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By everything, I mean the things people need to survive. A supply of food and clean water, shelter and clothes.
And yet again you are judging others because you and your family dont think that way. Because you cant comprehend it, since you've never been in a situation even close to that shit. You're calling out people for acting a certain way in a certain situation, but if you were in that situation, or a different situation with a similar threat looming over it, how would you react?
You say you'd be a fucking hero, we have only your word for that. Even YOU dont fucking know how you'd act then. You can sit there high and mighty as fuck and say you know you'd be clark kent, because you think you would, but its never happened yet, so you cant say that as if it were fact.
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On October 18 2011 11:58 Angra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:27 T0fuuu wrote:
Right. I'll remember how cultured and civilised the Americans are then next time yet another video of US troops executing civilians comes out and then blame it on American culture/Law and capitalism and all that stuff.
Horrifying yeah but get over it. If someone got hit by a truck, their guts open and their legs smashed, mouth gaping like a gold fish as they choke on their own blood, I somehow doubt I would go hero mode and pull them away. People dont like death and blood and will avoid it whenever they can. lol what the fuck dude? I'm so tired of seeing people randomly bash other countries ( specifically the US) on this forum
You haven't been here long enough
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On October 18 2011 11:58 Phybur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:55 lariat wrote:
Everyone who claims that this is inhumane is incredibly naive and oblivious to scientific fact. Psychological studies have dictated that, when confronted with a crisis situation, inaction is the rule, not the exception. Don't hate people for doing this, or act snobbishly. They--and you--are only human. wrong. in the early 90s I was witness to a fatal motorcycle crash and 2 fatal car crash incidents. time stopped during all 3 of these events for everyone. it seemed like everyone got out of there cars and rushed over to help/call the authorities using PAY PHONES. I dont know what is going in this day and age...but something is backwards
Anecdotal evidence always holds up well in any form of argument, /sarcasm.
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I remember China having a 1 child per couple law. If a current child dies, would couples be eligible to have another child?
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On October 18 2011 11:59 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:56 Reaper9 wrote:
I think there's a culture clash, and everyone needs to calm down. Seriously. Stop attacking one another, it's depressing. Chinese people look out for whom is related to them, but have a wariness of strangers. Americans... I know a few good ones, but it's look out for number one too. Don't joke about it, I'd know, my "friends" when I was in a pickle all just looked away, and laid all the blame on me. (And yes, they are white Americans, always blaming someone else, never themselves.) Ok, let's just state for the record right now: In every nation on earth there can be found both honorable, moral, empathetic human beings, and selfish, self-centered, unsympathetic individuals.
Exactly. I did mention that earlier. But now we are just snarling at each other across computer screens, let's relax a bit. I do agree with you. I agree, people should have helped. But I myself do not know if I would have in that moment. I sincerely hope I would have stepped in to help. But I am not in such a situation, so I cannot judge so easily.
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On October 18 2011 11:57 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:54 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:50 TheAntZ wrote:On October 18 2011 11:44 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:38 TheAntZ wrote:On October 18 2011 11:28 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:25 TheAntZ wrote:On October 18 2011 11:20 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:16 TOloseGT wrote:On October 18 2011 11:12 FFGenerations wrote:[quote] + Show Spoiler +so do you smoke? do you wear lights when you walk in the evening? do you drink alcohol? do you go to gym every other day and eat a perfect diet? do you keep your kid on a leash so she doesnt wander off (americans do this)?
at the end of the day people will do whatever they do, but you need to keep your choices in perspective with one another and recognise irregularities so you can move towards a well-defined set of values rather than letting yourself be brainwashed day upon day based on retarded things like "in 2006 this one time this one judge made this call that i completely disagree with and so do most people but im still gonna go along with it"
its PATHETIC how people let themselves be lead up one street and then the other . you should know what values you believe in and adhere to it. otherwise what worth and integrity do you have? you really are a sheep or a poodle of anyone and everyone around you. you are just a lump of meat taking consolation in your tiny little corner in the world until you die or until your situation forces change, upon which you latch like a leech upon the next control that is set on your head like a collar by some other man
i was actually wrong in my last post to some extent. when we were cave men we had a very social and solidarity lifestyle but, of course, we raped and murdered the shit out of other tribes whenever they came near and then wore their severed heads as relics.
so the same shit happens between nations, it happens between ethnicity, religion, it happens between people who live on one side of a rock and the other, it happens between individuals.
but it is not something we should be advocating after fucking 1 million years of social evolution. we are unique in that we can make our own CHOICE and recognise when we are brainwashed by others and recognised when we are brainwashed by our own emotional state.
that is why millions of people every day say GO FUCK YOURSELF to these dumb fake values and age-old idiocies that we still believe in as if they are the fucking perfect resolution for our confusing lives.
