will avoid it whenever they can. Here is the problem that I think a lot of people that are not American think.
It is a sarcastic comment on how people jump to conclusions. I dont actually think all americans are souless murderers that kill for sport.
Its brave that you could stand by someone dying in a hospital but thats a bit different to someone dieing from a violent death. Its admirable that you can do it but do people ever die alone in your hospital? Not all people are like that.
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On October 18 2011 11:42 T0fuuu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:31 bkrow wrote:
Why characterise an ENTIRE nation of people based on the actions of their military during war time? I am not even American and your post offends me. It is this EXACT attitude that is the problem; human life should be the number 1 priority; full stop. Roflmao. Do you think people arent offended by the op labelling chinese society as inhumane over 1 accident? Get over yourself. People will characterise entire nations over 1 event just as not all people will dive in and pull bodies out of a trainwreck. Next time you see a car accident and see people filming it on their phones I hope you realise how few people share your view.
On October 18 2011 11:43 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:39 bkrow wrote:On October 18 2011 11:34 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:31 bkrow wrote:On October 18 2011 11:27 T0fuuu wrote:
Right. I'll remember how cultured and civilised the Americans are then next time yet another video of US troops executing civilians comes out and then blame it on American culture/Law and capitalism and all that stuff.
Horrifying yeah but get over it. If someone got hit by a truck, their guts open and their legs smashed, mouth gaping like a gold fish as they choke on their own blood, I somehow doubt I would go hero mode and pull them away. People dont like death and blood and will avoid it whenever they can. Way to generalise absolutely every concept possible that is related to this topic and add a little bit of "US hate" to it as well. Why characterise an ENTIRE nation of people based on the actions of their military during war time? I am not even American and your post offends me. It is this EXACT attitude that is the problem; human life should be the number 1 priority; full stop. It's funny how you foreigners do the same to us all the time, but we aren't allowed to say the same to you. "You foreigners?" The point of my post was to focus on the individual's actions rather than generalising an entire country needlessly. I try my best not to generalise "you Chinese" people and present a fair opinion. It's like saying i might type a perfectly accurate and convincing post but you aren't going to believe it because i am a foreigner. I am not trying to attack your opinion, i am trying to have a discussion about the topic and someone waltzing in and posting "Next time the US goes to war we will see who is laughing!?" isn't really contributing anything. I'll remember your post when the next person post some chinese hate garbage and is location labeled United States or some European country, funny I see that a lot.
I am not saying it doesn't happen; that isn't the point - obviously people generalise. The point is that it shouldn't happen and it doesn't add anything to discussion by saying "You Americans don't get a point of view because your army killed some people!" Like if your location is the US on your profile don't even BOTHER coming in this thread because you don't get an opinion?
edit: oh and again - "your foreigners" -- what is that?
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On October 18 2011 11:34 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:31 bkrow wrote:On October 18 2011 11:27 T0fuuu wrote:
Right. I'll remember how cultured and civilised the Americans are then next time yet another video of US troops executing civilians comes out and then blame it on American culture/Law and capitalism and all that stuff.
Horrifying yeah but get over it. If someone got hit by a truck, their guts open and their legs smashed, mouth gaping like a gold fish as they choke on their own blood, I somehow doubt I would go hero mode and pull them away. People dont like death and blood and will avoid it whenever they can. Way to generalise absolutely every concept possible that is related to this topic and add a little bit of "US hate" to it as well. Why characterise an ENTIRE nation of people based on the actions of their military during war time? I am not even American and your post offends me. It is this EXACT attitude that is the problem; human life should be the number 1 priority; full stop. It's funny how you foreigners do the same to us all the time, but we aren't allowed to say the same to you.
Generalization of the characteristics of a subset of a population to represent the entire population. Typical moron.