Uh, you're right that we can think for ourselves, and that's exactly what some of us are doing. While there are people who risk their livelihood for a stranger, there are others who weigh the pros and cons. I'd be more inclined to say that the people who rush into everything without a thought are the ones who haven't evolved past primal instinct. The ones calculating the odds are the ones who are actually using their brains. Again, you only say that cause you've lived a sheltered life, and quiet honestly since we're on this forum, bad at computer games. When someone is about to jump you in the street good luck weighting pros and cons. What the fuck, this shit disgusts me. You just take a fucking seat on your high horse and look down at everyone who doesnt agree with you, calling them 'sheltered' or even 'scum' what the fuck is wrong with you? You have NO fucking idea what kind of life chinese people have to live. You dont understand that kind of fear being bred and festering in a corrupt environment for years. What the FUCK gives you the right to judge when you never have and probably never WILL be in that exact situation? lol. I've lived in belarus for half my life. I understand that shit better then you. I've lived my entire life here in bangladesh, a third world country where law is more for show than use. Trust me, i understand what its like being raised and told from a young age to fear something and avoid it. Maybe not the same things the chinese have learned to fear, but i understand the situation of accepting atrocities as something that WILL happen to you if you dont react a certain way and defend yourself from it. You seem too idealistic to have grown up in a place where 1 mistake could mean you or your family are fucked for life. I think there is no other way to live, especially in a place like that. When you have nothing, you only have your humanity to live with.
Fucking hell don't walk away, let them try to prove that it's your boots have a tire pattern on them.
And its this kinda naive shit that makes me think that How is it naive. If they give a fuck about the granny that got knocked over clearly their law system is way more advanced then the one in bangladesh or belarus. If that's not true, by all means, i did mention the option to walk away. Thats the thing, its not that you have nothing, but that you could lose everything, not just for yourself but for your family. I think if noones relying on you to keep them alive and support them, and the only reason you arent helping someone is that you are watching out for your own hide, thats pretty scummy. Still logical, but scummy. But I dont think its scummy to value your families lives above those of strangers. Though you do bring up a good point about helping and just walking away, theres still the risk of getting caught in the process by the authorities, and being framed. Everything? What was everything? People was everything. You had nothing. People talking about their families and shit. By making it about them you make them murders. Go home tell your wife or your mother you walked away from a dying girl because of her? I dunno about your scumbag families but mine would denounce me for making them part to this atrocity. Cool your steam man, we obviously have different priorities, you have your duties to to that girl, I have duties to make sure my family has food on the table. Hey honestly if it came down to it, I'd do the shadiest things behind my family's back to make sure they're fed, clothed, and sheltered.
you'd do this to get a peace of mind for yourself, not for them.
That's what families are for, getting together through tough times.
Sometimes you gotta be more then yourself. Sometimes you have to put yourself in the shoes of the girl, her family, your family. What would they collectively want?
Hell if i went all my life hungry and knew that my father was a hero and saved a life?
I'll be damned if it's not worth it.
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On October 18 2011 11:59 DarthXX wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:58 Phybur wrote:On October 18 2011 11:55 lariat wrote:
Everyone who claims that this is inhumane is incredibly naive and oblivious to scientific fact. Psychological studies have dictated that, when confronted with a crisis situation, inaction is the rule, not the exception. Don't hate people for doing this, or act snobbishly. They--and you--are only human. wrong. in the early 90s I was witness to a fatal motorcycle crash and 2 fatal car crash incidents. time stopped during all 3 of these events for everyone. it seemed like everyone got out of there cars and rushed over to help/call the authorities using PAY PHONES. I dont know what is going in this day and age...but something is backwards Anecdotal evidence always holds up well in any form of argument, /sarcasm.
Exactly what I thought :S.
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A lot of people are horrible people, especially since I read in this thread that the VICTIMS family will blame the person HELPING so shit I wouldn't want to get sued either. I'm not that baffled to be completely honest, although I will say 4chan has made me immune to pretty much any type of video...
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Why the fuck did I watch this, I generally avoid these videos... Godamnit that is some sick shit.... ashamed to be Chinese after this.
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On October 18 2011 11:58 arbitrageur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:55 Caller wrote:On October 18 2011 11:53 arbitrageur wrote:On October 18 2011 11:50 Caller wrote:On October 18 2011 11:49 arbitrageur wrote:On October 18 2011 11:34 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:31 bkrow wrote:On October 18 2011 11:27 T0fuuu wrote:
Right. I'll remember how cultured and civilised the Americans are then next time yet another video of US troops executing civilians comes out and then blame it on American culture/Law and capitalism and all that stuff.
Horrifying yeah but get over it. If someone got hit by a truck, their guts open and their legs smashed, mouth gaping like a gold fish as they choke on their own blood, I somehow doubt I would go hero mode and pull them away. People dont like death and blood and will avoid it whenever they can. Way to generalise absolutely every concept possible that is related to this topic and add a little bit of "US hate" to it as well. Why characterise an ENTIRE nation of people based on the actions of their military during war time? I am not even American and your post offends me. It is this EXACT attitude that is the problem; human life should be the number 1 priority; full stop. It's funny how you foreigners do the same to us all the time, but we aren't allowed to say the same to you. Generalization of the characteristics of a subset of a population to represent the entire population. Typical moron. Generalization of a single post to represent the entire person. Typical moron indeed, good sir. All I did was say what he did (generalize), then claim that he's a moron according to my definition of what constitutes a moron. I made no such generalization that you've claimed I've made, unless you're employing a definition of "generalization" that I've never encountered before. If this is the case, I would like you to present this definition, otherwise I'll discard your criticism. You generalized his statement as being a generalization. Good sir. You still haven't provided your definition of what constitutes a generalization. I've ASSERTED that his statement is a generalization. I've also CATEGORIZED his statement into that which can be considered an attempt at generalization. But I don't understand what it means to "generalize his statement as being a generalization".
let me try this in your local dialect:
G'day mate. He made a statement about foreigners. You generalized that statement as being a normal generalization.
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On October 18 2011 11:57 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:55 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:53 Ryuu314 wrote:On October 18 2011 11:49 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:46 Ryuu314 wrote:On October 18 2011 11:46 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:42 Ryuu314 wrote:On October 18 2011 11:35 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:32 Ryuu314 wrote:On October 18 2011 11:29 Sfydjklm wrote:
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you should read it. And read my post. And think. I've read it. And I've read every one of your posts. All your posts are angry, no-content attacks on other posters from your high horse. Every one of your posts makes it seem like you have no idea what the '06 decision is even about or what it says. You're ignorant and I honestly think half your posts are utter bs. I'm not defending the actions of the people in the video. But I do understand the context of what they have to live through and deal with. Would I do the same? I don't know; I don't think so. I think I'll help the girl, but again, I don't live in that environment, and neither do you. Calm yo tits. Since you're clearly stupid i'll explain step by step how you should act in this situation in china. Call 911 and help the girl out any way you can. Unless ure a medical expert all you can do is try to stop the bleeding if it's obvious how to, and block the road. When you hear the police sirens you walk away. Fucking hell don't walk away, let them try to prove that it's your boots have a tire pattern on them. Now if you actually read the 06 decision and have a decent knowledge of how Chinese courts and government works, you'll know that once you do all that, you can get sued and you will lose despite everything you've done and the camera footage. If you walk away, police track you down and you get fucked anyways. What I don't think you get is that courts in China don't necessarily work on the process of evidence. Whatever the fuck the judge says, goes. They don't need proof, they don't need evidence. There is a reason why there are only FOUR practicing lawyers in all of China that aren't CCP members. Courts there are more fucked up than you clearly know. How will they track you down if there is no cameras? If they didn't need proof or evidence they wouldnt give a fuck and rule in favor of that grandmother that tripped. What are you talking about? There are cameras... How else did we get footage of this??? Or they wouldn't give a fuck and rule against the grandmother that tripped. I really don't understand your logic. In a true country with lawless judges they would tell the gramma to take a hike and not waste court's time. And about cameras, good grief, use ur brain some im not here to babysit you logically. No, they can do whatever the fuck they want using whatever the fuck reasoning they feel like. And what the fuck are you even talking about there being no cameras. There's fuckign camera footage of teh incident. What the fuck are you on? read a book. You really need to re-read this entire conversation and grow a brain. I specifically responded to your posts regarding camera footage as being proof that you didn't do anything. Then you respond to me saying there's no camera. What the fuck is this? A Matrix discussion? You're the one who clearly needs to read a fucking book.