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On October 18 2011 11:46 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:44 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:38 TheAntZ wrote:On October 18 2011 11:28 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:25 TheAntZ wrote:On October 18 2011 11:20 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:16 TOloseGT wrote:On October 18 2011 11:12 FFGenerations wrote:On October 18 2011 10:47 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 10:44 FFGenerations wrote:
dont you think this is fearmongering tho Blasterion? ie it happened in one or a handful of televised cases and people shouldnt take it to heart? so next time someone says "oh you should BLAH BLAH because i heard BLAH on the news and its awwwful i know but..." you should just be like "i dont give a flying fuck, ill do what i want to do, maybe there is a 0.001% chance itll screw me over but that can go fuck itself" If it's even a 0.001% chance I'd screw over my family. then I am no going to risk it. + Show Spoiler +so do you smoke? do you wear lights when you walk in the evening? do you drink alcohol? do you go to gym every other day and eat a perfect diet? do you keep your kid on a leash so she doesnt wander off (americans do this)?
at the end of the day people will do whatever they do, but you need to keep your choices in perspective with one another and recognise irregularities so you can move towards a well-defined set of values rather than letting yourself be brainwashed day upon day based on retarded things like "in 2006 this one time this one judge made this call that i completely disagree with and so do most people but im still gonna go along with it"
its PATHETIC how people let themselves be lead up one street and then the other . you should know what values you believe in and adhere to it. otherwise what worth and integrity do you have? you really are a sheep or a poodle of anyone and everyone around you. you are just a lump of meat taking consolation in your tiny little corner in the world until you die or until your situation forces change, upon which you latch like a leech upon the next control that is set on your head like a collar by some other man
i was actually wrong in my last post to some extent. when we were cave men we had a very social and solidarity lifestyle but, of course, we raped and murdered the shit out of other tribes whenever they came near and then wore their severed heads as relics.
so the same shit happens between nations, it happens between ethnicity, religion, it happens between people who live on one side of a rock and the other, it happens between individuals.
but it is not something we should be advocating after fucking 1 million years of social evolution. we are unique in that we can make our own CHOICE and recognise when we are brainwashed by others and recognised when we are brainwashed by our own emotional state.
that is why millions of people every day say GO FUCK YOURSELF to these dumb fake values and age-old idiocies that we still believe in as if they are the fucking perfect resolution for our confusing lives.
Uh, you're right that we can think for ourselves, and that's exactly what some of us are doing. While there are people who risk their livelihood for a stranger, there are others who weigh the pros and cons. I'd be more inclined to say that the people who rush into everything without a thought are the ones who haven't evolved past primal instinct. The ones calculating the odds are the ones who are actually using their brains. Again, you only say that cause you've lived a sheltered life, and quiet honestly since we're on this forum, bad at computer games. When someone is about to jump you in the street good luck weighting pros and cons. What the fuck, this shit disgusts me. You just take a fucking seat on your high horse and look down at everyone who doesnt agree with you, calling them 'sheltered' or even 'scum' what the fuck is wrong with you? You have NO fucking idea what kind of life chinese people have to live. You dont understand that kind of fear being bred and festering in a corrupt environment for years. What the FUCK gives you the right to judge when you never have and probably never WILL be in that exact situation? lol. I've lived in belarus for half my life. I understand that shit better then you. I've lived my entire life here in bangladesh, a third world country where law is more for show than use. Trust me, i understand what its like being raised and told from a young age to fear something and avoid it. Maybe not the same things the chinese have learned to fear, but i understand the situation of accepting atrocities as something that WILL happen to you if you dont react a certain way and defend yourself from it. You seem too idealistic to have grown up in a place where 1 mistake could mean you or your family are fucked for life. I think there is no other way to live, especially in a place like that. When you have nothing, you only have your humanity to live with.
Fucking hell don't walk away, let them try to prove that it's your boots have a tire pattern on them.
And its this kinda naive shit that makes me think that How is it naive. If they give a fuck about the granny that got knocked over clearly their law system is way more advanced then the one in bangladesh or belarus. If that's not true, by all means, i did mention the option to walk away. yea, well see, that's kinda the crux of the issue. In china, the legal system is fucked up. They don't give a shit about proof. Whatever the judges say goes.
This isn't any different in any other country, you get to the High Court/Supreme Court/Whatever and the judgment is final, what the judge says goes indeed ...