i'm discussing the situation from the position of a passer by. Hence im exploring all possible avenues, including hypothetical.
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On October 18 2011 11:57 FFGenerations wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:33 TOloseGT wrote:On October 18 2011 11:26 bkrow wrote:On October 18 2011 11:16 TOloseGT wrote:On October 18 2011 11:12 FFGenerations wrote:On October 18 2011 10:47 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 10:44 FFGenerations wrote:
dont you think this is fearmongering tho Blasterion? ie it happened in one or a handful of televised cases and people shouldnt take it to heart? so next time someone says "oh you should BLAH BLAH because i heard BLAH on the news and its awwwful i know but..." you should just be like "i dont give a flying fuck, ill do what i want to do, maybe there is a 0.001% chance itll screw me over but that can go fuck itself" If it's even a 0.001% chance I'd screw over my family. then I am no going to risk it. + Show Spoiler +so do you smoke? do you wear lights when you walk in the evening? do you drink alcohol? do you go to gym every other day and eat a perfect diet? do you keep your kid on a leash so she doesnt wander off (americans do this)?
at the end of the day people will do whatever they do, but you need to keep your choices in perspective with one another and recognise irregularities so you can move towards a well-defined set of values rather than letting yourself be brainwashed day upon day based on retarded things like "in 2006 this one time this one judge made this call that i completely disagree with and so do most people but im still gonna go along with it"
its PATHETIC how people let themselves be lead up one street and then the other . you should know what values you believe in and adhere to it. otherwise what worth and integrity do you have? you really are a sheep or a poodle of anyone and everyone around you. you are just a lump of meat taking consolation in your tiny little corner in the world until you die or until your situation forces change, upon which you latch like a leech upon the next control that is set on your head like a collar by some other man
i was actually wrong in my last post to some extent. when we were cave men we had a very social and solidarity lifestyle but, of course, we raped and murdered the shit out of other tribes whenever they came near and then wore their severed heads as relics.
so the same shit happens between nations, it happens between ethnicity, religion, it happens between people who live on one side of a rock and the other, it happens between individuals.
but it is not something we should be advocating after fucking 1 million years of social evolution. we are unique in that we can make our own CHOICE and recognise when we are brainwashed by others and recognised when we are brainwashed by our own emotional state.
that is why millions of people every day say GO FUCK YOURSELF to these dumb fake values and age-old idiocies that we still believe in as if they are the fucking perfect resolution for our confusing lives.
Uh, you're right that we can think for ourselves, and that's exactly what some of us are doing. While there are people who risk their livelihood for a stranger, there are others who weigh the pros and cons. I'd be more inclined to say that the people who rush into everything without a thought are the ones who haven't evolved past primal instinct. The ones calculating the odds are the ones who are actually using their brains. I am not quite sure how you can just berate someone for taking the moral high ground and then claim that you, as the one who calculates the odds, use your brain and has evolved past primal instinct. In the view of many people your opinion is wrong - so don't act elitist and claim that we are inferior for disagreeing with you. You're rationalising a decision that the majority of people (Westerners i guess based on my location) consider to be wrong and in fact disgusting. You are not smarter because you weigh up the odds - you just hold your own needs above those of others; is this a bad thing? Maybe; but that is how you feel. You essentially value your own COMFORT (and no i am not saying LIFE because if you have to pay 40% of the bills, you are not going to die) above someone elses LIFE. If FF wants to berate the people walking past and call them lumps of meat, he'd better think of the consequences of what those "lumps of meat" might have to go through because of the Chinese justice system. And I never even implied that I am in anyway smarter. FF brought up brainwashing, and I'm making the point that maybe those people aren't brainwashed as much as they are just thinking rationally. You've made the assumption that acting on primal instincts implies stupidity, even when I made no such accusation. no its all brainwashing. the fact that you care about money and your kids having money is brainwashing. go live in a small society of nomads who grow their own vegetables and look after one another and are happy if you want your kids to grow up happy. dont tell me it doesnt happen, you just dont hear about it because 99% of people are stuck on this carasol of brainwashing and being controlled by other people. if you were to live life fully throwing yourself out there to help other people nomatter the cost to yourself, then that is reckless and dumb and can hurt people who love and depend on you, but it is not brainwashing. it is being as free and honest as a person can be.
I can't argue against that fact, since modern society has pretty much dictated to the majority that you should get a job to pay for your life and your family. However, I'm sure being free and honest is different for everyone. Your definition seem to coincide with the free spirits, from Christopher McCandless to Richard Branson. I, on the other hand, believe a free and honest life is working to provide a happy life for my family.
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On October 18 2011 12:01 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:59 DarthXX wrote:On October 18 2011 11:58 Phybur wrote:On October 18 2011 11:55 lariat wrote:
Everyone who claims that this is inhumane is incredibly naive and oblivious to scientific fact. Psychological studies have dictated that, when confronted with a crisis situation, inaction is the rule, not the exception. Don't hate people for doing this, or act snobbishly. They--and you--are only human. wrong. in the early 90s I was witness to a fatal motorcycle crash and 2 fatal car crash incidents. time stopped during all 3 of these events for everyone. it seemed like everyone got out of there cars and rushed over to help/call the authorities using PAY PHONES. I dont know what is going in this day and age...but something is backwards Anecdotal evidence always holds up well in any form of argument, /sarcasm. Exactly what I thought :S.
Generally the use of anecdotal evidence to discredit rigorous scientific inquiry does not result in a very compelling argument.
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On October 18 2011 12:00 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:57 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:54 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:50 TheAntZ wrote:On October 18 2011 11:44 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:38 TheAntZ wrote:On October 18 2011 11:28 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:25 TheAntZ wrote:On October 18 2011 11:20 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:16 TOloseGT wrote:
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Uh, you're right that we can think for ourselves, and that's exactly what some of us are doing. While there are people who risk their livelihood for a stranger, there are others who weigh the pros and cons. I'd be more inclined to say that the people who rush into everything without a thought are the ones who haven't evolved past primal instinct. The ones calculating the odds are the ones who are actually using their brains. Again, you only say that cause you've lived a sheltered life, and quiet honestly since we're on this forum, bad at computer games. When someone is about to jump you in the street good luck weighting pros and cons. What the fuck, this shit disgusts me. You just take a fucking seat on your high horse and look down at everyone who doesnt agree with you, calling them 'sheltered' or even 'scum' what the fuck is wrong with you? You have NO fucking idea what kind of life chinese people have to live. You dont understand that kind of fear being bred and festering in a corrupt environment for years. What the FUCK gives you the right to judge when you never have and probably never WILL be in that exact situation? lol. I've lived in belarus for half my life. I understand that shit better then you. I've lived my entire life here in bangladesh, a third world country where law is more for show than use. Trust me, i understand what its like being raised and told from a young age to fear something and avoid it. Maybe not the same things the chinese have learned to fear, but i understand the situation of accepting atrocities as something that WILL happen to you if you dont react a certain way and defend yourself from it. You seem too idealistic to have grown up in a place where 1 mistake could mean you or your family are fucked for life. I think there is no other way to live, especially in a place like that. When you have nothing, you only have your humanity to live with.
Fucking hell don't walk away, let them try to prove that it's your boots have a tire pattern on them.