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On October 18 2011 11:46 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:46 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:42 Ryuu314 wrote:On October 18 2011 11:35 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:32 Ryuu314 wrote:On October 18 2011 11:29 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:23 Ryuu314 wrote:On October 18 2011 11:22 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:19 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:15 Xinliben wrote:
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Altruism is one of the main characteristics of being a human being. You are less then a human being. When your two year old child is dying in the street bleeding to death and crying in pain, and someone walks by and says "Wow, I'd love to help but I need to get home for dinner!" Please come and defend that person, I'd love to see it. Get off your moral high horse. You foreigners have no place to say anything. She can cry and scream all she have to, My 1st duty as a human being and as a man goes to my family If I have to risk my family and their future for that one girl, then it is most unfortunate for her oh stfu you live in the US and i lived in a commie country myself. You don't run no risk anyway if there is a camera there's proof of your innocence and if there isn't one noone is holding you down when you hear the sirens. Read up on the '06 ruling please. you should read it. And read my post. And think. I've read it. And I've read every one of your posts. All your posts are angry, no-content attacks on other posters from your high horse. Every one of your posts makes it seem like you have no idea what the '06 decision is even about or what it says. You're ignorant and I honestly think half your posts are utter bs. I'm not defending the actions of the people in the video. But I do understand the context of what they have to live through and deal with. Would I do the same? I don't know; I don't think so. I think I'll help the girl, but again, I don't live in that environment, and neither do you. Calm yo tits. Since you're clearly stupid i'll explain step by step how you should act in this situation in china. Call 911 and help the girl out any way you can. Unless ure a medical expert all you can do is try to stop the bleeding if it's obvious how to, and block the road. When you hear the police sirens you walk away. Fucking hell don't walk away, let them try to prove that it's your boots have a tire pattern on them. Now if you actually read the 06 decision and have a decent knowledge of how Chinese courts and government works, you'll know that once you do all that, you can get sued and you will lose despite everything you've done and the camera footage. If you walk away, police track you down and you get fucked anyways. What I don't think you get is that courts in China don't necessarily work on the process of evidence. Whatever the fuck the judge says, goes. They don't need proof, they don't need evidence. There is a reason why there are only FOUR practicing lawyers in all of China that aren't CCP members. Courts there are more fucked up than you clearly know. How will they track you down if there is no cameras? If they didn't need proof or evidence they wouldnt give a fuck and rule in favor of that grandmother that tripped. What are you talking about? There are cameras... How else did we get footage of this??? Or they wouldn't give a fuck and rule against the grandmother that tripped. I really don't understand your logic.
In a true country with lawless judges they would tell the gramma to take a hike and not waste court's time.
And about cameras, good grief, use ur brain some im not here to babysit you logically.
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Sorry about that mods, I just really had to blow some steam there.
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Edited my first post, I did not mean to offend anyone. I was obviously frustrated at the current situation, and I might have used strong words to convey my message.
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On October 18 2011 11:49 arbitrageur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:34 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:31 bkrow wrote:On October 18 2011 11:27 T0fuuu wrote:
Right. I'll remember how cultured and civilised the Americans are then next time yet another video of US troops executing civilians comes out and then blame it on American culture/Law and capitalism and all that stuff.
Horrifying yeah but get over it. If someone got hit by a truck, their guts open and their legs smashed, mouth gaping like a gold fish as they choke on their own blood, I somehow doubt I would go hero mode and pull them away. People dont like death and blood and will avoid it whenever they can. Way to generalise absolutely every concept possible that is related to this topic and add a little bit of "US hate" to it as well. Why characterise an ENTIRE nation of people based on the actions of their military during war time? I am not even American and your post offends me. It is this EXACT attitude that is the problem; human life should be the number 1 priority; full stop. It's funny how you foreigners do the same to us all the time, but we aren't allowed to say the same to you. Generalization of the characteristics of a subset of a population to represent the entire population. Typical moron.
Generalization of a single post to represent the entire person. Typical moron indeed, good sir.
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On October 18 2011 11:44 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:38 TheAntZ wrote:On October 18 2011 11:28 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:25 TheAntZ wrote:On October 18 2011 11:20 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:16 TOloseGT wrote:On October 18 2011 11:12 FFGenerations wrote:On October 18 2011 10:47 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 10:44 FFGenerations wrote:
dont you think this is fearmongering tho Blasterion? ie it happened in one or a handful of televised cases and people shouldnt take it to heart? so next time someone says "oh you should BLAH BLAH because i heard BLAH on the news and its awwwful i know but..." you should just be like "i dont give a flying fuck, ill do what i want to do, maybe there is a 0.001% chance itll screw me over but that can go fuck itself" If it's even a 0.001% chance I'd screw over my family. then I am no going to risk it. + Show Spoiler +so do you smoke? do you wear lights when you walk in the evening? do you drink alcohol? do you go to gym every other day and eat a perfect diet? do you keep your kid on a leash so she doesnt wander off (americans do this)?