And its this kinda naive shit that makes me think that How is it naive. If they give a fuck about the granny that got knocked over clearly their law system is way more advanced then the one in bangladesh or belarus. If that's not true, by all means, i did mention the option to walk away. Thats the thing, its not that you have nothing, but that you could lose everything, not just for yourself but for your family. I think if noones relying on you to keep them alive and support them, and the only reason you arent helping someone is that you are watching out for your own hide, thats pretty scummy. Still logical, but scummy. But I dont think its scummy to value your families lives above those of strangers. Though you do bring up a good point about helping and just walking away, theres still the risk of getting caught in the process by the authorities, and being framed. Everything? What was everything? People was everything. You had nothing. People talking about their families and shit. By making it about them you make them murders. Go home tell your wife or your mother you walked away from a dying girl because of her? I dunno about your scumbag families but mine would denounce me for making them part to this atrocity. Cool your steam man, we obviously have different priorities, you have your duties to to that girl, I have duties to make sure my family has food on the table. Hey honestly if it came down to it, I'd do the shadiest things behind my family's back to make sure they're fed, clothed, and sheltered. you'd do this to get a peace of mind for yourself, not for them. That's what families are for, getting together through tough times. Sometimes you gotta be more then yourself. Sometimes you have to put yourself in the shoes of the girl, her family, your family. What would they collectively want? Hell if i went all my life hungry and knew that my father was a hero and saved a life? I'll be damned if it's not worth it.
If I am responsible for getting my family through tough times, I've fucked up majorly. Whether I am a god a devil a business man a murderer or a serial killer, the next generation doesn't need to know that, All they need is to be clothed, fed, sheltered, educated and loved.
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I really want to throw up.
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On October 18 2011 11:57 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:54 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:50 TheAntZ wrote:On October 18 2011 11:44 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:38 TheAntZ wrote:On October 18 2011 11:28 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:25 TheAntZ wrote:On October 18 2011 11:20 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:16 TOloseGT wrote:On October 18 2011 11:12 FFGenerations wrote:[quote] + Show Spoiler +so do you smoke? do you wear lights when you walk in the evening? do you drink alcohol? do you go to gym every other day and eat a perfect diet? do you keep your kid on a leash so she doesnt wander off (americans do this)?
at the end of the day people will do whatever they do, but you need to keep your choices in perspective with one another and recognise irregularities so you can move towards a well-defined set of values rather than letting yourself be brainwashed day upon day based on retarded things like "in 2006 this one time this one judge made this call that i completely disagree with and so do most people but im still gonna go along with it"
its PATHETIC how people let themselves be lead up one street and then the other . you should know what values you believe in and adhere to it. otherwise what worth and integrity do you have? you really are a sheep or a poodle of anyone and everyone around you. you are just a lump of meat taking consolation in your tiny little corner in the world until you die or until your situation forces change, upon which you latch like a leech upon the next control that is set on your head like a collar by some other man
i was actually wrong in my last post to some extent. when we were cave men we had a very social and solidarity lifestyle but, of course, we raped and murdered the shit out of other tribes whenever they came near and then wore their severed heads as relics.
so the same shit happens between nations, it happens between ethnicity, religion, it happens between people who live on one side of a rock and the other, it happens between individuals.
but it is not something we should be advocating after fucking 1 million years of social evolution. we are unique in that we can make our own CHOICE and recognise when we are brainwashed by others and recognised when we are brainwashed by our own emotional state.
that is why millions of people every day say GO FUCK YOURSELF to these dumb fake values and age-old idiocies that we still believe in as if they are the fucking perfect resolution for our confusing lives.
Uh, you're right that we can think for ourselves, and that's exactly what some of us are doing. While there are people who risk their livelihood for a stranger, there are others who weigh the pros and cons. I'd be more inclined to say that the people who rush into everything without a thought are the ones who haven't evolved past primal instinct. The ones calculating the odds are the ones who are actually using their brains. Again, you only say that cause you've lived a sheltered life, and quiet honestly since we're on this forum, bad at computer games. When someone is about to jump you in the street good luck weighting pros and cons. What the fuck, this shit disgusts me. You just take a fucking seat on your high horse and look down at everyone who doesnt agree with you, calling them 'sheltered' or even 'scum' what the fuck is wrong with you? You have NO fucking idea what kind of life chinese people have to live. You dont understand that kind of fear being bred and festering in a corrupt environment for years. What the FUCK gives you the right to judge when you never have and probably never WILL be in that exact situation? lol. I've lived in belarus for half my life. I understand that shit better then you. I've lived my entire life here in bangladesh, a third world country where law is more for show than use. Trust me, i understand what its like being raised and told from a young age to fear something and avoid it. Maybe not the same things the chinese have learned to fear, but i understand the situation of accepting atrocities as something that WILL happen to you if you dont react a certain way and defend yourself from it. You seem too idealistic to have grown up in a place where 1 mistake could mean you or your family are fucked for life. I think there is no other way to live, especially in a place like that. When you have nothing, you only have your humanity to live with.