at the end of the day people will do whatever they do, but you need to keep your choices in perspective with one another and recognise irregularities so you can move towards a well-defined set of values rather than letting yourself be brainwashed day upon day based on retarded things like "in 2006 this one time this one judge made this call that i completely disagree with and so do most people but im still gonna go along with it"
its PATHETIC how people let themselves be lead up one street and then the other . you should know what values you believe in and adhere to it. otherwise what worth and integrity do you have? you really are a sheep or a poodle of anyone and everyone around you. you are just a lump of meat taking consolation in your tiny little corner in the world until you die or until your situation forces change, upon which you latch like a leech upon the next control that is set on your head like a collar by some other man
i was actually wrong in my last post to some extent. when we were cave men we had a very social and solidarity lifestyle but, of course, we raped and murdered the shit out of other tribes whenever they came near and then wore their severed heads as relics.
so the same shit happens between nations, it happens between ethnicity, religion, it happens between people who live on one side of a rock and the other, it happens between individuals.
but it is not something we should be advocating after fucking 1 million years of social evolution. we are unique in that we can make our own CHOICE and recognise when we are brainwashed by others and recognised when we are brainwashed by our own emotional state.
that is why millions of people every day say GO FUCK YOURSELF to these dumb fake values and age-old idiocies that we still believe in as if they are the fucking perfect resolution for our confusing lives.
Uh, you're right that we can think for ourselves, and that's exactly what some of us are doing. While there are people who risk their livelihood for a stranger, there are others who weigh the pros and cons. I'd be more inclined to say that the people who rush into everything without a thought are the ones who haven't evolved past primal instinct. The ones calculating the odds are the ones who are actually using their brains. Again, you only say that cause you've lived a sheltered life, and quiet honestly since we're on this forum, bad at computer games. When someone is about to jump you in the street good luck weighting pros and cons. What the fuck, this shit disgusts me. You just take a fucking seat on your high horse and look down at everyone who doesnt agree with you, calling them 'sheltered' or even 'scum' what the fuck is wrong with you? You have NO fucking idea what kind of life chinese people have to live. You dont understand that kind of fear being bred and festering in a corrupt environment for years. What the FUCK gives you the right to judge when you never have and probably never WILL be in that exact situation? lol. I've lived in belarus for half my life. I understand that shit better then you. I've lived my entire life here in bangladesh, a third world country where law is more for show than use. Trust me, i understand what its like being raised and told from a young age to fear something and avoid it. Maybe not the same things the chinese have learned to fear, but i understand the situation of accepting atrocities as something that WILL happen to you if you dont react a certain way and defend yourself from it. You seem too idealistic to have grown up in a place where 1 mistake could mean you or your family are fucked for life. I think there is no other way to live, especially in a place like that. When you have nothing, you only have your humanity to live with. Show nested quote +
Fucking hell don't walk away, let them try to prove that it's your boots have a tire pattern on them.
And its this kinda naive shit that makes me think that How is it naive. If they give a fuck about the granny that got knocked over clearly their law system is way more advanced then the one in bangladesh or belarus. If that's not true, by all means, i did mention the option to walk away.
Thats the thing, its not that you have nothing, but that you could lose everything, not just for yourself but for your family. I think if noones relying on you to keep them alive and support them, and the only reason you arent helping someone is that you are watching out for your own hide, thats pretty scummy. Still logical, but scummy. But I dont think its scummy to value your families lives above those of strangers.
Though you do bring up a good point about helping and just walking away, theres still the risk of getting caught in the process by the authorities, and being framed.
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I don't think anyone quite understands the 06 decision very well. It based on "reasoning" that the guy (peng yu) was the first person off the bus and had a "reasonable chance" of being the person that knocked the old lady over. There was no proof, no evidence, just "reasoning" based on his actions after the lady broke her leg.
There's the off chance that if you helped, they could "reason" that you're directly responsible for some part of the injury and damage caused and you'll be punished for trying to help. Until a Good Samaritan law is passed, I'll stand by the opinion that while the bystanders and passerby's will be reviled, they were acting in their own best interests.
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Let's just say the law shouldn't be encouraging the bystander effect >.>
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