Fucking hell don't walk away, let them try to prove that it's your boots have a tire pattern on them.
And its this kinda naive shit that makes me think that How is it naive. If they give a fuck about the granny that got knocked over clearly their law system is way more advanced then the one in bangladesh or belarus. If that's not true, by all means, i did mention the option to walk away. Thats the thing, its not that you have nothing, but that you could lose everything, not just for yourself but for your family. I think if noones relying on you to keep them alive and support them, and the only reason you arent helping someone is that you are watching out for your own hide, thats pretty scummy. Still logical, but scummy. But I dont think its scummy to value your families lives above those of strangers. Though you do bring up a good point about helping and just walking away, theres still the risk of getting caught in the process by the authorities, and being framed. Everything? What was everything? People was everything. You had nothing. People talking about their families and shit. By making it about them you make them murders. Go home tell your wife or your mother you walked away from a dying girl because of her? I dunno about your scumbag families but mine would denounce me for making them part to this atrocity. Cool your steam man, we obviously have different priorities, you have your duties to to that girl, I have duties to make sure my family has food on the table. Hey honestly if it came down to it, I'd do the shadiest things behind my family's back to make sure they're fed, clothed, and sheltered.
You just don't get it, in first world countries people look out for each other, within reason(people who fuck themselves over by doing stupid things are not my problem), in third world countries or lawless areas such as remote countrysides people only look out for their family. If this was the middle ages I would agree with you, but it isn't, the world evolved, you didn't.
I'm done with this thread, you can continue justifying yourself if you want.
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say, if i were to help in this scenario by calling the paramedics and stopping the cars on path (without moving her), how da hell did i reasonably cause or worsen it for yueyue hence get eventually sued.
are chinese people stupid? there were ways to help the girl, yet they are just using 06 case as a shield.
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On October 18 2011 11:59 TheAntZ wrote:
By everything, I mean the things people need to survive. A supply of food and clean water, shelter and clothes.
And yet again you are judging others because you and your family dont think that way. Because you cant comprehend it, since you've never been in a situation even close to that shit. You're calling out people for acting a certain way in a certain situation, but if you were in that situation, or a different situation with a similar threat looming over it, how would you react?
You say you'd be a fucking hero, we have only your word for that. Even YOU dont fucking know how you'd act then. You can sit there high and mighty as fuck and say you know you'd be clark kent, because you think you would, but its never happened yet, so you cant say that as if it were fact.
i've never saved a dying toddler, no.
But i've been in extreme situations plenty of times. And i don't think its heroism to even get into a fight to save someone. I think it's a duty.
And fucking calling 911 when there is noone out there pointing a gun at you?
How the fuck is that heroism?
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On October 18 2011 12:03 Xinliben wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:57 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:54 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:50 TheAntZ wrote:On October 18 2011 11:44 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:38 TheAntZ wrote:On October 18 2011 11:28 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:25 TheAntZ wrote:On October 18 2011 11:20 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 18 2011 11:16 TOloseGT wrote:
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Uh, you're right that we can think for ourselves, and that's exactly what some of us are doing. While there are people who risk their livelihood for a stranger, there are others who weigh the pros and cons. I'd be more inclined to say that the people who rush into everything without a thought are the ones who haven't evolved past primal instinct. The ones calculating the odds are the ones who are actually using their brains. Again, you only say that cause you've lived a sheltered life, and quiet honestly since we're on this forum, bad at computer games. When someone is about to jump you in the street good luck weighting pros and cons. What the fuck, this shit disgusts me. You just take a fucking seat on your high horse and look down at everyone who doesnt agree with you, calling them 'sheltered' or even 'scum' what the fuck is wrong with you? You have NO fucking idea what kind of life chinese people have to live. You dont understand that kind of fear being bred and festering in a corrupt environment for years. What the FUCK gives you the right to judge when you never have and probably never WILL be in that exact situation? lol. I've lived in belarus for half my life. I understand that shit better then you. I've lived my entire life here in bangladesh, a third world country where law is more for show than use. Trust me, i understand what its like being raised and told from a young age to fear something and avoid it. Maybe not the same things the chinese have learned to fear, but i understand the situation of accepting atrocities as something that WILL happen to you if you dont react a certain way and defend yourself from it. You seem too idealistic to have grown up in a place where 1 mistake could mean you or your family are fucked for life. I think there is no other way to live, especially in a place like that. When you have nothing, you only have your humanity to live with.
Fucking hell don't walk away, let them try to prove that it's your boots have a tire pattern on them.
And its this kinda naive shit that makes me think that How is it naive. If they give a fuck about the granny that got knocked over clearly their law system is way more advanced then the one in bangladesh or belarus. If that's not true, by all means, i did mention the option to walk away. Thats the thing, its not that you have nothing, but that you could lose everything, not just for yourself but for your family. I think if noones relying on you to keep them alive and support them, and the only reason you arent helping someone is that you are watching out for your own hide, thats pretty scummy. Still logical, but scummy. But I dont think its scummy to value your families lives above those of strangers. Though you do bring up a good point about helping and just walking away, theres still the risk of getting caught in the process by the authorities, and being framed. Everything? What was everything? People was everything. You had nothing. People talking about their families and shit. By making it about them you make them murders. Go home tell your wife or your mother you walked away from a dying girl because of her? I dunno about your scumbag families but mine would denounce me for making them part to this atrocity. Cool your steam man, we obviously have different priorities, you have your duties to to that girl, I have duties to make sure my family has food on the table. Hey honestly if it came down to it, I'd do the shadiest things behind my family's back to make sure they're fed, clothed, and sheltered. You just don't get it, in first world countries people look out for each other, within reason(people who fuck themselves over by doing stupid things are not my problem), in third world countries or lawless areas such as remote countrysides people only look out for their family. If this was the middle ages I would agree with you, but it isn't, the world evolved, you didn't.
Look around you and think for a fe minutes about what you just said, and them post again
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On October 18 2011 12:02 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 11:58 arbitrageur wrote:On October 18 2011 11:55 Caller wrote:On October 18 2011 11:53 arbitrageur wrote:On October 18 2011 11:50 Caller wrote:On October 18 2011 11:49 arbitrageur wrote:On October 18 2011 11:34 Blasterion wrote:On October 18 2011 11:31 bkrow wrote:On October 18 2011 11:27 T0fuuu wrote:
Right. I'll remember how cultured and civilised the Americans are then next time yet another video of US troops executing civilians comes out and then blame it on American culture/Law and capitalism and all that stuff.
Horrifying yeah but get over it. If someone got hit by a truck, their guts open and their legs smashed, mouth gaping like a gold fish as they choke on their own blood, I somehow doubt I would go hero mode and pull them away. People dont like death and blood and will avoid it whenever they can. Way to generalise absolutely every concept possible that is related to this topic and add a little bit of "US hate" to it as well. Why characterise an ENTIRE nation of people based on the actions of their military during war time? I am not even American and your post offends me. It is this EXACT attitude that is the problem; human life should be the number 1 priority; full stop. It's funny how you foreigners do the same to us all the time, but we aren't allowed to say the same to you. Generalization of the characteristics of a subset of a population to represent the entire population. Typical moron. Generalization of a single post to represent the entire person. Typical moron indeed, good sir. All I did was say what he did (generalize), then claim that he's a moron according to my definition of what constitutes a moron. I made no such generalization that you've claimed I've made, unless you're employing a definition of "generalization" that I've never encountered before. If this is the case, I would like you to present this definition, otherwise I'll discard your criticism. You generalized his statement as being a generalization. Good sir. You still haven't provided your definition of what constitutes a generalization. I've ASSERTED that his statement is a generalization. I've also CATEGORIZED his statement into that which can be considered an attempt at generalization. But I don't understand what it means to "generalize his statement as being a generalization". let me try this in your local dialect: G'day mate. He made a statement about foreigners. You generalized that statement as being a normal generalization.
You're still not making any sense, I'm sorry. Since I can't understand your criticism and you insist on repeating the same sentence that I've made clear that I'm not understanding, I'm going to discard your criticism. Thank you.
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